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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 6, 2024 0:07:42 GMT -5
Stephanie McMahon, helper and supporter of women How about the time Steph compared her father's Steroid Trial to the 9/11 Terrorist Attack? That was sure a thing that she did.
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Post by jason1980s on Mar 6, 2024 0:27:49 GMT -5
Stephanie McMahon, helper and supporter of women How about the time Steph compared her father's Steroid Trial to the 9/11 Terrorist Attack? That was sure a thing that she did. She would have been only 24 (soon to be 25 by the end of that month) so still pretty young. Her statement was a bit over the top but coming from a very young woman and one who probably idolized her father and maybe not being prepared enough to discuss a tragedy like 9/11, that was the best she could do. Her whole life up to that point may have just been what she knew from WWF. I was 17 at the time of 9/11 and my life was pretty much WWF/WCW and whatever shows came on before their shows (Murder She Wrote or Gilligan's Island for example). When I first saw the attacks on the twin towers, I had no idea what it was. I thought it was an old building being demolished. As soon as I found out, I was so shocked and sad what was happening. Who knows how much of the real world Stephanie ever got to know up to that point.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 6, 2024 4:55:07 GMT -5
Any time for the longest time an Indie wrestler came in, they "Worked in Bingo Halls and Armories" before making it to the WWE and were essentially "Welcomed to the Big Leagues" Not only a comedown on wrestling itself but a lot of these workers were in fact working large venues, and even yknow... the f***ing Tokyo Dome, before going to WWE. Normally the people saying stuff like that in WWE are HEELS though.
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Post by eJm on Mar 6, 2024 5:25:33 GMT -5
Any time for the longest time an Indie wrestler came in, they "Worked in Bingo Halls and Armories" before making it to the WWE and were essentially "Welcomed to the Big Leagues" Not only a comedown on wrestling itself but a lot of these workers were in fact working large venues, and even yknow... the f***ing Tokyo Dome, before going to WWE. Normally the people saying stuff like that in WWE are HEELS though. Besides the time WWE decided the guy who helped (temporarily) end the Authority in WWE, Sting, was a heel because he was from WCW even though he said in a promo he wasn’t here because he was from WCW. Then apparently it’s fine for the lead play by play to say he doesn’t know anything about big crowds.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 6, 2024 5:35:30 GMT -5
Normally the people saying stuff like that in WWE are HEELS though. Besides the time WWE decided the guy who helped (temporarily) end the Authority in WWE, Sting, was a heel because he was from WCW even though he said in a promo he wasn’t here because he was from WCW. Then apparently it’s fine for the lead play by play to say he doesn’t know anything about big crowds. Well you see the thing about that storyline is that it was a mess, it made no sense, and they couldn't decide what they wanted. For one thing the video that played before the match had the "this isn't about WCW it's about 10 years too late for that" line... and still went with the WWE vs. WCW line... and also the NWO helped Sting... despite them being his sworn enemies in WCW... and 2/3's of them were posing with his opponent and 2 other members of DX the day before... also I think Sting ultimately was supposed to be the face there? basically the least of that matches problems was Sting lost...
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 6, 2024 5:44:37 GMT -5
I mean Vince was throwing money at the first Wrestlemania to make it a spectacle. I have no doubt that if it failed it would have severely dampened any of his plans, I'm not sure if it would have exactly bankrupted the company. But he had like A list 80's stars there, and MSG home arena as it may be even at the time was not cheap to run television at. WWF had already sort of soft-launched a WrestleMania trial balloon with "The War to Settle the Score" a month prior, which aired on MTV and had all the trappings of WrestleMania I: a sold-out Madison Square Garden, celebrities aplenty (Cyndi Lauper, Andy Warhol, Danny DeVito, Joe Piscopo), and a Hulk Hogan main event match. With that, they had to know at least partially that WrestleMania I wasn't going to be a total flop - at worst it would probably break even financially for them. However, one fib that came from "The True Story of WrestleMania" and its chapter on the first WrestleMania was when (I believe) Hulk Hogan said that all the wrestlers who participated in WrestleMania I were going to be blackballed from the promotions around the country for trying to make WWF go national. That's absolute bunk. You're telling me that the AWA on ESPN, Mid-Atlantic/Crockett on TBS, or any of the other countless promotions with local TV deals wouldn't have bent over backwards to sign Hulk Hogan, Paul Orndorff, Roddy Piper, Andre the Giant, The Iron Shiek, Junkyard Dog, or Greg Valentine if WrestleMania flopped and WWF closed up shop? Speaking of that Slaughter doc, they also claimed Jesse Ventura suggested that burning the American flag would be a way to get heat. Jesse was gone by the time they did the Iraqi sympathizer stuff, and I cant see him saying that would be a good idea to get heat. The timeline sort of syncs up. Sgt. Slaughter returned to WWF in mid-1990, and Jesse Ventura left in August of that year. So while they may have been ships passing in the night, it's plausible that there was some interaction between the two. As for Ventura suggesting the burning of the flag, that too is at least somewhat plausible, because while Ventura is a Veteran, he's also a vehement defender of the First Amendment. Yeah, pure gibberish. AWA might not have signed Hogan given their level of vitriol towards him, with Verne trying to bribe Iron Sheik to injure him, but Crockett sure as shit would have.
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Post by Fundertaker on Mar 6, 2024 6:25:25 GMT -5
Stephanie McMahon, helper and supporter of women And creator of womanhood in general.
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Post by eJm on Mar 6, 2024 8:27:38 GMT -5
Yeah, pure gibberish. AWA might not have signed Hogan given their level of vitriol towards him, with Verne trying to bribe Iron Sheik to injure him, but Crockett sure as shit would have. I'm 99% sure Jim would have sacrificed his son David for any remote chance of getting Hulk Hogan. Never mind what Fritz Von Erich would do...
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Post by Phosphor Glow on Mar 6, 2024 12:50:44 GMT -5
anything that has ever come out of anyone's mouth while speaking on behalf of WWE
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Post by LiamMcDuggle on Mar 6, 2024 12:59:46 GMT -5
The Katie Vick story. I absolutely get why it’s mostly glossed over, but if it is referred to at all, it’s treated as some quaint little misstep, “oops, what can ya do?” By every account available, Vince legit thought it was going to draw strong ratings and get heat on triple h. Probably in no small part because they were fresh off the gay wedding story which had done good numbers and drawn a lot of cross exposure. And Vince was amazed that single segment caused a huge drop as people changed the channel in droves. So much so, he booked a segment with HHH mocking offended audiences with a human sized dummy which basically said "If you're offended, don't watch" and another drop happened because people went "Cool, we won't then". Triple H was in a speedo, screwing a dummy with liquid brains while there was literally a funeral next door. Both Bruce and Hunter have spoken out about how horribly weird this was and how they didnt want to do it.
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Post by WayTooPolitical on Mar 6, 2024 14:42:01 GMT -5
I'm 99% sure Jim would have sacrificed his son David for any remote chance of getting Hulk Hogan. Never mind what Fritz Von Erich would do... If I were Jim Crockett, I would have sacrificed David for a 1976 Ford Pinto, a Chicago White Sox Starter jacket, or a bag of Twizzlers.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 6, 2024 17:11:50 GMT -5
So much so, he booked a segment with HHH mocking offended audiences with a human sized dummy which basically said "If you're offended, don't watch" and another drop happened because people went "Cool, we won't then". Triple H was in a speedo, screwing a dummy with liquid brains while there was literally a funeral next door. Both Bruce and Hunter have spoken out about how horribly weird this was and how they didnt want to do it. Yeah it always sounded like a thing only Vince thought was a good idea, and he would hear nothing to the contrary.
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Mar 6, 2024 21:30:05 GMT -5
Big Show on the NWO or Monday Night War DVD.
I can't remember which one it was. Dude completely buried WCW as if it gave him nothing. Or maybe it was a Confidential piece on Death of WCW.
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Post by jason1980s on Mar 7, 2024 0:49:19 GMT -5
I don't know if it fits as 'propaganda' per se, but Briscoe's incessant ass-kissing in the Monday Night Wars video still makes me laugh to this day. And I also learned not to mess with MISTER MACK-MAN! All the years Gerry was loyal to WWE and he was friggin' released. I was pretty shocked when that came out. There are so many reasons that Vince has shown was a piece of crap he is and releasing Brisco is far from the worst but just goes to show what kind of man Vince is. His loyalty is to himself only. His motto shouldn't be "help yourself, don't hurt the other guy" it's really "help yourself only, hurt anyone and everyone else."
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 7, 2024 1:44:41 GMT -5
Big Show on the NWO or Monday Night War DVD. I can't remember which one it was. Dude completely buried WCW as if it gave him nothing. Or maybe it was a Confidential piece on Death of WCW. That's honestly how he felt, though. Like, obviously, WCW gave him a great start by any metric, but then they kind of f***ed him over. When Curt Hennig came in and made more money than him, and Bischoff being a dismissive prick to him when he was getting ready to renegotiate, it was kind of a given what was going to happen next, even without Paul stopping just short of admitting the WWF spoke to him when he was still under contract to WCW.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 7, 2024 9:10:33 GMT -5
They treat this moment like it was them winning a World War I think this is singlehandedly the biggest gaslight of the Monday Night Wars era in how much it is talked up as being some legendary, insane, unthinkable moment, when if you actually watch it in real time, it was... like literally nothing. It's only talked up as much as it is because well, WWE won, WCW lost, and HHH could act like he was amazing and a huge reason WCW failed... something he'd carry his whole career and even into his Mania Match with Sting... which was one giant propaganda piece in itself tbh.
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Post by thirteen3 on Mar 7, 2024 9:24:45 GMT -5
^ All that segment did was to reveal to 8yo me that WCW existed.
"oh, so that's where Hulk Hogan is. These Cruiserweights have cool moves, this Jericho guy is funny."
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Post by random420 on Mar 7, 2024 9:35:20 GMT -5
Anything involving Owen Hart and Over The Edge 99. WWE spend the last 2 decade gaslighting their audience into thinking that Martha Hart was in the wrong for her not wanting to work with the company or have anything to do with them.
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Post by Zombie Mod is not a ghoul. on Mar 7, 2024 9:44:36 GMT -5
They treat this moment like it was them winning a World War I think this is singlehandedly the biggest gaslight of the Monday Night Wars era in how much it is talked up as being some legendary, insane, unthinkable moment, when if you actually watch it in real time, it was... like literally nothing. It's only talked up as much as it is because well, WWE won, WCW lost, and HHH could act like he was amazing and a huge reason WCW failed... something he'd carry his whole career and even into his Mania Match with Sting... which was one giant propaganda piece in itself tbh. the DX tank.
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Post by eJm on Mar 7, 2024 9:47:19 GMT -5
The funniest thing about the "Tank" segment was if you actually watch it, the intention would probably be to get the crowd to cheer for WWF over WCW.
What actually happened was that the crowd there liked WWF, LOVED WCW and hated Eric Bischoff so HHH just went "Well, we'll blow him up" and "blew up" the stadium with the cannon. So they're assholes and implied murderers.
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