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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Mar 2, 2024 20:44:10 GMT -5
Prior to Vince buying the company from his dad, wrestling was all bush league shows put on in small, smoky halls to an audience of nobody. This is the one I came in for. Along with wherever, "My philosophy is, help yourself, don't hurt the other guy," falls.
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Post by Cyno on Mar 2, 2024 20:46:26 GMT -5
Prior to Vince buying the company from his dad, wrestling was all bush league shows put on in small, smoky halls to an audience of nobody. This is the big one. Almost from its inception pro wrestling was selling out huge stadiums and arenas. If anything it was running in small arenas in the mid 90s when Vince almost tanked it somehow. Exactly. MSG was the home arena for the WWWF under Vincent J. They also did real strong local TV numbers. And being in the incredibly strong New York City media market gave Vince K. McMahon such a big head start for his national ambitions.
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Post by Hulkshi Tanahashi on Mar 2, 2024 20:56:44 GMT -5
The Self-Destruction Of The Ultimate Warrior.
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Post by Rumble McSkirmish on Mar 2, 2024 21:18:08 GMT -5
Stand Up For WWE. (AKA: try and forget all of that nasty stuff we did back in the 1990's and vote for Linda please.)
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Mar 2, 2024 21:52:51 GMT -5
Prior to Vince buying the company from his dad, wrestling was all bush league shows put on in small, smoky halls to an audience of nobody. Its sad that people on social media truly believe that Vince did that and "created" Wrestling.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Mar 2, 2024 21:59:39 GMT -5
The Self-Destruction Of The Ultimate Warrior. That one was at least fun and had some truth in it, even if it did ignore the fact that he was genuinely over in a big way for a few years. But yeah, it was definitely a hatchet job, and this is coming from someone who can't stand the man behind the paint.
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Post by Hulkshi Tanahashi on Mar 3, 2024 0:00:46 GMT -5
The Self-Destruction Of The Ultimate Warrior. That one was at least fun and had some truth in it, even if it did ignore the fact that he was genuinely over in a big way for a few years. But yeah, it was definitely a hatchet job, and this is coming from someone who can't stand the man behind the paint. And then, when Warrior got back into their good graces, they did a complete 180 and treated him like a big star, ignoring that whole DVD.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Mar 3, 2024 4:33:13 GMT -5
They did most of the work to release a similar hatchet job dvd against Bret but changed course after he decided to co-operate and work with them.to help the careers of the younger Hart family members in developmental.
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Post by Aceorton on Mar 3, 2024 11:14:35 GMT -5
Almost three pages in, and I can't believe someone hasn't mentioned "Vince McMahon, kind-hearted family entertainer, cruelly persecuted by the United States government for absolutely no reason whatsoever, and HE BEAT THEM because he's just that good."
Something tells me we won't ever be hearing that one again.
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Mar 3, 2024 11:26:45 GMT -5
This is the big one. Almost from its inception pro wrestling was selling out huge stadiums and arenas. If anything it was running in small arenas in the mid 90s when Vince almost tanked it somehow. Exactly. MSG was the home arena for the WWWF under Vincent J. They also did real strong local TV numbers. And being in the incredibly strong New York City media market gave Vince K. McMahon such a big head start for his national ambitions. WWWF’s territory also included Philly & Boston. Like NYC, they’re two huge sports cities that also had 2 of the earliest local cable operations. Vince literally couldn’t have picked a better territory to base his expansionist dreams from.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Mar 3, 2024 11:30:45 GMT -5
Stephanie McMahon, helper and supporter of women
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Mar 3, 2024 12:43:32 GMT -5
The WWE's 'WCW created no stars' party line is laughable considering how the promotion under Vince was built on the guts of the AWA which had been eviscerated, Mortal Kombat style and really didn't produce any homegrown main event talent until the Rock.
Stand up for the WWE was a shameless, literal propaganda campaign done not to benefit the WWE, but the McMahon family's ambitions beyond wrestling, as was the 'Girlboss Stephanie' media blitz that came after they hired a PR person to build her brand on the company dime. Never forget how they made her the face of all the WWE's charitable endeavours, promoting her brand ahead of the on screen talent who were actually doing all the Make-a-Wish appearances.
I know the 'Philanthropy is the future of marketing' thing was her quoting a speaker at a talk, but it was something she should have known better than to put out there given how she was being marketed in that way.
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Post by fw91 on Mar 3, 2024 13:25:11 GMT -5
Mick Foley and Steve Austin being nobodies who Vince McMahon headhunted and turned into main eventers all by himself. I feel like this one is half-true though. They weren't unknowns by any stretch of the imagination before going to WWF, but they were just midcarders who had no prospects of moving up the card.
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Post by Jaws the Shark on Mar 3, 2024 13:58:20 GMT -5
Mick Foley and Steve Austin being nobodies who Vince McMahon headhunted and turned into main eventers all by himself. I feel like this one is half-true though. They weren't unknowns by any stretch of the imagination before going to WWF, but they were just midcarders who had no prospects of moving up the card. I wouldn't say that, Cactus Jack had a programme with Vader in 1993 and main evented Halloween Havoc that year, and Austin might not have quite ascended to that status yet but he'd had good runs with the US and tag titles, and worked with Sting on house shows in Europe, tagged with Flair on TV, and been in the Thundercage match at Superbrawl, so he was on the periphery of the main event in 1994. Hogan's arrival lowered the ceiling for them both, but that's more about Hogan than either of them.
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Post by fw91 on Mar 3, 2024 14:17:20 GMT -5
I feel like this one is half-true though. They weren't unknowns by any stretch of the imagination before going to WWF, but they were just midcarders who had no prospects of moving up the card. I wouldn't say that, Cactus Jack had a programme with Vader in 1993 and main evented Halloween Havoc that year, and Austin might not have quite ascended to that status yet but he'd had good runs with the US and tag titles, and worked with Sting on house shows in Europe, tagged with Flair on TV, and been in the Thundercage match at Superbrawl, so he was on the periphery of the main event in 1994. Hogan's arrival lowered the ceiling for them both, but that's more about Hogan than either of them. Yeah for those reasons is why I said half-true lol.
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Post by Hulkshi Tanahashi on Mar 3, 2024 14:38:13 GMT -5
Exactly. MSG was the home arena for the WWWF under Vincent J. They also did real strong local TV numbers. And being in the incredibly strong New York City media market gave Vince K. McMahon such a big head start for his national ambitions. WWWF’s territory also included Philly & Boston. Like NYC, they’re two huge sports cities that also had 2 of the earliest local cable operations. Vince literally couldn’t have picked a better territory to base his expansionist dreams from. Vince Sr. was able to break from the NWA because he was running in three of the biggest media markets in America.
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Post by LiamMcDuggle on Mar 3, 2024 15:53:43 GMT -5
WWWF’s territory also included Philly & Boston. Like NYC, they’re two huge sports cities that also had 2 of the earliest local cable operations. Vince literally couldn’t have picked a better territory to base his expansionist dreams from. Vince Sr. was able to break from the NWA because he was running in three of the biggest media markets in America. NESN in New England was once in more homes than MSG or TBS during the early days of cable. There is generally a reason why almost every major company in the US started in Chicago or NYC. It's not always because they were the first, there is just an advantage of being in the biggest media market in the country. In the 90's, there was a Howard Stern type radio DJ in every American city. As talented as Stern was, he really only became big because he was in NYC
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Post by HMARK Center on Mar 3, 2024 18:12:12 GMT -5
Prior to Vince buying the company from his dad, wrestling was all bush league shows put on in small, smoky halls to an audience of nobody. This is the big one. Almost from its inception pro wrestling was selling out huge stadiums and arenas. If anything it was running in small arenas in the mid 90s when Vince almost tanked it somehow. Yeah, and WWF/E's rise to national prominence largely coincided with an overall decline in popularity for pro wrestling for the wider audience. That's certainly not entirely WWF's fault - the transition to cable and away from local broadcasts of territories to their immediate markets was going to peel off a big chunk of viewers, given that cable wasn't fully entrenched for awhile until well into the 90s, and the need to create a product aimed at a wider, national audience meant a lot of the local ticks and distinctive features would be smoothed away and drive away even more fans. But there were multiple promotions capable of selling well over 10,000 tickets to large cards, often more, before Wrestlemania was a thing, and largely concentrated to local areas (e.g. Deep South having shows at the Superdome and drawing nearly 20,000 fans from around Louisiana, Texas, and Arkansas, mainly).
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Mar 4, 2024 3:25:17 GMT -5
For me the WWE propaganda runs deeper than even facts. It's language.
Look at how loads of YouTube channels and news sites use the WWE speak like PLE or especially 'superstar' when they don't have Vince screaming down a headset at them
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 4, 2024 3:38:37 GMT -5
Stand Up For WWE. (AKA: try and forget all of that nasty stuff we did back in the 1990's and vote for Linda please.) It was part that, but I did get ads for the person running against her and he did have some less than favorable attitudes about Wrestling Fans he wasn't shy about sharing.
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