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Post by MrElijah on Feb 19, 2023 11:03:11 GMT -5
The obsession with people trying to act like Cody is 2014 Batista is f***ing wild. It looks like it is going to become the AEW equivalent of y'all get real weird when TK/Britt does anything Yeah, this whole Sami/Cody thing is odd. Don't get me wrong if people prefer Sami, more power to them but this one of those moments where's there's 2 hot challengers to the throne and people want to see the bad guy lose.
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Post by Cvslfc123 on Feb 19, 2023 11:07:37 GMT -5
It was an amazing match, I was on the edge of my seat. I won't be as invested when the entitled one wins the titles at Mania.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Feb 19, 2023 11:13:45 GMT -5
This match proved again for the 821st time that Kevin Owens is the worst friend or ally anyone could hope for. Him only coming out to help Sami after he already lost was because he could not stomach the thought of Sami and not him removing Roman Reigns from the Island of Relevancy. Sami stood literally beside them while the Bloodline beat the absolute dogshit of KO. It’s 100% within Owens’ character that he’d let Sami get his ass beat for awhile and then stop it when he feels they’re taking it too far
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Post by msc on Feb 19, 2023 11:17:09 GMT -5
In AEW, Cody Rhodes was HHH. Long winding promos and matches that had no connection to anything, acting like a heel yet being a face, alienating crowds and so on.
In WWE, Cody Rhodes is the guy the crowds WANTED to be a main eventer in 2013-14, only he got given a crap gimmick and then had to leave the WWE and wrestle elsewhere. There's no Batista. To your average WWE crowd, Cody and Sami are both guys "held down by the man" they want to see win the big one.
And I'm increasingly of the belief both will do it this year now.
Even if I'd be tempted to hold off Sami's big win for the annual "at Mania X/XX/XXX/40 a huge smark favourite finally wins the big one on the big stage" setting. But then I guess Bryan re-won the belt, so having Sami beat Reigns only to be screwed and his vengeance being the main story for Mania 40 is very possible too.
WWE hasn't looked this promising since Batista did jazz hands for the first time and everyone realised he was awesome.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 19, 2023 11:20:14 GMT -5
It looks like it is going to become the AEW equivalent of y'all get real weird when TK/Britt does anything Yeah, this whole Sami/Cody thing is odd. Don't get me wrong if people prefer Sami, more power to them but this one of those moments where's there's 2 hot challengers to the throne and people want to see the bad guy lose. Sami main eventing in Montreal should not be taken lightly. That shows how far he has gone up the card and this is something Roman was asking for last year so you know if it comes down to it he would love to repay the favor at some point Tho as I said before, Cody needs to beat Roman for the title while Sami does not. Sami/Roman goes beyond the title right now, he just needs a W at some point.
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Post by jhbboy198917 on Feb 19, 2023 11:22:26 GMT -5
GUNTHER as either WWE or Universal champion vs Sami Zayn WM next year
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 19, 2023 11:22:28 GMT -5
In AEW, Cody Rhodes was HHH. Long winding promos and matches that had no connection to anything, acting like a heel yet being a face, alienating crowds and so on. In WWE, Cody Rhodes is the guy the crowds WANTED to be a main eventer in 2013-14, only he got given a crap gimmick and then had to leave the WWE and wrestle elsewhere. There's no Batista. To your average WWE crowd, Cody and Sami are both guys "held down by the man" they want to see win the big one. And I'm increasingly of the belief both will do it this year now. Even if I'd be tempted to hold off Sami's big win for the annual "at Mania X/XX/XXX/40 a huge smark favourite finally wins the big one on the big stage" setting. But then I guess Bryan re-won the belt, so having Sami beat Reigns only to be screwed and his vengeance being the main story for Mania 40 is very possible too. WWE hasn't looked this promising since Batista did jazz hands for the first time and everyone realised he was awesome. When/if Cody wins both titles I think highly possible he drops the Universal title to GUNTHER who holds it for a few months. GUNTHER can perfectly step into that final boss character that Roman would leave vacant
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Post by msc on Feb 19, 2023 11:24:29 GMT -5
In AEW, Cody Rhodes was HHH. Long winding promos and matches that had no connection to anything, acting like a heel yet being a face, alienating crowds and so on. In WWE, Cody Rhodes is the guy the crowds WANTED to be a main eventer in 2013-14, only he got given a crap gimmick and then had to leave the WWE and wrestle elsewhere. There's no Batista. To your average WWE crowd, Cody and Sami are both guys "held down by the man" they want to see win the big one. And I'm increasingly of the belief both will do it this year now. Even if I'd be tempted to hold off Sami's big win for the annual "at Mania X/XX/XXX/40 a huge smark favourite finally wins the big one on the big stage" setting. But then I guess Bryan re-won the belt, so having Sami beat Reigns only to be screwed and his vengeance being the main story for Mania 40 is very possible too. WWE hasn't looked this promising since Batista did jazz hands for the first time and everyone realised he was awesome. When/if Cody wins both titles I think highly possible he drops the Universal title to GUNTHER who holds it for a few months. GUNTHER can perfectly step into that final boss character that Roman would leave vacant Gunther would be a great World champ too. We're overcome with top potential champions at the moment. It's a long way from "Might as well give Jack Swagger a title run".
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Feb 19, 2023 11:44:36 GMT -5
Yeah, this whole Sami/Cody thing is odd. Don't get me wrong if people prefer Sami, more power to them but this one of those moments where's there's 2 hot challengers to the throne and people want to see the bad guy lose. Sami main eventing in Montreal should not be taken lightly. That shows how far he has gone up the card and this is something Roman was asking for last year so you know if it comes down to it he would love to repay the favor at some point Tho as I said before, Cody needs to beat Roman for the title while Sami does not. Sami/Roman goes beyond the title right now, he just needs a W at some point. IMO, they should run this back at Backlash with Sami getting the win to send Roman on a deserved vacation.
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Post by coleslaw on Feb 19, 2023 11:48:12 GMT -5
I was honestly hyped to see Cody return, win the Rumble and dethrone Roman. And while I still want to see that, I can't deny I've been cooled off after the Sami feud. I understand the number of complications having Sami either win (or at least not definitively lose) would have caused, but damn, you really don't get very many opportunities like they had last night, and I think with those circumstances, changing plans could be warranted.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 19, 2023 11:53:09 GMT -5
Sami main eventing in Montreal should not be taken lightly. That shows how far he has gone up the card and this is something Roman was asking for last year so you know if it comes down to it he would love to repay the favor at some point Tho as I said before, Cody needs to beat Roman for the title while Sami does not. Sami/Roman goes beyond the title right now, he just needs a W at some point. IMO, they should run this back at Backlash with Sami getting the win to send Roman on a deserved vacation. I will say I think Jey deserves a win over Roman more than Sami so it will be tricky how they navigate this once Roman losses and how do you get to the point where those people he wronged can get their revenge
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Post by schma on Feb 19, 2023 11:54:15 GMT -5
While there was a great atmosphere and the crowd was into it, there was just some stuff that took me out of the match. The second the ref went down I knew an Uso was showing up. Also, they used the 'ref goes down and the challenger pins Roman to a count of 5 before realizing there's no ref' just last month with Kevin Owens. I haven't been watching regularly, so I don't know how long they've been doing this spot but I'm already tired of it. Does no one ever bring it up either? Everyone acts like he's unbeatable but he would have been beaten a few times if not for refs going down. What also bugged me was the second ref running down while Jimmy Uso was still interfering. He started to get out of the ring as the ref gets in and the ref just starts counting like nothing strange is happening. I get that it's a WWE trope that refs are idiots and blind except in rare circumstances but damn. I will say this though, there was one or two moments where I almost believed Sami might win and that's something.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Feb 19, 2023 12:03:54 GMT -5
IMO, they should run this back at Backlash with Sami getting the win to send Roman on a deserved vacation. I will say I think Jey deserves a win over Roman more than Sami so it will be tricky how they navigate this once Roman losses and how do you get to the point where those people he wronged can get their revenge Alternatively, the Backlash match w/Sami still happens and Roman still loses, and we get the true swansong at Money in the Bank with Jey vs. Roman happening there and Jey winning. You could even drag it out to Summerslam so it’ll be true full circle w/ Roman’s Bloodline run ending at where it kinda started three years ago.
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Post by avenger on Feb 19, 2023 12:07:45 GMT -5
IMO, they should run this back at Backlash with Sami getting the win to send Roman on a deserved vacation. I will say I think Jey deserves a win over Roman more than Sami so it will be tricky how they navigate this once Roman losses and how do you get to the point where those people he wronged can get their revenge Jey and/or Sami need the win over Roman, a lot more than Cody does. Cody is undisputedly a draw, quite probably the biggest draw in wrestling right now.. You have the greatest storyline in a long time, where you have the potential to take the guy that dethrones Roman to a new level. There's not a logical reason on earth why you'd say "nah, let's not bother creating a new star, give the rub to the one guy on the roster that's doesn't need it, who hasn't been involved with the storyline so far". It's like having Brock Lesnar being the one to break The Undertaker's streak, but without the excuse of Vince being booker anymore. And don't give me that splitting titles crap. Way to devalue both belts.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 19, 2023 12:10:39 GMT -5
I will say I think Jey deserves a win over Roman more than Sami so it will be tricky how they navigate this once Roman losses and how do you get to the point where those people he wronged can get their revenge Jey and/or Sami need the win over Roman, a lot more than Cody does. Cody is undisputedly a draw, quite probably the biggest draw in wrestling right now.. You have the greatest storyline in a long time, where you have the potential to take the guy that dethrones Roman to a new level. There's not a logical reason on earth why you'd say "nah, let's not bother creating a new star, give the rub to the one guy on the roster that's doesn't need it, who hasn't been involved with the storyline so far". It's like having Brock Lesnar being the one to break The Undertaker's streak, but without the excuse of Vince being booker anymore. And don't give me that splitting titles crap. Way to devalue both belts. No, they don't Cody needs to beat Roman for the title while Sami and Roman just need W's. That is the biggest difference
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Feb 19, 2023 12:16:16 GMT -5
Jey and/or Sami need the win over Roman, a lot more than Cody does. Cody is undisputedly a draw, quite probably the biggest draw in wrestling right now.. You have the greatest storyline in a long time, where you have the potential to take the guy that dethrones Roman to a new level. There's not a logical reason on earth why you'd say "nah, let's not bother creating a new star, give the rub to the one guy on the roster that's doesn't need it, who hasn't been involved with the storyline so far". It's like having Brock Lesnar being the one to break The Undertaker's streak, but without the excuse of Vince being booker anymore. And don't give me that splitting titles crap. Way to devalue both belts. No, they don't Cody needs to beat Roman for the title while Sami and Roman just need W's. That is the biggest difference This is pretty much it. Cody has been clear that he wants the titles. For Sami and Jey, just beating Roman and making him pay for his sins will be enough.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Feb 19, 2023 12:34:21 GMT -5
I will say I think Jey deserves a win over Roman more than Sami so it will be tricky how they navigate this once Roman losses and how do you get to the point where those people he wronged can get their revenge Jey and/or Sami need the win over Roman, a lot more than Cody does. Cody is undisputedly a draw, quite probably the biggest draw in wrestling right now.. You have the greatest storyline in a long time, where you have the potential to take the guy that dethrones Roman to a new level. There's not a logical reason on earth why you'd say "nah, let's not bother creating a new star, give the rub to the one guy on the roster that's doesn't need it, who hasn't been involved with the storyline so far". It's like having Brock Lesnar being the one to break The Undertaker's streak, but without the excuse of Vince being booker anymore. And don't give me that splitting titles crap. Way to devalue both belts. You're acknowledging that Cody's a draw but you're not acknowledging why he's drawing right now. People are invested in his story. What is his story? Winning the world title. Sami and Jey are both objectively stars coming out of this whole Bloodline thing. Hell, other than Roman, they're the two that have benefitted the most. They're about to go into WrestleMania where it's really, really likely they main event the first night. That's a huge deal. Not every star making moment needs to involve some dramatic triumph involving a world title. Sami and The Uso's are made after the last year's worth of work. Cody's still in the weird spot where if he DOESN'T win, I don't think people will invest as much. We've seen it happen with Drew, hell, there was a chance even Riddle had a shot at breaking out but losing to Roman and then his own personal transgressions kind of took him out. Cody needs it more. Sami and Jey are going to be more than fine.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Feb 19, 2023 12:38:05 GMT -5
I’ve never been a proponent of multiple world titles, but it sure would’ve come in handy.
Cody needs to win the title, but he’s got f*** all to do with this. There are like 3 guys I wanna see best Roman more than Cody, BUT also want Cody to get that belt.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Feb 19, 2023 12:42:18 GMT -5
I’ve never been a proponent of multiple world titles, but it sure would’ve come in handy. Cody needs to win the title, but he’s got f*** all to do with this. There are like 3 guys I wanna see best Roman more than Cody, BUT also want Cody to get that belt. You don’t waste all the pomp and circumstance with Cody just for him to lose to Roman Thanos.
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Post by ISO Mid Thigh Pull on Feb 19, 2023 12:44:40 GMT -5
Dude I swear to god there's no way to know if something in WWE went well or not better than if WrestlinGifs made a video about it 6 hours later. Dude would be my spiritual guide if I wasn't already watching everything.
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