WWE sale effect on AEW.

[KME]

Found Meltzer hilarious on this earlier. Sort of scoffed at the idea of it being a good thing for AEW, conceding that yes it may make talent in WWE unhappy with Vince back and that's good for them but that the "only thing" they had over WWE being the quality of the matches was gone now as WWE put on great matches at Mania (undoubtedly true), before then conceding that AEW's match quality is probably still better, that Wednesday will be far better than Raw was in ring and that at least one thing AEW will still have over WWE is the match quality. Top notch rambling and backtracking. Think he remembered halfway through what he was saying that if Vince is back in charge then cards like Mania probably won't be anything like the norm and cards like Raw probably will.

Think it could be a huge boost for AEW with Vince being hands on again, in terms of retaining existing talent that had thought about leaving, picking up talent that may want to leave WWE and free agents who were in two minds about where to go, as well as potentially taking some of WWE's momentum away right as AEW has a loaded card Wednesday and some hot storylines brewing.

[Glitch]

We're gonna have an interesting entrance by the Acclaimed. I'll say that for sure.

[This Player Hating Mothman]

Apr 4, 2023 18:25:29 GMT -5 Glitch said:

We're gonna have an interesting entrance by the Acclaimed. I'll say that for sure.

It's time for our traditional "something big went down" Acclaimed entrnace where Max comes out with the biggest grin on his face but they get jumped/cut off before he can go into it

[Lizuka #BLM]

For the idea that none of the people behind the scenes would care about how Cody's been booked, I mean, both Amanda Huber and Dustin do. And Dustin's certainly got enough experience in the industry to recognize a burial when he sees it.

[EvenBaldobombHasAJob]

Apr 3, 2023 9:09:34 GMT -5 Allie Kitsune said:

Improved chances of doing commercials for shady dick pills?

But enough about Ryback...

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Apr 4, 2023 18:45:55 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

For the idea that none of the people behind the scenes would care about how Cody's been booked, I mean, both Amanda Huber and Dustin do. And Dustin's certainly got enough experience in the industry to recognize a burial when he sees it.

This is what I point to when people are like "Cody's fine, don't worry, WWE has a plan"

His close friends and family sure don't think so and they're pissed, if they're angry about all this, I think we have a right to be too, and also have a right to believe this shit's going nowhere fast tbh

[spagett]

Vince being back in charge is undoubtedly a positive for AEW in my opinion. Surely guys who were thinking of maybe jumping ship to WWE or free agents choosing them over AEW will be second guessing that now.

Vince is a maniac with a very specific, weird , awful vision for what wrestling should be. His creative is out of date and terrible and unless you match his very specific idea of what a star looks like then you have no chance of a push.

And then even if you do match his idea of what a star looks like he still might not like you for whatever reason, maybe you're too European or you sneezed in front of him.

We've already seen reports of how morale has plummeted backstage since his return and the online discourse around WWE went from incredible positive on Mania night 1 to incredibly negative after Raw. I can see things getting even worse as Vince gets more and more of his odd demands on the shows.

[polarbearpete]

Apr 4, 2023 19:35:06 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Apr 4, 2023 18:45:55 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

For the idea that none of the people behind the scenes would care about how Cody's been booked, I mean, both Amanda Huber and Dustin do. And Dustin's certainly got enough experience in the industry to recognize a burial when he sees it.

This is what I point to when people are like "Cody's fine, don't worry, WWE has a plan"

His close friends and family sure don't think so and they're pissed, if they're angry about all this, I think we have a right to be too, and also have a right to believe this shit's going nowhere fast tbh

He’s not been buried. You know who else’s family was upset after a puzzling Mania main event decision? Roman’s family after WM31. Didn’t mean the company was giving up on Roman either, obviously.

[spagett]

Apr 4, 2023 19:52:42 GMT -5 polarbearpete said:

Apr 4, 2023 19:35:06 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

This is what I point to when people are like "Cody's fine, don't worry, WWE has a plan"

His close friends and family sure don't think so and they're pissed, if they're angry about all this, I think we have a right to be too, and also have a right to believe this shit's going nowhere fast tbh

He’s not been buried. You know who else’s family was upset after a puzzling Mania main event decision? Roman’s family after WM31. Didn’t mean the company was giving up on Roman either, obviously.

No but it took them another 5 years to get it right with him.

[polarbearpete]

Apr 4, 2023 20:00:02 GMT -5 spagett said:

Apr 4, 2023 19:52:42 GMT -5 polarbearpete said:

He’s not been buried. You know who else’s family was upset after a puzzling Mania main event decision? Roman’s family after WM31. Didn’t mean the company was giving up on Roman either, obviously.

No but it took them another 5 years to get it right with him.

Sure that’s a creative issue, not a burying issue. Some think that Cody will be fighting Dolph on the kickoff show by Summerslam.

[spagett]

Apr 4, 2023 20:03:41 GMT -5 polarbearpete said:

Apr 4, 2023 20:00:02 GMT -5 spagett said:

No but it took them another 5 years to get it right with him.

Sure that’s a creative issue, not a burying issue. Some think that Cody will be fighting Dolph on the kickoff show by Summerslam.

Yeah fair enough but I'm just saying we've a ton of evidence that you can fail even if Vince is genuinely trying to get you over. In fact if you're a babyface Vince will fail with you because he doesn't know how to book babyfaces anymore.

Look how hard they tried to get babyface Roman Reigns over for 6 or 7 years and it just never worked.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Apr 4, 2023 19:52:42 GMT -5 polarbearpete said:

Apr 4, 2023 19:35:06 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

This is what I point to when people are like "Cody's fine, don't worry, WWE has a plan"

His close friends and family sure don't think so and they're pissed, if they're angry about all this, I think we have a right to be too, and also have a right to believe this shit's going nowhere fast tbh

He’s not been buried. You know who else’s family was upset after a puzzling Mania main event decision? Roman’s family after WM31. Didn’t mean the company was giving up on Roman either, obviously.

Roman is not a good example to use when Roman's booking was shit for like 5 years before they actually got it right, and now they're screwing that up too with this agonizing title reign

And the company was so stubborn and bullheaded with Roman they weren't gonna give up on him out of sheer spite, I can't say they have the same investment in almost anyone else let alone Cody Rhodes to say they can make up for one of the worst booking decisions of recent memory if not period, and they certainly haven't calmed that narrative after RAW this week

I digress, you can have hope and optimism, I know that's what you do when it comes to WWE stuff and I respect it, but it doesn't mean everyone else is going to and that's been very apparent with the way WWE has done this... and I don't trust them to fix it, I don't trust them period anymore, especially if Vince is back at the helm.

[This Player Hating Mothman]

Apr 4, 2023 20:06:24 GMT -5 spagett said:

Apr 4, 2023 20:03:41 GMT -5 polarbearpete said:

Sure that’s a creative issue, not a burying issue. Some think that Cody will be fighting Dolph on the kickoff show by Summerslam.

Yeah fair enough but I'm just saying we've a ton of evidence that you can fail even if Vince is genuinely trying to get you over. In fact if you're a babyface Vince will fail with you because he doesn't know how to book babyfaces anymore.

Look how hard they tried to get babyface Roman Reigns over for 6 or 7 years and it just never worked.

The very sad reality of WWE is that Vince cares about more than it ever comes across to viewers. That's the problem. He's bad at doing stuff with shit he cares about. He cared about Bray Wyatt. Every awful middling Bray Ex Machina program where he teleprted into a cage and screwed someone out of a title was him being given important things to do by Vince thinking he was pushing him to new heights. Vince hand-f***ing-crafted the 'suffering succotash' line for Roman. We heard about the Mighty Mouse gimmick that Vince kept wanting to give dudes for literal years. Being someone Vince wants to push doesn't actually spare you from his worst decisions because he mangles and fumbles his pet projects as much as the guys he's barely tolerating.

[spagett]

Apr 4, 2023 20:12:29 GMT -5 This Player Hating Mothman said:

Apr 4, 2023 20:06:24 GMT -5 spagett said:

Yeah fair enough but I'm just saying we've a ton of evidence that you can fail even if Vince is genuinely trying to get you over. In fact if you're a babyface Vince will fail with you because he doesn't know how to book babyfaces anymore.

Look how hard they tried to get babyface Roman Reigns over for 6 or 7 years and it just never worked.

The very sad reality of WWE is that Vince cares about more than it ever comes across to viewers. That's the problem. He's bad at doing stuff with shit he cares about. He cared about Bray Wyatt. Every awful middling Bray Ex Machina program where he teleprted into a cage and screwed someone out of a title was him being given important things to do by Vince thinking he was pushing him to new heights. Vince hand-f***ing-crafted the 'suffering succotash' line for Roman. We heard about the Mighty Mouse gimmick that Vince kept wanting to give dudes for literal years. Being someone Vince wants to push doesn't actually spare you from his worst decisions because he mangles and fumbles his pet projects as much as the guys he's barely tolerating.

Exactly this.

You know what opened my eyes to it? The Moxley podcast with Jericho after he left WWE.

For years I thought Vince knew the product was shitty but he just didn't really care, but that podcast made me realise oh no, Vince genuinely thinks he's still a creative genius and his ideas are great.

Telling Mox that horrendous angle where he had to get flu jabs and vaccinations was "such good shit" and " so well written" when anyone with a brain could see it was some of the dirt worst TV they've ever produced. You could honestly argue it's sometimes just as bad for your career prospects if Vince likes you and takes an interest in your booking.

[Mozenrath]

Apr 4, 2023 20:16:34 GMT -5 spagett said:

Apr 4, 2023 20:12:29 GMT -5 This Player Hating Mothman said:

The very sad reality of WWE is that Vince cares about more than it ever comes across to viewers. That's the problem. He's bad at doing stuff with shit he cares about. He cared about Bray Wyatt. Every awful middling Bray Ex Machina program where he teleprted into a cage and screwed someone out of a title was him being given important things to do by Vince thinking he was pushing him to new heights. Vince hand-f***ing-crafted the 'suffering succotash' line for Roman. We heard about the Mighty Mouse gimmick that Vince kept wanting to give dudes for literal years. Being someone Vince wants to push doesn't actually spare you from his worst decisions because he mangles and fumbles his pet projects as much as the guys he's barely tolerating.

Exactly this.

You know what opened my eyes to it? The Moxley podcast with Jericho after he left WWE.

For years I thought Vince knew the product was shitty but he just didn't really care, but that podcast made me realise oh no, Vince genuinely thinks he's still a creative genius and his ideas are great.

Telling Mox that horrendous angle where he had to get flu jabs and vaccinations was "such good shit" and " so well written" when anyone with a brain could see it was some of the dirt worst TV they've ever produced. You could honestly argue it's sometimes just as bad for your career prospects if Vince likes you and takes an interest in your booking.

Kane got Katie Vick because Kane was Vince's favorite character. No, really, that is actually why.

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Apr 4, 2023 20:12:29 GMT -5 This Player Hating Mothman said:

Apr 4, 2023 20:06:24 GMT -5 spagett said:

Yeah fair enough but I'm just saying we've a ton of evidence that you can fail even if Vince is genuinely trying to get you over. In fact if you're a babyface Vince will fail with you because he doesn't know how to book babyfaces anymore.

Look how hard they tried to get babyface Roman Reigns over for 6 or 7 years and it just never worked.

The very sad reality of WWE is that Vince cares about more than it ever comes across to viewers. That's the problem. He's bad at doing stuff with shit he cares about. He cared about Bray Wyatt. Every awful middling Bray Ex Machina program where he teleprted into a cage and screwed someone out of a title was him being given important things to do by Vince thinking he was pushing him to new heights. Vince hand-f***ing-crafted the 'suffering succotash' line for Roman. We heard about the Mighty Mouse gimmick that Vince kept wanting to give dudes for literal years. Being someone Vince wants to push doesn't actually spare you from his worst decisions because he mangles and fumbles his pet projects as much as the guys he's barely tolerating.

Yuuuup.  You can be a micromanaging dictator if the results are worth it. 

They're just.. not, anymore.  Vince will literally "love" a gimmick or performer to booking death. 

[Lizuka #BLM]

Know who else Vince by all accounts was super high on? Lacey Evans, and his grand idea for her was having her walk to the ring every week for months on end, once she did actually do something she immediately lost three PPV title shots in a row, then she got in a go-nowhere feud with Natalya that lasted for months, then she turned back and forth between face and heel every week, then when she did finally get over as a face he jobbed her out to Bayley for months on end.

Vince loving you is its own kind of death sentence.

[ghost]

Vince being back is definitely a positive for AEW. It will make AEW talent at least pause about leaving, and may create more opportunity for disgruntled/released WWE talent coming over. Beyond that it won’t make any difference to their business but that in itself is pretty significant.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Apr 4, 2023 20:32:28 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

Know who else Vince by all accounts was super high on? Lacey Evans, and his grand idea for her was having her walk to the ring every week for months on end, once she did actually do something she immediately lost three PPV title shots in a row, then she got in a go-nowhere feud with Natalya that lasted for months, then she turned back and forth between face and heel every week, then when she did finally get over as a face he jobbed her out to Bayley for months on end.

Vince loving you is its own kind of death sentence.

He also apparently really loved Keith Lee and he sure had a weird way of showing it...

[Lizuka #BLM]

Apr 4, 2023 21:41:27 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Apr 4, 2023 20:32:28 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

Know who else Vince by all accounts was super high on? Lacey Evans, and his grand idea for her was having her walk to the ring every week for months on end, once she did actually do something she immediately lost three PPV title shots in a row, then she got in a go-nowhere feud with Natalya that lasted for months, then she turned back and forth between face and heel every week, then when she did finally get over as a face he jobbed her out to Bayley for months on end.

Vince loving you is its own kind of death sentence.

He also apparently really loved Keith Lee and he sure had a weird way of showing it...

Gotta make some changes and fire you.