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Post by Doo Doo is Worse Than WCW 2000 on Oct 10, 2023 21:27:52 GMT -5
I really like everyone involved in that segment, but holy shit was that long. Actually, I'm not so sure it isn't still going.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 10, 2023 21:28:35 GMT -5
Gonna be super overblown, maybe they'll have people respond negatively to me, but it's a thing Juice has always done, and MJF reacted negatively to it because it's from his own backstory It sets up actual heat with MJF and Juice as a hurdle for MJF to overcome before fighting Jay. There's nothing wrong with what they did out there tonight, and it worked well within the parameters of the storyline What's going on in the world sucks, no one's going to argue that, but looking at that and your first thought being "How dare they be antisemetic at a time like this??" is just... sorry, it's reaching to me, and that's where I'll leave itCan't wait to see how the feud develops further on my end. Bro, this is one you really need to dial back the wrestling mindset and think more global In wrestling it is fine but don't be dismissive of it wither saying it is over blown and reaching. Got to let people feel how they going to feel on this because the real life shit does have a BIG impact I thought it might be, but I'm not dismissing others feelings on it, I said I'm one take on the matter, one person, and what's going on in the world sucks Maybe they should have left it out but I also doubt they thought people would get offended over a thing Juice has done for years, just unfortunate timing I guess
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Post by Texas Tornado on Oct 10, 2023 21:28:36 GMT -5
This screams something that MJF would be into, but I feel like someone's gotta be the person in the room to say "hey not this week".
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Post by Watch AEW Magnitude on Oct 10, 2023 21:29:13 GMT -5
It really doesn’t help that there was that antisemitic quarter sign in the front row just a couple of weeks ago.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2023 21:29:28 GMT -5
I had no problem with it BUT I can agree if anything was the issue here it is just the timing of the promo was absoloutley not the time to do it.
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Post by Kalmia on Oct 10, 2023 21:29:43 GMT -5
Bro, this is one you really need to dial back the wrestling mindset and think more global In wrestling it is fine but don't be dismissive of it wither saying it is over blown and reaching. Got to let people feel how they going to feel on this because the real life shit does have a BIG impact I thought it might be, but I'm not dismissing others feelings on it, I said I'm one take on the matter, one person, and what's going on in the world sucks Maybe they should have left it out but I also doubt they thought people would get offended over a thing Juice has done for years, just unfortunate timing I guess Both MJF and the commentators deliberately referenced the other meaning. That's the problem. If it was just Juice doing Juice, it wouldn't have come across the way it did.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 10, 2023 21:29:57 GMT -5
Bro, this is one you really need to dial back the wrestling mindset and think more global In wrestling it is fine but don't be dismissive of it wither saying it is over blown and reaching. Got to let people feel how they going to feel on this because the real life shit does have a BIG impact I thought it might be, but I'm not dismissing others feelings on it, I said I'm one take on the matter, one person, and what's going on in the world sucks Maybe they should have left it out but I also doubt they thought people would get offended over a thing Juice has done for years, just unfortunate timing I guess Very unfortunate timing is an understatement and one done on purpose at that
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Post by Celexa Bliss 54 on Oct 10, 2023 21:30:03 GMT -5
This screams something that MJF would be into, but I feel like someone's gotta be the person in the room to say "hey not this week". Yeah, that's my take on it. I'm sure MJF approved it, if not came up with it himself, but this was not a good time to do it.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Oct 10, 2023 21:30:45 GMT -5
It was absolutely intentional, even to the way he called him Friedman instead of MJF.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 10, 2023 21:32:02 GMT -5
I thought it might be, but I'm not dismissing others feelings on it, I said I'm one take on the matter, one person, and what's going on in the world sucks Maybe they should have left it out but I also doubt they thought people would get offended over a thing Juice has done for years, just unfortunate timing I guess Both MJF and the commentators deliberately referenced the other meaning. That's the problem. If it was just Juice doing Juice, it wouldn't have come across the way it did. I mean they'd have to reference it with how MJF reacted, but I don't know if Juice knew the meaning or if he was simply talking up his finisher, either way it doesn't really matter at this point. They could always back track or drop the plot point entirely if enough people blow back on the point, but as has already been said, timing probably f***ed this up more than anything
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Post by Urn Anderson on Oct 10, 2023 21:32:10 GMT -5
I’m still of the opinion that there’s no line that can’t be crossed for heat as long as the heel gets their comeuppance. That’s the kicker.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Oct 10, 2023 21:32:23 GMT -5
Yeah, at first I didn't even think of MJF's stuff and honestly was distracted trying to keep up with AEW, NXT and these boards to put 2 and 2 together in terms of cringe. Honestly was just like "Juice's loaded punch vs MJF's diamond ring, neat." Since I've had time to take everything else into account, yeah they should have just pulled it from the promo, definitely not the time to pull that crap. Some seriously horrendous shit is going on in the world right now and some thought should be put into real world events.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Oct 10, 2023 21:33:02 GMT -5
This screams something that MJF would be into, but I feel like someone's gotta be the person in the room to say "hey not this week". yeah. Even if he okay’d it, he’s not the center of the universe and what’s happening in the world rn is really, really heavy. Terrible timing.
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Post by eJm on Oct 10, 2023 21:33:31 GMT -5
I'm just going to remind people to be very, very careful here. This isn't our usual "We can't talk about government bills or tasteless comments from politicians" thing, this is an extremely complicated conflict with a tonne of history and baggage with a lot of passion for various reasons so as much as possible we can be decent people about it without going into descriptors that some of us can come off as ignorant about even if we mean well.
EDIT: A lot of people have shown their ass about it, we don't need to add ourselves to that way too long of a list.
We've been good about it so far but, really, this is a big test of that so just be aware.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Oct 10, 2023 21:34:21 GMT -5
If this was any other time, it’d be controversial but the idea that the Jewish hero would prevail would win the day. It just feels like it’s not the time to do it. That’s my two cents.
I’m not going to concern troll and be like “OMG SOMEBODY SHOULD BE FIRED” and god knows wrestling isn’t known for being tasteful, it just feels like this should have been held for another time. They can learn from it and adjust. Shit happens.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Oct 10, 2023 21:34:27 GMT -5
I get loo,ing at it through the lens of the way it's bad, but I would like to offer the counter, which I think is why this got okayed and was likely even Max's idea to go for in the first place: when the Jewish face overcomes the guy who stands in for the antisemitic bullies of the world, for the grown ass man who will play the same immature games on him that the idiot kids played that map on to the real hatreds of the world, it's going to be the big triumph moment of overcoming the stand-in for that. I don't think things should shy away from sensitive topics just because they're current so long as there's an understanding of how to deliver through on them that isn't simply kicking people when they're down. If their story is "antisemitism loses", if they aren't so stupid as to prey on those things just for heat and pull a Triple H vs. Booker T, then there's room for it. Room for people to be uncomfortable with it too, absolutely, but it's not a story that need inherently be iced on principle.
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Post by mrpeacock on Oct 10, 2023 21:35:07 GMT -5
I thought it might be, but I'm not dismissing others feelings on it, I said I'm one take on the matter, one person, and what's going on in the world sucks Maybe they should have left it out but I also doubt they thought people would get offended over a thing Juice has done for years, just unfortunate timing I guess Very unfortunate timing is an understatement and one done on purpose at that Yeah this wasn’t a case where a bus bombing happened the day they were set to air a very stupid angle on a taped show(which shame on WWE for). Someone at AEW saw what happened over the weekend and used it to get heel heat. Straight up.
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Post by markymark on Oct 10, 2023 21:38:12 GMT -5
It's setting up a Jewish hero to overcome the bad guys. I'm fine with it. Pretty much that, I get it looked uncomfortable for some people(and also bad timing) but this is leading to Juice getting his comeuppance next week, besides we will also get to see Max Caster getting character development.
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Post by Kalmia on Oct 10, 2023 21:39:05 GMT -5
I also don't think the angle even needed this. White thinks MJF attacked him so he stole MJF's belt. MJF wants his belt back and feels vulnerable because his friendship with Cole is breaking down and he's outnumbered. That's more than enough story for this. There was no need to do it.
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Post by Denny Zen on Oct 10, 2023 21:39:19 GMT -5
I’m not Jewish, so I honestly don’t think it’s appropriate for me to comment on it or try and downplay it if anyone thought it was offensive.
Using angles with racial undertones in 2023 just feels kind of risky and unnecessary to me, generally. I feel like this was more meant to be a call back to MJF’s prior promo and insecurities than an outright “Juice is literally being racist” angle, but I don’t think it would be the worst thing in the world if the quarters thing was just quietly dropped next week.
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