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Post by THE FVNKER on Jun 6, 2023 20:06:25 GMT -5
Was just watching a video going in depth on Sting's "Crow" gimmick, and it made me think of this.
The whole backstory of Starrcade '97 is super tired so I'm not even gonna go in to my opinions on the angle itself.
It just made me wonder, how much more business they could've gotten if everything went as planned. They could have probably gotten three more giant PPV matches out of Sting/Hogan which would've obviously been insane for ticket and merch sales, and even more insane for both the guys, leading to better money for everyone else too.
Hogan being such a shrewd businessman, this always made me scratch my head.
Also I'll add, I don't necessarily mean just bad angles, we all know those, rather angles that if they were executed better/correctly it would've been huge financially.
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Post by cassonova on Jun 6, 2023 20:58:37 GMT -5
One word: InVasion
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Jun 6, 2023 21:31:35 GMT -5
The Invasion angle on paper started with the biggest non-Wrestlemania PPV buyrate ever and ended with the biggest Survivor Series buyrate ever. Yet it was still a failure that should have been so much more. They could have got 1-2 years out of it.
CM Punk's pipebomb created interest but in the long run I don't think getting a slightly higher MITB buyrate was worth the flipside of so many wrestlers/bookers for years to come then thinking they had to be "shooty" all the time.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jun 6, 2023 21:38:47 GMT -5
If I recall correctly - the Sexy Star title win tanked Lucha Underground's ratings momentum and they never recovered.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Jun 6, 2023 21:48:25 GMT -5
Cornette has said that using the Gangstas helped business in the big towns (Knoxville, Johnson City) but hurt it in the small towns, which is where they ran most of their shows.
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Post by Gunhaver on Jun 6, 2023 22:02:00 GMT -5
It's gotta be the nWo not reaching a timely conclusion, right? The way they kept it going well after it had any story relevance and the weird ways they kept it alive just to sell more merch.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2023 22:09:48 GMT -5
If I recall correctly - the Sexy Star title win tanked Lucha Underground's ratings momentum and they never recovered. This is very much not true. |
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jun 6, 2023 22:18:27 GMT -5
If I recall correctly - the Sexy Star title win tanked Lucha Underground's ratings momentum and they never recovered. This is very much not true. These are the numbers I found online after a quick Google search and I remember that was the discourse at the time but happy to be corrected if this was off.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2023 22:36:57 GMT -5
This is very much not true. These are the numbers I found online after a quick Google search and I remember that was the discourse at the time but happy to be corrected if this was off. I am assuming this is combining both the first run and the replay which makes sense. So depending on the metric we are to go by is combining both then you would be correct. But if not then that does hold the highest initial rating untill the August 23rd episode which tops it with an initial rating of 177k to the 134k. |
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Post by levimcdaniel on Jun 6, 2023 23:02:02 GMT -5
I don't think Sexy Star winning or losing anything has anything to do with Lucha Undergrounds ratings. I really don't think a woman winning a championship can tank any ratings so bad. That's preposterous.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Jun 7, 2023 5:21:43 GMT -5
Jinder Mahal winning the WWE title comes to mind. I believe the angle was make him a star to appeal to the india market which they had a tour coming up for. But yet ratings and ticket sales suffered and he failed to get over with the India market, a long title run. To the point AJ won the belt during Smackdown. Jinder Mahal goes to india to get beat up by HHH. Than trickled back down the card.
I recall house show business really took a nose drive when JBL became WWE champion.
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Post by The Barber on Jun 7, 2023 5:46:27 GMT -5
 He's pretty big. But seriously, it has to be this moment...  |
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Post by THE FVNKER on Jun 7, 2023 6:46:39 GMT -5
How that skipped my mind given what I was watching, I have no idea. But yeah, that's the winner right there. The whole entire business could've been changed. |
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Post by evilone on Jun 7, 2023 6:53:32 GMT -5
If I recall correctly - the Sexy Star title win tanked Lucha Underground's ratings momentum and they never recovered. I think that only works in IWC. In real life no single storyline decision can kill the company in the long run, even a combo of fingerpoke and champ Arquette can't dent the company. It's only a major batch of bad decisions that does so. Sometimes, like in TNA's case, major batch of super stupid booking decisions hasn't kill the company (just yet). |
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Post by Push R Truth on Jun 7, 2023 7:27:52 GMT -5
There was a time in TNA when it looked like it could have been a real big player. They had Christain, Sting, Angle, Jeff Hardy, AJ Styles, Abyss, R Truth... and it's god damn Jeff Jarret destroying everybody. I feel like it was a King of the Mountain Match or another big multi man match where the PPV itself was great and then ended with the JJ turd that killed all momentum and it never really recovered.
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Post by Bo Rida on Jun 7, 2023 7:29:17 GMT -5
Talking of TNA that stupid roster address by Dixie might not have diretly hurt business but I'm pretty sure it hurt the perception of the company with both wrestlers and fans long-term which would hurt their business.
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Post by Sephiroth on Jun 7, 2023 8:08:09 GMT -5
Arquette as WCW champion. outside of being a final nail in the coffin of WCW, the crossover publicity Russo was trying to court was overwhelmingly negative. Those outside of fandom already held a low opinion of wrestling, but putting the belt on Arquette somehow made it look even worse. The fact that it was accompanied by a godawful movie that made wrestling fans look like idiots and it virtually killed Arquette’s caterer for a long time just furthers the destructive legacy.
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Post by JasonVoorhees1988 on Jun 7, 2023 8:23:26 GMT -5
He's pretty big. But seriously, it has to be this moment... . I truly believe to much credit is given to this, & not the fact that the two other companies had gone out of business. WCW dying had way more to do with the audience leaving then a poorly timed heel turn. |
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Post by JasonVoorhees1988 on Jun 7, 2023 8:24:57 GMT -5
Cornette has said that using the Gangstas helped business in the big towns (Knoxville, Johnson City) but hurt it in the small towns, which is where they ran most of their shows. So a bunch of racists didn't watch the two black guys? Good. f*** them. |
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Jun 7, 2023 8:26:58 GMT -5
Arquette as WCW champion. outside of being a final nail in the coffin of WCW, the crossover publicity Russo was trying to court was overwhelmingly negative. Those outside of fandom already held a low opinion of wrestling, but putting the belt on Arquette somehow made it look even worse. The fact that it was accompanied by a godawful movie that made wrestling fans look like idiots and it virtually killed Arquette’s caterer for a long time just furthers the destructive legacy. I've often compared it to trying to save someone whose bleeding to death by shooting them in the head. The fact that David knew it was a terrible idea and fought against it tooth and nail only for Russo to force him into it due to contractual obligation makes it even worse. |
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