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Post by markymark on Oct 11, 2023 16:56:40 GMT -5
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Oct 11, 2023 16:57:55 GMT -5
I've been thinking about it for a bit, and as a Jewish person, I feel there are many aspects to this, and I'm going to tell you, I am proud of the way most people in here are talking about it. My opinion, Tony shouldn't have let the angle through, it's a bad time, and a bad business to try to run this kind of angle. With that being said, it's why the wrestlers like Tony; it's because I'm sure Max came to him with this, and pushed to run it; and Tony let it go. It's something that few others would do, both because they didn't have the guts or experience or both.
As for why, I assume MJF saw what was going on, and as someone who is trying to not only be a babyface, but an openly upfront about his Judaism babyface; he saw this as an opportunity to present the hero standing up to the hate, and coming out on top. I grew up hearing stories of Sandy Koufax not playing on Yom Kippur, someone who was openly Jewish, and didn't hide it, and stood up for his people. As I said earlier, I don't agree with the it; but I think the yelling AEW does anti-semitic angle sort of misses the point of the players here.
Thanks for listening.
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Post by 06vwgti on Oct 11, 2023 16:59:16 GMT -5
I must have missed that MJF promo and I usually watch every week, save the few days I am on the west coast which screws up my watch habits so it may have been then...
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Post by markymark on Oct 11, 2023 17:37:55 GMT -5
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 11, 2023 17:39:52 GMT -5
I've been thinking about it for a bit, and as a Jewish person, I feel there are many aspects to this, and I'm going to tell you, I am proud of the way most people in here are talking about it. My opinion, Tony shouldn't have let the angle through, it's a bad time, and a bad business to try to run this kind of angle. With that being said, it's why the wrestlers like Tony; it's because I'm sure Max came to him with this, and pushed to run it; and Tony let it go. It's something that few others would do, both because they didn't have the guts or experience or both. As for why, I assume MJF saw what was going on, and as someone who is trying to not only be a babyface, but an openly upfront about his Judaism babyface; he saw this as an opportunity to present the hero standing up to the hate, and coming out on top. I grew up hearing stories of Sandy Koufax not playing on Yom Kippur, someone who was openly Jewish, and didn't hide it, and stood up for his people. As I said earlier, I don't agree with the it; but I think the yelling AEW does anti-semitic angle sort of misses the point of the players here. Thanks for listening. We love you, Tiger Millionaire *Single Tear* But seriously I've done my best to be eloquent about this situation, I hope I have been. I'm not Jewish, I could never understand it all because of that, but I try.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Oct 11, 2023 18:08:35 GMT -5
Honestly the story is fine tbh, clearly setting up for MJF to be a hero beating out some assholes playing on his traumatic past. It's the timing that is the issue really. If we didn't have a clear humanitarian crisis happening in the Middle East I don't think people would have as much of a problem with it. I think that's what's getting lost in all this with people on social media.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2023 18:09:24 GMT -5
We can't really say that MJF has always been a beacon for hope either let's not go that far because this guy certainly hasn't been a social media saint
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Post by Cyno on Oct 11, 2023 18:31:32 GMT -5
But yeah, I really, really hope this ends up way more like Wrestlemania 35 than Wrestlemania 19.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Oct 11, 2023 20:07:36 GMT -5
Something I find really baffling about the whole thing is just like.... Why? MJF already had ample reason to have beef with them and Juice isn't even, like, the actual threat here, he's a disposable minion and his defeat won't be the climax of the story. It just kind of feels like you're putting needless baggage on this side character in the story when it doesn't really actually add anything.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 11, 2023 20:13:32 GMT -5
Something I find really baffling about the whole thing is just like.... Why? MJF already had ample reason to have beef with them and Juice isn't even, like, the actual threat here, he's a disposable minion and his defeat won't be the climax of the story. It just kind of feels like you're putting needless baggage on this side character in the story when it doesn't really actually add anything. Juice is very over for being a side character, and I assume what they wanted to do, was give him some extra shine and give MJF a reason to want to overcome him and stretch a bit to Full Gear and facing Jay as the final boss Like it's no secret Juice is maybe the most over midcarder they have, at least he's one of them. I assume MJF saw his Quarter Roll Punch and figured it'd be an easy way to weave it into the storyline and what he wanted to do. And unfortunately, it got blowback due to the timing
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Oct 11, 2023 20:19:16 GMT -5
This is also starting to make bigger press now unfortunately OK, I feel like there's a difference between an antisemitism story and an antisemitic story...
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Post by Jumpin' Jesse Walsh on Oct 11, 2023 21:15:19 GMT -5
I'm just floored that, amidst all of this discussion, we got a 3LW song thrown in here.
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 11, 2023 23:03:25 GMT -5
This is also starting to make bigger press now unfortunately OK, I feel like there's a difference between an antisemitism story and an antisemitic story... It also feels like, if I am being totally honest, some of people connecting this to Israel's current situation is a stretch. Like, if MJF wanted to wait for a more convenient season where there was no conflict between Israel and Palestine, he'd have to wait quite some time considering, like, everything about Israel and Palestine's relationship since its inception.
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Oct 11, 2023 23:15:25 GMT -5
OK, I feel like there's a difference between an antisemitism story and an antisemitic story... It also feels like, if I am being totally honest, some of people connecting this to Israel's current situation is a stretch. Like, if MJF wanted to wait for a more convenient season where there was no conflict between Israel and Palestine, he'd have to wait quite some time considering, like, everything about Israel and Palestine's relationship since its inception. It’s a major, and disingenuous, stretch. I’ve said it a couple of times in this thread already, but I feel like trivializing what’s currently happening in the Middle East by implying that this pro wrestling angle about MJF standing up to antisemitic bullying was in any way evocative of it is far more offensive than the angle itself.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Oct 12, 2023 0:14:02 GMT -5
This is also starting to make bigger press now unfortunately Gotta say, at the very least, maybe they would have been better off writing "MJF" on the quarter roll than the very Jewish surname "Friedman." Because all the context of Juice using the coin roll or whatever else is not communicated in this one image, but the anti-semitism aspect certainly is.
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Post by ben:friendship frog on Oct 12, 2023 0:39:15 GMT -5
It also feels like, if I am being totally honest, some of people connecting this to Israel's current situation is a stretch. Like, if MJF wanted to wait for a more convenient season where there was no conflict between Israel and Palestine, he'd have to wait quite some time considering, like, everything about Israel and Palestine's relationship since its inception. It’s a major, and disingenuous, stretch. I’ve said it a couple of times in this thread already, but I feel like trivializing what’s currently happening in the Middle East by implying that this pro wrestling angle about MJF standing up to antisemitic bullying was in any way evocative of it is far more offensive than the angle itself. No, it's not more f***ing offensive to notice the very clear link to the escalation of atrocities going on in the world with a wrestling angle that is playing on anti-Semitic tropes in the very same week. It's very f***ing offensive to suggest people are being disingenuous about how uncomfortable they are with this being played out on TV. Why would they do that? Because they hate Tony Khan or AEW? Give me a break.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 12, 2023 1:01:13 GMT -5
It’s a major, and disingenuous, stretch. I’ve said it a couple of times in this thread already, but I feel like trivializing what’s currently happening in the Middle East by implying that this pro wrestling angle about MJF standing up to antisemitic bullying was in any way evocative of it is far more offensive than the angle itself. No, it's not more f***ing offensive to notice the very clear link to the escalation of atrocities going on in the world with a wrestling angle that is playing on anti-Semitic tropes in the very same week. It's very f***ing offensive to suggest people are being disingenuous about how uncomfortable they are with this being played out on TV. Why would they do that? Because they hate Tony Khan or AEW? Give me a break. Sadly, that is exactly what is happening in some spaces Not here, furthest offensive thing here I think has been people saying AEW legit tried to get heat off this conflict for a wrestling angle, which they really didn't. However, very clear online trolls with big enough followings are legitimately feigning offense with the guise that AEW should be cancelled and/or Tony Khan should be fired Some people have no lives man, and they're disgusting human beings to play up offense and pearl clutching to try and get a wrestling show they don't like removed. While also supporting WWE, by the way, a whole other can of worms of hypocrisy in that one.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Oct 12, 2023 1:37:31 GMT -5
It's really sad how tribalism has turned this into a WWE vs AEW thing, by both sides, on Twitter. As for Cornette, Brian Last will absolutely educate Jim on this if he's confused. I'll bet my house on that. Yep, just another reason for a**holes, on both sides, to snipe at each other.
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Post by Viking Hall on Oct 12, 2023 3:45:54 GMT -5
It’s a major, and disingenuous, stretch. I’ve said it a couple of times in this thread already, but I feel like trivializing what’s currently happening in the Middle East by implying that this pro wrestling angle about MJF standing up to antisemitic bullying was in any way evocative of it is far more offensive than the angle itself. No, it's not more f***ing offensive to notice the very clear link to the escalation of atrocities going on in the world with a wrestling angle that is playing on anti-Semitic tropes in the very same week. It's very f***ing offensive to suggest people are being disingenuous about how uncomfortable they are with this being played out on TV. Why would they do that? Because they hate Tony Khan or AEW? Give me a break.Not necessarily on here so much, but there absolutely is a significantly large portion of the wrestling community who will hand wring over anything that suits their narrative when it comes to Tony Khan and AEW even if it's not something that in reality they feel particularly strongly about. It's on a completely different level, but something similar happened in the UK a few years ago when a left-wing politician called Jeremy Corbyn was becoming a threat to ths power of the right-wing Conservatives. He ended up embroiled in an antisemitism storm which essentially ended any chance of him getting into power and turned a significant amount of people against him. This was almost entirely due to the fact that the right-wing media and politicians suddenly became very concerned about antisemitism despite many of those outlets and political parties having strong historical links to antisemitic figures and material. This narrative continued and escalated until it became one of the main topics of conversation in UK politics and news for some time, to the point that people were accusing him of being a terrorist and a danger to society without any real evidence. The reality was that he was actually a life long anti-racism activist and advocate for equal rights who simply happened to be pro-Palestine and refused to support the actions of Israel. Once he was ousted from power in his party suddenly the discourse and importance of antisemitism the right had been pushing for a few years disappeared and became a non-issue virtually overnight. I guess what I'm saying is that people can be incredibly disingenuous when it suits them, even over something as petty as wrestling and don't discount the lengths some people will go to simply to win 'points' in situations like this, even when the 'side' they're shilling for has far worse skeletons in the closet.
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Oct 12, 2023 5:00:00 GMT -5
Since it’s just Juice’s normal weapon of choice, and an old school move aew used a couple of times, I wouldn’t have made any connection to Juice Robinson being all anti semetic unless he started throwing coins at him and calling Jew boy.
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