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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 10, 2023 22:08:05 GMT -5
Wouldn't shock me if MJF or even Juice made a social media post about this, but likely more MJF, because he actually did speak about this on Twitter, quite eloquently, a few days ago while also keeping kayfabe
So I have to imagine something he thought about and ok'd being misconstrued as hurtful or anti-semetic would be awful for him, and not what he intended at all. Can't imagine how he'd feel seeing the blowback to what is likely a story he wants to make into a triumph for a Jewish Babyface against bullying and hate.
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Post by mrpeacock on Oct 10, 2023 22:09:04 GMT -5
Yeah this wasn’t a case where a bus bombing happened the day they were set to air a very stupid angle on a taped show(which shame on WWE for). Someone at AEW saw what happened over the weekend and used it to get heel heat. Straight up. Thank you for confirming why I have you on my ignore list. What’s the point of quoting me to say this? Trying to bait people into a fight? Isn’t that against board rules?
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Post by kingoftheindies on Oct 10, 2023 22:13:27 GMT -5
I would have at least waited a week to do it. Yes, roll of quarter punches are Juice's thing, that's well established. Yes, playing on his childhood bullying to fire MJF up as a babyface is perfect way to crank up the intensity and allow MJF to take down the group of bullies. Yes, I'm sure everyone signed off on it. But 900+ Jews were murdered in Israel less than five days ago in the single largest anti-Semitic attack in 50+ years. This has been followed by the echoing ripple effect of social media relentlessly spreading inescapable abhorrent ghastly perspectives. Terrible timing coupled with the terrible optics of having a Jewish last name written on the roll of quarters. I don't think Juice Robinson or the Bang Bang Gang, IRL or in Kayfabe, is/are anti-Semetic - but just terrible timing and they shouldn't have done it tonight. Pretty much this. Mentioned it before. It is well established that MJF is insecure. Just go back to the Joe feud where he never got over Joe shoving him in NXT, but also how much Joe calling him a kid set him off. Now you have a group of bullies where one of the gang members uses a roll of quarters as his weapon, it's also well established that the bullying incident with quarters when Max was a kid is something very traumatic to him and is a big reason he has trust issues. Now add into the fact that the one person Max feels he can trust is not only hurt but isn't around right now during a time when Max really needs him... that doesn't even bring in Adam's part of being gaslit by Roddy and feeling guilty about not being there for him. Any other week? This is brilliant set up, but for many it's gonna hit close to home this week. Now, I also will say this. With how open and proud Max is of being Jewish I would not be shocked if he feels building off of this will bring a moment of happiness in a time of sadness for the Jewish community. Does it make the timing any better? No not really, but I could see that being the way of thinking
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Post by chazraps on Oct 10, 2023 22:13:37 GMT -5
This is the Rabbi who runs 2econd Wrestling and put together Mitzvahmania in Los Angeles last April.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 10, 2023 22:16:11 GMT -5
This is the Rabbi who runs 2econd Wrestling and put together Mitzvahmania in Los Angeles last April. I don't think it was meant to be funny at least, it's assholes being assholes and MJF reacted angrily to emphasize the point But maybe they'll reach out about it, especially if MJF wanted to do this. Sucks it came off the way it has but maybe they can make efforts to prevent it in the future.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Oct 10, 2023 22:17:44 GMT -5
This came up in the live thread during the pre-show but man I'm so glad this place isn't like a fraction as bad as Youtube is because this thread right now would be a f***ing dumpster fire and it's thankfully not.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 10, 2023 22:19:45 GMT -5
This came up in the live thread during the pre-show but man I'm so glad this place isn't like a fraction as bad as Youtube is because this thread right now would be a f***ing dumpster fire and it's thankfully not. Forget Youtube, Reddit and Twitter are probably toxic waste dumps right now too FAN's got some questionable moments sometimes but this thread made it five plus pages so far and that shows we're a miracle lol
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Oct 10, 2023 22:21:19 GMT -5
This came up in the live thread during the pre-show but man I'm so glad this place isn't like a fraction as bad as Youtube is because this thread right now would be a f***ing dumpster fire and it's thankfully not. This is one of the more level headed places on the internet. Even if folks disagree, it rarely gets wacky.
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Post by ben:friendship frog on Oct 10, 2023 22:21:36 GMT -5
This is the Rabbi who runs 2econd Wrestling and put together Mitzvahmania in Los Angeles last April. I don't think it was meant to be funny at least, it's assholes being assholes and MJF reacted angrily to emphasize the point But maybe they'll reach out about it, especially if MJF wanted to do this. Sucks it came off the way it has but maybe they can make efforts to prevent it in the future. If they really had to do it, I would have had MJF storm the ring rather than storm out. Have the rest of them run off and MJF just beats the shit out of Juice all while the fans cheer for the hero and the commentators condemn Juice like they're JR mad at Triple H in 1999.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Oct 10, 2023 22:23:07 GMT -5
This is the Rabbi who runs 2econd Wrestling and put together Mitzvahmania in Los Angeles last April. So does he call out MJF or just assume he played no part in it?
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Post by eJm on Oct 10, 2023 22:23:07 GMT -5
Considering what is going on right now and what’s being threatened? Holding it off a week wouldn’t have helped.
If I were to be generous, I’d have felt it was safe for it to be mid November, a couple of weeks before the PPV to set up a Juice/MJF match on the go home. And that’s only if things aren’t going to get dramatically worse which, and this is me tip toeing carefully, they very much are.
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Post by SneakMan on Oct 10, 2023 22:24:15 GMT -5
As a non-practicing Jew I didn’t find it offensive - didn’t even immediately make a connection between the promo and the past weekend’s atrocities - but I can totally understand why others would.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Oct 10, 2023 22:25:08 GMT -5
Considering what is going on right now and what’s being threatened? Holding it off a week wouldn’t have helped. If I were to be generous, I’d have felt it was safe for it to be mid November, a couple of weeks before the PPV to set up a Juice/MJF match on the go home. And that’s only if things aren’t going to get dramatically worse which, and this is me tip toeing carefully, they very much are. They kind of just need to call it a day and move on. No references to it, just power forward.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 10, 2023 22:28:54 GMT -5
Considering what is going on right now and what’s being threatened? Holding it off a week wouldn’t have helped. If I were to be generous, I’d have felt it was safe for it to be mid November, a couple of weeks before the PPV to set up a Juice/MJF match on the go home. And that’s only if things aren’t going to get dramatically worse which, and this is me tip toeing carefully, they very much are. The obvious gimmick vs gimmick match is there with the ring vs roll It will be interesting to see how they go about it as I would think next Juice match(s) they are going to focus on that gimmick to drive it home or very least have him steal MJF ring too as they continue to strip MJF of everything
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Post by eJm on Oct 10, 2023 22:29:33 GMT -5
Considering what is going on right now and what’s being threatened? Holding it off a week wouldn’t have helped. If I were to be generous, I’d have felt it was safe for it to be mid November, a couple of weeks before the PPV to set up a Juice/MJF match on the go home. And that’s only if things aren’t going to get dramatically worse which, and this is me tip toeing carefully, they very much are. They kind of just need to call it a day and move on. No references to it, just power forward. I will also add, though, that considering a lot of stuff in the past few years alone added to the context of the wider crisis that has been going on for longer than many of us posters have been alive…there wouldn’t have been a really ideal time to do anything like it, just a time when it would be “better” (Just imagine there are, like 50 more quote marks on either side to make the point better). And this happened to be one of those times when it wasn’t that.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 10, 2023 22:30:09 GMT -5
Considering what is going on right now and what’s being threatened? Holding it off a week wouldn’t have helped. If I were to be generous, I’d have felt it was safe for it to be mid November, a couple of weeks before the PPV to set up a Juice/MJF match on the go home. And that’s only if things aren’t going to get dramatically worse which, and this is me tip toeing carefully, they very much are. They kind of just need to call it a day and move on. No references to it, just power forward. Might be the case, wouldn't be shocked if Tony also makes a donation to a charity or something in good faith or in kayfabe says he fined Juice and that money goes to a charity.
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Post by mrpeacock on Oct 10, 2023 22:33:11 GMT -5
They kind of just need to call it a day and move on. No references to it, just power forward. Might be the case, wouldn't be shocked if Tony also makes a donation to a charity or something in good faith or in kayfabe says he fined Juice and that money goes to a charity. Is it really in good faith if he’s doing it to atone for something messed up that he booked on his show?
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Post by eJm on Oct 10, 2023 22:36:11 GMT -5
Is it really in good faith if he’s doing it to atone for something messed up that he booked on his show? I mean, he is one of the few lucky people on Earth that can make a difference with what he has where an apology and a substantial donation does more than just doing an apology and hoping that’s acceptable. Putting words into action, basically.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Oct 10, 2023 22:36:27 GMT -5
My bad guys I forgot no one ever uses hyperbole. I figured “firing himself” would have been the tip-off. But this is legitimately serious shit that should be discussed, so don’t let my post distract from the actual issues at play. I haven't watched the show yet, so I don't know the particulars of the context in which what happened happened, but I want to add: Tony Khan firing himself from being the booker of AEW is not an idea that can be dismissed out of hand.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 10, 2023 22:36:41 GMT -5
Might be the case, wouldn't be shocked if Tony also makes a donation to a charity or something in good faith or in kayfabe says he fined Juice and that money goes to a charity. Is it really in good faith if he’s doing it to atone for something messed up that he booked on his show? Yes, because it wasn't intended to be what people thought it would be You keep thinking he did this intentionally, nothing he's ever done has ever given off the implication he'd do that with the intention of this reaction.
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