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Post by David-Arquette was in WCW 2000 on Feb 9, 2024 3:21:07 GMT -5
Now, I'm certain they had to pivot and change plans. I genuinely think Dwayne was going to face Roman. However, the way that played out at the press conference. From Dwayne's look of disdain at the boos, to the f***ing family tree, to Cody walking on with no music, Dwayne slapping him, Seth getting involved.. through to the recap from commentary, and Dwayne going off on Triple H.
That was brilliant.
Unnecessary? Yes, when Cody had such a straight line to the match.. but they played it out superbly.
The collateral was Seth, unfortunately, but they could easily build him through this too.
If the whole week has been one big work (doubtful, I think), then well played.
It does remain to be seen where they go with this over the next couple months. They may piss it all away. Hell, they could pivot back again to Roman/Rock.. they could have a 'both titles up for grabs' tag team main event at Wrestlemania: Night 2, and have Roman and Rock win both belts.. but I think they are going to keep a lot of eyes on the product up to, and including Wrestlemania.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Feb 9, 2024 4:52:47 GMT -5
Also, I do believe that this was the original plan. I don’t believe for one second they blew up their WrestleMania main events and re-booked them between 9pm Friday and 5pm Sunday. I mean this in the nicest way possible, but no freaking way. Last Friday night, Cody Rhodes flat out said he wasn’t coming for Roman Reigns at WrestleMania. If the fans acquiesced to what was seen last Friday night, we would’ve had The Rock getting one half of the arena tonight chanting “TRIBAL” and the other half chanting “CHEESE PUFF” or whatever. The only reason they pivoted is because the fans overwhelmingly rejected it both online and in person. It would have been Tribal Queef and you know it.
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Post by "Magic" Mark Hurr on Feb 9, 2024 5:56:23 GMT -5
Now, I'm certain they had to pivot and change plans. I genuinely think Dwayne was going to face Roman. However, the way that played out at the press conference. From Dwayne's look of disdain at the boos, to the f***ing family tree, to Cody walking on with no music, Dwayne slapping him, Seth getting involved.. through to the recap from commentary, and Dwayne going off on Triple H. That was brilliant. Unnecessary? Yes, when Cody had such a straight line to the match.. but they played it out superbly. The collateral was Seth, unfortunately, but they could easily build him through this too. If the whole week has been one big work (doubtful, I think), then well played. It does remain to be seen where they go with this over the next couple months. They may piss it all away. Hell, they could pivot back again to Roman/Rock.. they could have a 'both titles up for grabs' tag team main event at Wrestlemania: Night 2, and have Roman and Rock win both belts.. but I think they are going to keep a lot of eyes on the product up to, and including Wrestlemania. You are right. 2 months is a long time. That's a lot of story to tell and finalizing the placement of the pieces are not set in stone. This twist should be felt down the roster storyline wise. They could mess around and set up the rest of the summer. Drew (he's obviously scheming) and Damian (he has to cash it in). have to be factored in. Elimination chamber has to be set up with AJ, Randy, and Knight. But that might be the match there, just add whomever can be worked in there. There's just much more work to be done. The biggest wildcard is whatever the next big bombshell is for Vince's case.
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Feb 9, 2024 6:04:27 GMT -5
This is getting very interesting. I like the idea of Rock/Roman vs Cody/Seth for Perth and then something changes in the story to get to Cody/Rock/Roman at WM. I guess they could do it at Night 1 of WM for the tag match, too. Whichever! Maybe they settle on something like this and do Rock/Roman at another time 1-on-1 for his last match.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Feb 9, 2024 6:59:56 GMT -5
This dude was ready to kick Cody Rhodes and a two year story build to the side to main event Mania himself for the soul purpose of getting himself over and being the star Forgive me if an example from TWENTY YEARS AGO does not reflect current day and the most recent example of The Rock being a selfish, pompous asshole, literally lass than a week ago. And if this was the plan all along? As I've said, I don't care one way or another as long as the show entertains me, but it just seems very possible that Cody was never out of the main event at all. if it comes out that this was the plan all along I'll buy and eat a Jimmy Uso shirt with a knife and fork
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Feb 9, 2024 7:21:24 GMT -5
I noticed something, when Cody says that Roman's ancestors would be ashamed of him, he looked shook. He wasn't confident, that line hit him. A small nudge on Roman's path to redemption and Rock taking over. Rock got in between them, but Roman just stood there. Like for the first time he's processing that his actions might be bringing shame onto the family. Please let that be deliberate. And if this was the plan all along? As I've said, I don't care one way or another as long as the show entertains me, but it just seems very possible that Cody was never out of the main event at all. if it comes out that this was the plan all along I'll buy and eat a Jimmy Uso shirt with a knife and fork Don't do that. Buy a Jimmy shirt, and eat something like a pork chop. I'm pretty sure eating a Fanatics made shirt would lead to a trip to the hospital.
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Post by FALLOUT Goldashausen #BLM on Feb 9, 2024 7:38:40 GMT -5
Please tell me this leads to the return of the helicopter, long new age music intro and "...IS COOKIN".
I'd actually mark.
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Post by stoptheclocks on Feb 9, 2024 7:54:35 GMT -5
This dude was ready to kick Cody Rhodes and a two year story build to the side to main event Mania himself for the soul purpose of getting himself over and being the star Forgive me if an example from TWENTY YEARS AGO does not reflect current day and the most recent example of The Rock being a selfish, pompous asshole, literally lass than a week ago. And if this was the plan all along? As I've said, I don't care one way or another as long as the show entertains me, but it just seems very possible that Cody was never out of the main event at all. It's kind of remarkable that Dwayne came in with a raging ego to save WrestleMania and got nothing but huge pops in arenas. And then Smackdown happens and 36 hours later all the plans are changed, he's happy to turn heel and use all of this to put Cody over. That's a pretty quick turnaround with a boatload of self awareness required. But in any case, this is a better story than running back Cody-Roman beat for beat, and better than Rock-Roman. So this is all a good thing regardless? There are plenty of examples of wrestling companies putting out bad TV because they won't pivot from a storyline. It doesn't become more entertaining because the booker planned it way out in advance.
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Post by David-Arquette was in WCW 2000 on Feb 9, 2024 7:55:36 GMT -5
Please tell me this leads to the return of the helicopter, long new age music intro and "...IS COOKIN". I'd actually mark. Such a pretentious intro, I love it.
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Post by Snaptastic on Feb 9, 2024 9:18:48 GMT -5
Found this amusing. Roman realises he's sitting at the wrong table.
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Post by Ryushinku on Feb 9, 2024 9:19:35 GMT -5
I think they shot themselves into a work (rehtorb), but I can't genuinely say for sure.
Got to hold my hands up on this, it turned out better than I expected. There's still plenty of time for changes to happen again, I'll be irritated if they do any triple threat or four-way or tag rather than straight Roman-Cody II, and they badly need to throw Seth some kind of bone here.
But they've leaned into the reaction and created some real mystery here.
I also think Rock knew exactly what he was doing the second he went out there. All this about him looking shook or out of his depth or unable to cope, nope. And I'm not a huge Rock fan, either, but he knew what he was doing.
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Post by dbsot on Feb 9, 2024 9:33:31 GMT -5
This may have been mentioned, but I am not going through 50 pages to find it. Why was Zilla Fatu left off of the family tree? I know he had a falling out with Booker T, but it still seems like an odd omission. I thought it might have to do with his previous legal issues, but Jacob Fatu was included.
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Post by Treklubj on Feb 9, 2024 9:34:02 GMT -5
And if this was the plan all along? As I've said, I don't care one way or another as long as the show entertains me, but it just seems very possible that Cody was never out of the main event at all. This was never the plan. Cody literally said on Friday "I will fight you, but not at Mania", he passed the torch to The Rock and walked away, dejected and depressed. He was written out of the Main Event then and there. A week of total rejection by the fans caused them to pivot away from The Rock thinking he was "Saving Mania" If you don't care as long as it's entertaining, fine, but they're not getting away with this in plenty of fans eyes for doing the bare minimum of doing what they were SUPPOSED to do in the first place. The fact we even had to deal with this shit for a week is ridiculous and Rock's a f***ing asshole, but he's been an asshole for awhile now, head up his own ass, smelling his own rosey farts. If the whole point was for heel Rock to get gaslight Cody and have him step away, effectively turning the Wresltemania 40 into a celebration of the Bloodline only for Cody to realize he'd been played and reclaim his spot then it makes perfect sense for Cody to say what he said Friday. It would also make perfect sense for his character to look like he was having reservations about doing it on Friday. Finally, the match now has more attention and seems like a much bigger deal than it did 8 days ago, so I'm not sure why you would think this couldn't have been by design. As for the rest of your post, what do you even mean? They're not going to get away with it? Get away with what? Creating an entertaining, surprising storyline? Finally, it seems a lot of your anger toward this is fueled by a huge dislike for the Rock. I'm sure it wasn't his or anyone's intention to make your life miserable for a week. Cody's back in the main event and I'm excited about it. My first-grader is, too, as Cody is right there with Miles Morales in the super hero pantheon. I hope we are all, you included, are able to enjoy the show.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Feb 9, 2024 9:35:35 GMT -5
I don't think there's a chance in hell that *this* was the plan. That said, I could see a world where they could turn Rock but they got too much blowback from the fanbase. But even then, there's still a lot of logic gaps and that original segment still made Cody look like total shit.
"OMG you guys got worked and this was the plan from the beginning?" No way.
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Post by dbsot on Feb 9, 2024 9:42:16 GMT -5
This may have been mentioned, but I am not going through 50 pages to find it. Why was Zilla Fatu left off of the family tree? I know he had a falling out with Booker T, but it still seems like an odd omission. I thought it might have to do with his previous legal issues, but Jacob Fatu was included. NVM, it seems that WWE just copied the family tree from Wikipedia. Lmao.
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Post by polarbearpete on Feb 9, 2024 9:47:21 GMT -5
And if this was the plan all along? As I've said, I don't care one way or another as long as the show entertains me, but it just seems very possible that Cody was never out of the main event at all. if it comes out that this was the plan all along I'll buy and eat a Jimmy Uso shirt with a knife and fork Meltzer has pretty much been backing the idea that this was the plan all along but he did hedge a little in the Observer today.
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Post by David-Arquette was in WCW 2000 on Feb 9, 2024 9:54:44 GMT -5
I think they shot themselves into a work (rehtorb), but I can't genuinely say for sure. Got to hold my hands up on this, it turned out better than I expected. There's still plenty of time for changes to happen again, I'll be irritated if they do any triple threat or four-way or tag rather than straight Roman-Cody II, and they badly need to throw Seth some kind of bone here. But they've leaned into the reaction and created some real mystery here. I also think Rock knew exactly what he was doing the second he went out there. All this about him looking shook or out of his depth or unable to cope, nope. And I'm not a huge Rock fan, either, but he knew what he was doing. Oh for sure, Rocky knew how to work that crowd. Was he genuinely upset by the hate that he'd received? Probably, sure. However, he knew exactly what he was doing. The more I think about it, the more it's a perfect set up to have Reigns turn face, Cody as the face of the company, and for Rocky to be the heel antagonist. I've said it, and I'll say it again, I think Dwayne could be the next heel authority figure. There are so many things they could do with that, and a lot of ways to make it fresh over what we've seen before. Dwayne using the WWE to build and cement the Anoi legacy, eventually to the detriment of the platform he's using to do it, leading to an uprising would be really cool. If they can continue blurring the lines like they did last night, then even better.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Feb 9, 2024 11:57:40 GMT -5
Watched the last segment of this, me and a friend tried to watch the whole thing but as promising as it was to have Punk and Big E at the scrum literally everything else about it was like cheese gratering your own gums. Speedran to the Rock segment at the end and it was incredibly bad and awkward and was summed up nicely by the discussion after where someone, I forget who, essentially said after this long pay to get in launch show that WELL NOT FOR NOTHIN WE HAVE NO f***ING IDEA WHATS GOING ON TAZ, WHOS EXCITED SABOUT MANIA XL ROCKET BUSTA.
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Post by cornettesracket on Feb 9, 2024 14:11:02 GMT -5
So didn’t watch it live and won’t watch it back. So from what I can gather from this thread and other online reaction is that WWE leaned into them being called out on Dwayne pulling a power move and the fans rightly not liking it. Okay I suppose.
They put up a massive family tree graphic which looked so stupid and showed the fact the rock isn’t blood related to Roman.
Cody picked Roman on stage despite six days ago saying “I’m good” which is so stupid still.
So they might still in-spite of themselves and not because of themselves stumble back to the main event we should have in Cody and Roman. And as a fan I don’t want a triple threat or fatal four way or anything like that.
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Post by Doo Doo Dickhead on Feb 9, 2024 14:42:15 GMT -5
I just watched the Rock/Cody part on the WWE YouTube channel. It was hilarious. Seth in the background wearing that outfit, Rock slapping Cody, Seth getting into it with Rock after... it all reminded me just how f***ing dumb wrestling is and why I shouldn't get too upset over it.
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