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Post by Lance Uppercut on Apr 12, 2023 14:50:06 GMT -5
"It's all more about the glitz, the introduction and going out to the ring and going on a ramp, lights and fireworks. All that's great and I love all that stuff too and it's almost like a different world than the wrestling that my dad used to put on.
It was very black and white in the sense it was just good guys and bad guys. I just think the old kind of wrestling is sorely missed by a lot of people. It's like, you know, if the old wrestling was around, like my dad's wrestling, we'd come see it kind of thing.
I'm trying to advise my son Dallas and help him deliver the kind of wrestling show that I would enjoy watching more, you know, where the wrestler actually knows what a headlock is rather than sort of doing this scripted ballet of leaping and twirling and dancing around like a bunch of ballet dancers.
I don't really enjoy today's wrestling for those reasons. They've lost a lot of steps towards the reality or credibility of wrestling.
Wrestling always, in my opinion, needs to pretend to be real. It needs to pretend really hard to be real, always has pretended really hard almost to the point that you believe it is real. I think wrestling is so far-fetched today.
When I think of WWE, for example, and I see 20 wrestlers crowd together outside on the floor of the ring and some guy runs over and dives over the top rope and knocks them all down like bowling pins, I really roll my eyes at how pathetic wrestling is today.
From top to bottom, all the top wrestlers and all the middle and bottom wrestlers in WWE and AEW all slapping on their legs on every punch and every slap, it's to the point now where I can't watch wrestling today.
Sadly, it's getting too phony. I really question the direction that the people that are in charge."
- Bret Hart on HN Live
Man I know most people love No filter Bret hart but he sounding more and more like Jim Cornette these days with anger about how wrestling used to be
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Post by john84 on Apr 12, 2023 14:59:18 GMT -5
Least Bret hasn't started making comments about the Japanese wrestlers in the same way that Cornette does.
My only real issue with what Bret said there is about ''pretend to be real'' thing because that horse bolted years, well decades ago now, ago.
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Post by Doo Doo Dickhead on Apr 12, 2023 15:04:20 GMT -5
For the most part, I'm fine with where wrestling's at right now. I agree with him about the spot where the wrestlers fall down like bowling pins, though... that shit's so stupid. I've never noticed the leg slapping people talk about, so it's never bothered me.
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Post by dirtyoldman on Apr 12, 2023 15:05:12 GMT -5
I guess if you grew up on wrestling in the 70s and then saw the current product which in comparison looks like a rock n roll light show circus, then it probably is worlds away from what you knew.
But like they say, nostalgia ain't what it used to be
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Apr 12, 2023 15:07:35 GMT -5
Least Bret hasn't started making comments about the Japanese wrestlers in the same way that Cornette does. My only real issue with what Bret said there is about ''pretend to be real'' thing because that horse bolted years, well decades ago now, ago. Oh Bret probably enjoying the quality of female Japanese wrestlers these days for many a reason :-)
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Post by john84 on Apr 12, 2023 15:07:55 GMT -5
For the most part, I'm fine with where wrestling's at right now. I agree with him about the spot where the wrestlers fall down like bowling pins, though... that shit's so stupid. I've never noticed the leg slapping people talk about, so it's never bothered me. Once in a blue moon I used to catch Sheamus doing it lol but it's so rare that it doesn't bother me. The bowling pins, I get, but again that doesn't really bother me personally. Like you, I'm mostly fine with where wrestling is right now. I just hope Dallas is man enough to not go with EVERY suggestion that his Dad makes and isn't just trying to make his wrestling show to please his old man lol.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Apr 12, 2023 15:08:05 GMT -5
Bret, my dude, you were WWF champion and having feuds with such luminaries as Jean Pierre Lafitte and The Repo Man.
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Post by john84 on Apr 12, 2023 15:08:48 GMT -5
Least Bret hasn't started making comments about the Japanese wrestlers in the same way that Cornette does. My only real issue with what Bret said there is about ''pretend to be real'' thing because that horse bolted years, well decades ago now, ago. Oh Bret probably enjoying the quality of female Japanese these days for many a reason Ah yes, but at least he always talked about hot they were (probably to massage his already massive ego lol)
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Apr 12, 2023 15:09:19 GMT -5
When Bret was wrestling the business was a lot more protected then it was now. So it was more important for it to look real. And I don't get me wrong it should still be important. Making it look as real as possible while at the same time not hurting the guy is the purpose. However at the same time the cat has been let of out of the bag for years. Everyone knows it isn't real and at the same time as far as the fans go I don't think they really care either. They just want to be entertained and they have their favorites who they root for and want to win and others who they don't like and feel need to be knocked down a few pegs. That's something that has never changed about the business.
I mean yeah there's some instances where criticism is warranted (the Top Dolla spot comes to mind where in that case that was one of the bowling pin spots Bret was referring to do where the "pins" fell down despite not even being hit) but for the most part it just comes off as grumpy old dude complaining for the sake of complaining because it's different from how it was in his day. I'm at the point where it's like if you want to watch something real then go watch UFC and stop being a buzzkill.
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Post by Venti on Apr 12, 2023 15:09:27 GMT -5
Funny thing is, I never noticed leg slapping until wrestlers started openly complaining about it..
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Post by Cyno on Apr 12, 2023 15:15:09 GMT -5
FTR introduces a new catchphrase: No Slaps, Just Graps.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Apr 12, 2023 15:33:54 GMT -5
As far as the leg slaps goes wasn't there a brief period a few years ago where WWE was banning leg slaps and then like a week later Shayna Baszler knocked a bunch of Asuka's teeth out and then not long after you were seeing people doing them all the time again?
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Apr 12, 2023 15:39:30 GMT -5
Tell us how you really feel.
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Post by tafkaga on Apr 12, 2023 15:45:20 GMT -5
What was Bret's dad's style of wrestling? Dudes in black tights rolling around for an hour? Bret is saying that there are people who miss that? Who misses that? Is there an untapped market of 70 year old dudes who are nostalgic for Stu Hart and Verne Gagne matches? I agree with Bret and Cornette in a lot of their rantings about booking logic and working harder at creating the illusion, but this seems to be a stretch.
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Post by Jaws the Shark on Apr 12, 2023 15:46:03 GMT -5
Least Bret hasn't started making comments about the Japanese wrestlers in the same way that Cornette does. Even though he's gone a bit "old man yells at cloud" here, I'd like to think he at least respects the people involved even if he doesn't enjoy what they're doing. He's had the decency to not go after individual wrestlers here, at least.
Ironically, a lot of these wrestlers probably venerate him and various other Dungeon/Stampede alumni, because in a lot of ways Owen Hart and the Dynamite Kid and Brian Pillman kind of started this modern style
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 12, 2023 15:52:21 GMT -5
I remember OSW Reviews saying that Bret's best promos are when his character had something to whine about, and speculated that was a bit of his actual personality.
Yeah, yeah it is.
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Post by john84 on Apr 12, 2023 15:56:44 GMT -5
I remember OSW Reviews saying that Bret's best promos are when his character had something to whine about, and speculated that was a bit of his actual personality. Yeah, yeah it is. Me to OSW
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Post by salz4life on Apr 12, 2023 16:00:51 GMT -5
There are some things he says that I agree with... however, Bret, the old way is not coming back. A big reason for that is the internet. Kayfabe, for better or worse, is dead. They try to keep some semblance of it sometimes, but it just can't go back to how it used to be.
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Post by thecrusherwi on Apr 12, 2023 16:07:42 GMT -5
"Wrestling always, in my opinion, needs to pretend to be real. It needs to pretend really hard to be real, always has pretended really hard almost to the point that you believe it is real. I think wrestling is so far-fetched today."
This I agree with. I think they could tighten up that aspect of wrestling today. Particularly in the matches. And I'm sure guys who wrestled in the 60s and 70s probably thought the same of the 80s and 90s, but it doesn't make that criticism invalid. It's not about adhering to kayfabe out of the ring. It's about trying to put on a coherent match. It is much harder for me watching modern wrestling to let myself believe that the people I see in the ring are competitors trying their hardest to win the match they are in and that the moves happening are important in deciding who that winner will be. So much of the modern style that's taken over wrestling the last 10-15 years relies almost exclusively on near falls for drama. The drama is in the kickout, not in working towards certain moves and hitting that move being the climax of the match. You end up having many similar looking matches where a bunch of moves happen without much connection to one another and eventually someone hits a move that their opponent doesn't kick out off. Nothing preceding it seemed to matter in sequence or severity. It's like watching a poorly made RPG game where people trade attacks until someone's life bar runs out.
I can see the appeal of the modern style, but I personally do not enjoy it as much as the older style. And that is not nostalgia. Most of the non-WWF 80s stuff I did not see for the first time until I was in my 20s or 30s and I much prefer watching that to what is available today. In the moments, I find modern wrestling interesting because the high spots are fun. But once I know the winner, there is almost no rewatch appeal to me compared to matches in the 80s and 90s.
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Post by Jacy Jayne Atomic Dog AMV on Apr 12, 2023 16:08:03 GMT -5
YOUR DAD PROBABLY BOOKED DUDES TO TAKE A DOUBLE AXE HANDLE AND GO IN TO AN INSTANT DEATH COMA
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