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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 10, 2023 21:19:55 GMT -5
I get that is his thing already and no doubt everyone signed off on it but yea, I think they could did this at another time Was this a line crossed, what are the thoughts?
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Oct 10, 2023 21:21:03 GMT -5
Poor timing. Shit timing.
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Post by FinalGwen on Oct 10, 2023 21:22:06 GMT -5
I think it'd always be near the knuckle, as indicated by that first time Max brought it up and Punk's only reaction was stunned sympathy despite the blood feud going on, it's something that kinda goes beyond wrestling and shouldn't be used for cheap heel heat. But this week? Couldn't really be worse timing and I'm shocked they didn't pivot away, there's enough interesting stuff with the premise of 'I'm going to take everything you love'.
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Post by ben:friendship frog on Oct 10, 2023 21:22:09 GMT -5
As I said in the live thread, beyond tone deaf. Just really really bad.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Oct 10, 2023 21:22:49 GMT -5
Given the state of the world, that's almost "Muhammad Hassan and his gang of masked terrorists" levels of bad timing and tone-deafness.
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Post by Kalmia on Oct 10, 2023 21:22:57 GMT -5
Awful timing. I'm sure MJF was fine with it (and probably even suggested it) but it was a bad week to bring up the meaning of the quarters for MJF. Juice bringing the roll out was fine as it's his weapon, but the reaction from MJF and the commentators was not a good idea, IMO.
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Post by HIM on Oct 10, 2023 21:23:02 GMT -5
I'm watching Dynamite late but I saw this pop up on my timeline and I had to see it and nah, that shit is nuts. Not good at all.
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Post by Watch AEW Magnitude on Oct 10, 2023 21:23:06 GMT -5
TK should fire himself for okaying this.
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Post by Cyno on Oct 10, 2023 21:23:36 GMT -5
I'll post what I posted in the live thread:
"As the resident Jew, I'll give Juice a pass for that. But only him because he's used the roll of quarters as a weapon a bunch of times before. That and I don't think he would've done it without Max's approval backstage."
If it was anyone else and it wasn't their thing to use a roll of quarters as a weapon, I'd be pissed. And I want to add that I don't blame any other Jewish people at all if they felt offended by that. I just personally wasn't. I also have come around to the consensus that this could've waited at least another week.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Oct 10, 2023 21:23:54 GMT -5
They could’ve pivoted by just having Max beat up Juice backstage after the segment and it’s never brought up again.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Oct 10, 2023 21:24:22 GMT -5
It's setting up a Jewish hero to overcome the bad guys. I'm fine with it.
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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN on Oct 10, 2023 21:24:42 GMT -5
I mean...in universe canon-wise? It makes sense...Bang Bang Gang are absolute scumbags who are probably shockingly similar to the bullies Max was referencing in that original promo. So...yeah. HOWEVER.... Given current world events and all that?
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 10, 2023 21:24:59 GMT -5
Maybe this'll have people respond negatively to me, but it's a thing Juice has always done, and MJF reacted negatively to it because it's from his own backstory
It sets up actual heat with MJF and Juice as a hurdle for MJF to overcome before fighting Jay. There's nothing wrong with what they did out there tonight, and it worked well within the parameters of the storyline
What's going on in the world sucks, no one's going to argue that, but looking at that and your first thought being "How dare they be antisemetic at a time like this??" is just... sorry, it's reaching a bit to me, and that's where I'll leave it, I'm just one take on the matter. If people had a problem with it however, it's not really my place to say there shouldn't be offense. This is my real time reaction and as I see more people's reactions I'll simply understand more too, which I want to.
Can't wait to see how the feud develops further on my end.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Oct 10, 2023 21:25:29 GMT -5
So I'll say it this way. I get why people wouldn't like it with everything going on in the world right now.
Did my mind go there? No. My mind went to it being Juice's thing, as well as fitting into something that is a very big part of MJF's story. Not only a story he has told many times as to how it shaped him, but also playing into the current story of how he's trying to be a better person, but it also insecure and feels alone without the one person he can trust. Taking all of that into consideration under normal circumstances, I think it's a brilliant way to continue MJF's face turn...
But this is also not normal times obviously. Do I think this was a line that was crossed? No. Will I blame others if they do? No. With how open and proud MJF is about his faith? I'm not going to make a big deal out of it.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Oct 10, 2023 21:25:56 GMT -5
I only managed to catch both shows main events yoooooo WTF???
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Post by Celexa Bliss 54 on Oct 10, 2023 21:26:06 GMT -5
I'm not offended by much, but the timing and optics of this... yeesh. I didn't like MJF using his childhood trauma to lure faces into a false sense of security, and I'm not a fan of it being used for cheap heat against him, either. But this week of all weeks... yeah no.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 10, 2023 21:27:01 GMT -5
Gonna be super overblown, maybe they'll have people respond negatively to me, but it's a thing Juice has always done, and MJF reacted negatively to it because it's from his own backstory It sets up actual heat with MJF and Juice as a hurdle for MJF to overcome before fighting Jay. There's nothing wrong with what they did out there tonight, and it worked well within the parameters of the storyline What's going on in the world sucks, no one's going to argue that, but looking at that and your first thought being "How dare they be antisemetic at a time like this??" is just... sorry, it's reaching to me, and that's where I'll leave itCan't wait to see how the feud develops further on my end. Bro, this is one you really need to dial back the wrestling mindset and think more global In wrestling it is fine but don't be dismissive of it wither saying it is over blown and reaching. Got to let people feel how they going to feel on this because the real life shit does have a BIG impact
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Post by eJm on Oct 10, 2023 21:27:10 GMT -5
I'll post what I posted in the live thread: "As the resident Jew, I'll give Juice a pass for that. But only him because he's used the roll of quarters as a weapon a bunch of times before. That and I don't think he would've done it without Max's approval backstage." If it was anyone else and it wasn't their thing to use a roll of quarters as a weapon, I'd be pissed. I think this is the wider thing, the logic of it makes sense from the context of it being Juice's thing (and I wasn't aware of that at first until people said) but I'd probably have either delayed it or just not brought it up and had him still use it as a weapon. Even with the context, anything else feels like a wild overreaction because of the circumstances which I completely understand, do not get me wrong at all. Especially since we're not talking about something that just kicked off a couple of days ago, to put it mildly.
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Post by mrpeacock on Oct 10, 2023 21:27:16 GMT -5
Gross.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Oct 10, 2023 21:27:36 GMT -5
As a Jew, I don't like it. I get it, but I don't like it. It's past that line of stuff that is acceptable in wrestling to me; and worse, considering current events; even though this sets up MJF to be the hero, and we could use a Jewish wrestling hero, someone who just openly embraces being Jewish. I don't look forward to the bad actors I have already seen on Twitter who haven't said shit over the past week all up in arms because they worship a different 3 letter company.
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