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Post by lildude8218 on Sept 22, 2023 8:11:31 GMT -5
It was a mild concussion rather than a hot, fire, or Diablo concussion.
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Post by Nosnorb on Sept 22, 2023 16:50:11 GMT -5
In hindsight, it was obvious that Mox was wrestling that match punch drunk, dude forgot to blade.
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Post by Kalmia on Sept 22, 2023 17:16:25 GMT -5
Grandslam Dynamite is on TV in the UK right now and we've just got to Mox vs Fenix. I didn't notice when I watched live, but after that initial dive Fenix does check on Mox. They do the hand squeeze thing to confirm he's okay. Mox is definitely rocky after it, but by the time they're in the ring he looks like he has his legs back under him. Mox's positioning etc for the rest of the match is on point as if he's fine. He checks in with Fenix on other moves as well to make sure Fenix is okay.
I don't think Knox checks him once, maybe because Fenix already had. Of course, Knox should have checked himself just to be sure but he wasn't even out of the ring with them at the start.
I wonder at what point Mox moved from continuing with the match to calling an audible for the finish.
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Post by markymark on Sept 22, 2023 17:40:28 GMT -5
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Sept 22, 2023 20:07:19 GMT -5
Honestly I’m expecting Moxley will stick up for him. He very much seems to be the dude who would just say “shit happens” and move on.
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Post by Cyno on Sept 22, 2023 22:22:38 GMT -5
I get reacting and thinking Fenix caused it, but it really seems like he didn't do anything wrong. Knox still bears the brunt of the responsibility for f***ing that up IMO.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 22, 2023 22:47:57 GMT -5
Yeah, I get optics wise it didn't look good, but Fenix has hit that move on hundreds of people with no issue, no doubt he knows how to hit it safe and make it look good If someone's gonna get blamed here it should be Knox
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Sept 23, 2023 16:40:02 GMT -5
Hundreds of matches across multiple promotions over the years, and Fenix has never had a reputation as an unsafe worker despite all the flippy shit.
Sometimes shit just happens. Shinsuke dropped Cena on his head. They both accepted it was a mistake and moved on.
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Post by Doo Doo Dickhead on Sept 23, 2023 17:43:05 GMT -5
Hundreds of matches across multiple promotions over the years, and Fenix has never had a reputation as an unsafe worker despite all the flippy shit. Sometimes shit just happens. Shinsuke dropped Cena on his head. They both accepted it was a mistake and moved on. If I'm not mistaken, Cena even put the blame on himself for not taking the move properly.
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Post by The anti-ratings Luddite on Sept 24, 2023 17:42:58 GMT -5
To be blunt, I hope everyone blaming Fenix for any of this owns up to their mistake and apologizes.
But they won't.
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Post by chazraps on Sept 24, 2023 18:06:25 GMT -5
I do want to throw out that I thought, kayfabe-wise, English commentary covered great for it on-air speculating that the ref mistook Mox twitching for a kick-out from the shoulder that wasn't visible on camera. Made it seem like a camera mishap more than a deliberate not counting for the finish.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Sept 24, 2023 18:30:27 GMT -5
Since it happened I put the blame on Knox. I’m surprised people be putting heat on Fenix for it. Could he have been safer? Yes.
But they just had the finish, exhausted, to do that sequence again, I give Fenix some leeway for struggling. Mox ain’t a lightweight. But this is all Knox’s fault.
Ima be honest, dudes always seemed like the most oblivious referee of the lot, and in AEW, that’s saying something.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Sept 24, 2023 18:43:35 GMT -5
Did they not establish a proper concussion protocol after the Matt Hardy incident a few years back? A concussion protocol requires some obvious symptoms of a concussion and there weren't really any - at least without the benefit of hindsight. Most thought Moxley was just selling and the match mostly went off without a hitch. It seems like there was an issue with the communication where Mox told Fenix he was going over and told Knox to count him out and it's possible a lot got lost their in translation and then things because obvious once the match was over. This unfortunately happens sometimes. Taker got concussed in his match with Brock and other than it just being a shitty match, no one really noticed until he collapsed when he got to the back.
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Post by Cyno on Sept 24, 2023 20:49:51 GMT -5
Since it happened I put the blame on Knox. I’m surprised people be putting heat on Fenix for it. Could he have been safer? Yes. But they just had the finish, exhausted, to do that sequence again, I give Fenix some leeway for struggling. Mox ain’t a lightweight. But this is all Knox’s fault. Ima be honest, dudes always seemed like the most oblivious referee of the lot, and in AEW, that’s saying something. Yeah, I imagine Fenix was just following Mox's lead there.
Like even after the match, Mox was apparently able to walk back to the locker room under his own power. So it wasn't a scary, but obviously bad situation like when Hangman got knocked out during his match with Mox.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Sept 25, 2023 4:25:45 GMT -5
Shit like this happens too much in AEW
And by 'too much' I mean 'even one time after that Hardy/Sammy atrocity'
Not injuries, BTW - although that is possibly another discussion to have - matches carrying on when they should be stopped
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Post by Hypnosis on Sept 25, 2023 11:01:24 GMT -5
Shit like this happens too much in AEW And by 'too much' I mean 'even one time after that Hardy/Sammy atrocity' Not injuries, BTW - although that is possibly another discussion to have - matches carrying on when they should be stopped I would hope the crowds would understand if a highly-anticipated match has to be cut short due to a major injury happening early on with one of the two wrestlers. Better to see them at close to 100% than have their career tragically cut short by working through the pain.
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Post by daaave on Sept 25, 2023 12:30:22 GMT -5
They did it with Page/Mox. Fans understood and wasn't any issues. Fans would fully understand
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Sept 25, 2023 12:58:24 GMT -5
Hopefully, Mox takes a couple weeks off, at least, before coming back.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Sept 25, 2023 13:41:21 GMT -5
Honestly I’m expecting Moxley will stick up for him. He very much seems to be the dude who would just say “shit happens” and move on. Kinda reminds me how Shinsuke dropped Cena right on top of his head and Cena's first reaction was, "nah, it's all good, shit happens dawg, it was probably my fault anyway" Even IF you feel like the other dude messed up, it says a lot about a guy who uses his position to stand up for somebody that could have really injured them.
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Post by Cyno on Sept 25, 2023 13:47:52 GMT -5
Shit like this happens too much in AEW And by 'too much' I mean 'even one time after that Hardy/Sammy atrocity' Not injuries, BTW - although that is possibly another discussion to have - matches carrying on when they should be stopped Recognizing when concussions actually happen seems to be an easier-said-than-done thing out of the most obvious circumstances. Because this is far from just an AEW thing. I can think of at least two incidents in Real Sports just this year when an athlete went undiagnosed for a concussion for a long time because it wasn't immediately apparent. In baseball: Anthony Rizzo of the New York Yankees was dealing with an undiagnosed Post-Concussion Syndrome for months because he never reported any symptoms to his coaches, manager, or the Yankees' medical staff. And he didn't have any recognizable symptoms from the outside. Just last night, Las Vegas Raiders' Jimmy Garrapolo played a good chunk of a football game concussed but no one realized. It wasn't until he finally mentioned something about blurry vision that they got his head examined. He wasn't placed into concussion protocol until after the game.
Like, it's easy to say what should and shouldn't have been done in hindsight. This also isn't to make excuses for Knox because he had a front row seat to seeing something was wrong with Mox. But recognizing and treating brain trauma is still pretty new territory for medical science and that's in spite of all the advancements made in the past decade. We just learned this year that teenagers and 20-somethings can start showing signs of CTE a lot earlier than previously believed.
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