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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 8, 2023 22:50:24 GMT -5
I was just legitimately curious, I wasn't being aggressive or anything I wasn't "doing one of the things I do" in asking a question, thank you for giving me an answer It was also a four day reign Then you really ought to reevaluate the way you quote people and question them, my friend. A laughing gif with no context is something I asked about what it added to the conversation, that was it man You explained it, and I thanked you for it, it was fair enough I didn't know what you were laughing at out of context and now it makes sense lol
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Post by ghost on Mar 8, 2023 22:57:08 GMT -5
Option 1: keep the title on Darby. Have Wardlow/Joe end their feud without the title involved. Have Hobbs absolutely massacre Darby to win the title. Option 2: Have the title go from Joe to Darby to Joe to Wardlow in a span of like 8 weeks. Have Wardlow drop the title 3 days after winning it. Have Hobbs win the title by looking like he was about to lose, get help from QT, and win the title without even a pinfall or submission. Khan made this WAY more complicated than it should have been, and literally none of those three (Joe, Wardlow, and Hobbs) came out looking better from it. This should have Hobbs' moment and it didn't have anywhere near the crowd buzz that usually comes with a homegrown talent winning their first title. You might also need to think about how much changed with Wardlow getting robbed They made the stipulation and then had the finish with QT with it being Falls Count Anywhere seemingly last minute, but it did all come together with what AEW set up before I also disagree that none of them have come out better for it. Darby had an amazing reign, Joe had killer matches and re-established himself, Wardlow won the war with Joe, and Hobbs got his first title win, even QT proved he would help Hobbs, he gave him his word Idk, I liked all of this, and I thought Hobbs got a good pop too Sure if Wardlow didn’t get robbed then maybe the match would have been booked differently (I would think) but Wardlow still would have lost the title and likely would have been heavily protected in defeat (which is the right call), so it still would have been a 3 day reign and Hobbs’ win still would have had some shenanigans involved. Don’t get me wrong, Joe/Darby matches were great and they both did repair some of the damage that bad booking did to the TNT title in the past but if this was their end game then I think they just over complicated it. Darby would have made Hobbs look like a killer. That type of win would have been far more memorable IMO than a tainted victory where it was implied that he was going to lose before he got help. Either way, keep Joe and especially Wardlow away from the title for now. Let Hobbs have a run with it, which I suspect he will, but you never know with the TNT title.
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 8, 2023 22:58:34 GMT -5
Option 1: keep the title on Darby. Have Wardlow/Joe end their feud without the title involved. Have Hobbs absolutely massacre Darby to win the title. Option 2: Have the title go from Joe to Darby to Joe to Wardlow in a span of like 8 weeks. Have Wardlow drop the title 3 days after winning it. Have Hobbs win the title by looking like he was about to lose, get help from QT, and win the title without even a pinfall or submission. Khan made this WAY more complicated than it should have been, and literally none of those three (Joe, Wardlow, and Hobbs) came out looking better from it. This should have Hobbs' moment and it didn't have anywhere near the crowd buzz that usually comes with a homegrown talent winning their first title. I was fine with Darby getting the short reign especially with the win being in the debut show of his hometown. And I'll still say Joe and Darby did a lot to repair the TNT title. But yes end of day I think you have Hobbs just beat Joe for the belt. Yeah, I don't have an issue with what happened, exactly, but if they wanted Wardlow and Joe to continue, just have Joe get frustrated against Hobbs and try to retreat for a count out, and then just have Wardlow block him on the entrance ramp long enough for Hobbs to chuck him back in the ring.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 8, 2023 23:01:09 GMT -5
You might also need to think about how much changed with Wardlow getting robbed They made the stipulation and then had the finish with QT with it being Falls Count Anywhere seemingly last minute, but it did all come together with what AEW set up before I also disagree that none of them have come out better for it. Darby had an amazing reign, Joe had killer matches and re-established himself, Wardlow won the war with Joe, and Hobbs got his first title win, even QT proved he would help Hobbs, he gave him his word Idk, I liked all of this, and I thought Hobbs got a good pop too Sure if Wardlow didn’t get robbed then maybe the match would have been booked differently (I would think) but Wardlow still would have lost the title and likely would have been heavily protected in defeat (which is the right call), so it still would have been a 3 day reign and Hobbs’ win still would have had some shenanigans involved. Don’t get me wrong, Joe/Darby matches were great and they both did repair some of the damage that bad booking did to the TNT title in the past but if this was their end game then I think they just over complicated it. Darby would have made Hobbs look like a killer. That type of win would have been far more memorable IMO than a tainted victory where it was implied that he was going to lose before he got help. Either way, keep Joe and especially Wardlow away from the title for now. Let Hobbs have a run with it, which I suspect he will, but you never know with the TNT title. I think it has to end with Wardlow getting a rematch, especially if QTV next week canonized that QT wrecked the car at least in a kayfabe universe But I think Wardlow can be out for a bit and Hobbs can get some title defenses in before they do that
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Post by Starshine on Mar 8, 2023 23:08:43 GMT -5
To be honest, I'm at a point where unless there's legitimate money to be made in anyone in particular holding a belt (typically the headlining one), I don't really give a shit about length of reigns, or whatever. That's just an arbitrary number that's used to try and prop up whatever's currently going on as having importance, which to me is a lazy crutch if the story isn't holding things together on it's own. Kayfabe stat obsession in pro wrestling is a straight up boring talking point.
I'm glad Hobbs is getting a push now, and I think with the weirdness that happened with Wardlow this week, him losing makes sense. What does it really matter that we've had a bunch of short title reigns so long as we still at least care it's happening? This isn't like the WWE where a lot of their champions have been historically booked with so little regard and care that it's sometimes hard enough to even remember, for example, who the US/IC Champion of the day is.
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Post by Chuck Conry on Mar 9, 2023 4:01:08 GMT -5
This reminds me of when Booker T, Rick Martel, Saturn and the likes where all switching the WCW TV title pretty random and rapidly. I'm not sure it's a good thing overall but at least unlike with the main belt, you are never too sure who's going to win it.
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Mar 9, 2023 4:55:06 GMT -5
Wait, where did that belt come from at the end?
I thought they said Wardlow didn’t have the physical belt with him. I was wondering “why don’t they just use a replica and not mention it if it’s not an angle?”
Also why was there pinfall attempts at the beginning but a ten count at the end. I swear I hear them say at certain points it was a falls count anywhere match but then I heard them say it was last man standing
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 9, 2023 5:09:57 GMT -5
Wait, where did that belt come from at the end? I thought they said Wardlow didn’t have the physical belt with him. I was wondering “why don’t they just use a replica and not mention it if it’s not an angle?” Also why was there pinfall attempts at the beginning but a ten count at the end. I swear I hear them say at certain points it was a falls count anywhere match but then I heard them say it was last man standing Falls Count Anywhere has a ten count for knockout purposes, just no ring countout, far as I've ever understood it. Wardlow could not answer the 10 My thought is QT is gonna be canoned as the one who robbed Wardlow's car as least in Kayfabe, and he had the TNT Title with him, my thought is maybe they thought the belt wasn't in shot, or he simply put it there and then got ready for the attack
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Post by Mid-Carder on Mar 9, 2023 5:24:19 GMT -5
I don't really know how I feel about this. I'm pleased for Hobbs but maybe it could have gone from Darby to Hobbs and skipped the Joe/Wardlow reigns in between? Joe and Wardlow could have continued to feud and now Hobbs could feud with Wardlow.
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 9, 2023 8:51:29 GMT -5
This reminds me of when Booker T, Rick Martel, Saturn and the likes where all switching the WCW TV title pretty random and rapidly. I'm not sure it's a good thing overall but at least unlike with the main belt, you are never too sure who's going to win it. Yeah, I don't want them to make a habit out of it, but if you're going to do it with one belt in the company, this is the one to do it with, really.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Mar 9, 2023 18:19:51 GMT -5
So per Will Washington on DAD Hobbs winning the TNT title on that specific Dynamite for 6 months
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 9, 2023 19:48:19 GMT -5
I am not sorry for the new title
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Post by THE FVNKER on Mar 9, 2023 19:52:10 GMT -5
Did NWA/WCW's TV title not have periods where it hot potato'ed around a little bit? The longer reigns are obviously needed but I don't see how this hurts it, or the guys involved at all. It's a sick way to put a little bit of shine on a lot of people. I'm almost to the point where I think the longer reigns should be reserved for feuds that end up with a lot of heat.
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 9, 2023 20:00:26 GMT -5
Did NWA/WCW's TV title not have periods where it hot potato'ed around a little bit? The longer reigns are obviously needed but I don't see how this hurts it, or the guys involved at all. It's a sick way to put a little bit of shine on a lot of people. I'm almost to the point where I think the longer reigns should be reserved for feuds that end up with a lot of heat. I mean, probably The IC title absolutely has had periods where it happened, like 1999 alone had Shamrock, Venis, Road Dogg, Goldust, Godfather, Jarrett multiple times, Edge, D'lo, Chyna, and Chris Jericho. Of particular note is Edge, Jarrett, and D'lo being IC champions within the span of 3-4 days. 2000 honestly wasn't super different, only being a little less chaotic with Jericho/Chyna as co-champions, Jericho as singular champion, Kurt Angle, Benoit, Rikishi, Venis, Chyna, Guerrero, and Billy Gunn, only counting the individual champions, not the reigns.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Mar 9, 2023 20:05:45 GMT -5
The TNT Title is so thotty it makes the Attitude Hardcore Belt look like a choir singer.
TNT Title goes up to the IWGP US Title and says “Bitch, let’s get in some trouble.”
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Mar 9, 2023 20:48:08 GMT -5
So per Will Washington on DAD Hobbs winning the TNT title on that specific Dynamite for 6 months It’s wild, cause Hobbs vs Joe really didn’t need the title at all, so Joe winning it from Darby was actually kinda lame in hindsight. Just have Joe go through a tear without the TNT title and try to beat up Darby, then Wardlow comes back for the big save and we get Joe vs Wardlow on the PPV. Boom, Wardlow gets some forward momentum, Joe can sling off to ROH after putting a young guy over, Darby gets a nice 3 month title run, and Hobbs can beat up the valiant never say die babyface for the title. And if you want QT to interfere still? It gets heat on him for cheating the red hot babyface Darby, and not the piss luke warm Wardlow looking like a dork.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 9, 2023 21:05:24 GMT -5
I am not sorry for the new title "The TNT Title got a weird ass Plate, B"
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Post by Kalmia on Mar 9, 2023 21:25:29 GMT -5
Wait, where did that belt come from at the end? I thought they said Wardlow didn’t have the physical belt with him. I was wondering “why don’t they just use a replica and not mention it if it’s not an angle?” Also why was there pinfall attempts at the beginning but a ten count at the end. I swear I hear them say at certain points it was a falls count anywhere match but then I heard them say it was last man standing There was a belt sitting on the announce table throughout the entire match. A perfectly convenient place considering where the match ended.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2023 21:28:59 GMT -5
First off - thread title made me legit giggle like a school girl
Otherwise... I don't mind secondary titles being passed around often because they really do seem like they want the TNT title to be the "Future main-event marker" title.
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Post by yokohamacpfc on Mar 9, 2023 22:11:36 GMT -5
Would say the International title is more like their IC title and the TNT is their Euro title (going by attitude era old money) at the moment.
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