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Post by tafkaga on Mar 4, 2024 22:02:03 GMT -5
The McMahon dvd version of how Black Saturday went. On the dvd the story told was that it was such a success that Ted Turner wanted to buy a part of the WWF. When Vince turned him down he fought to get out of the contract, took it to court and the judge ruled in favor of the WWF and Vince decided he didn't want to work with someone who didn't want to work with him so sold the contract off. It was big nasty Ted Turner who started the feud. Also them basically positioning Ted Turner as this horrible man who Vince valiantly defeated and he didn't let anyone forget it for 20 years. I remember being 15 years old and actually pissed at Ted Turner for trying to destroy my childhood. I can't remember if I actually wrote that letter to the FCC or just planned to, but there was a day when I would have hugged Vince and told him it was gonna be ok.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Mar 5, 2024 2:42:04 GMT -5
I don't know if it fits as 'propaganda' per se, but Briscoe's incessant ass-kissing in the Monday Night Wars video still makes me laugh to this day. And I also learned not to mess with MISTER MACK-MAN! This doc was the moment I lost all respect for Briscoe. Just so craven and pathetic.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Mar 5, 2024 4:47:14 GMT -5
If Slaughter's push worked, they would have not forced him to retire within the year of that main event. I really don't have a clue to why they thought Sheik, Sarg, and Mustafa, who were all 40+, completely immobile and out of shape were going to sell well. Because Vince McMahon would repeatedly convince himself that in-ring wrestling doesn't actually matter, then notice the consequences of pushing guys who can't work and readjust for a while. At the time this happened, Vince had just gotten done wringing every last penny he could get from the physically devastated Andre the Giant and made a fortune doing so, so he figured nobody would care if the spectacle around the match was big enough. Vince has a long history of looking at what works, drawing the wrong conclusions about why it worked then repeating it in an entirely transparent way that doesn't work at all.
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Post by eJm on Mar 5, 2024 5:27:19 GMT -5
Vince has a long history of looking at what works, drawing the wrong conclusions about why it worked then repeating it in an entirely transparent way that doesn't work at all. Ironically, Vince would be ahead of his time in that front and he must be pleased the rest of the entertainment history has caught up.
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Post by Sephiroth on Mar 5, 2024 5:29:15 GMT -5
The Katie Vick story. I absolutely get why it’s mostly glossed over, but if it is referred to at all, it’s treated as some quaint little misstep, “oops, what can ya do?” By every account available, Vince legit thought it was going to draw strong ratings and get heat on triple h. Probably in no small part because they were fresh off the gay wedding story which had done good numbers and drawn a lot of cross exposure. And Vince was amazed that single segment caused a huge drop as people changed the channel in droves.
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Post by eJm on Mar 5, 2024 5:50:13 GMT -5
The Katie Vick story. I absolutely get why it’s mostly glossed over, but if it is referred to at all, it’s treated as some quaint little misstep, “oops, what can ya do?” By every account available, Vince legit thought it was going to draw strong ratings and get heat on triple h. Probably in no small part because they were fresh off the gay wedding story which had done good numbers and drawn a lot of cross exposure. And Vince was amazed that single segment caused a huge drop as people changed the channel in droves. So much so, he booked a segment with HHH mocking offended audiences with a human sized dummy which basically said "If you're offended, don't watch" and another drop happened because people went "Cool, we won't then".
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Post by The Barber on Mar 5, 2024 6:27:03 GMT -5
The McMahon DVD version of...(insert anything here) ...is the correct answer.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Mar 5, 2024 6:44:58 GMT -5
Isn't that what happened? WWE only bought the WCW assets they wanted, not the company itself, while the company only stayed open afterwards so Turner Broadcasting could deal with WCW's unresolved lawsuits. TB didn't officially close WCW as a company until December 2017 for some reason. Basically, but I think "ceased operations" is a better way to phrase it. AOL Time Warner could have kept WCW going if they wanted to, so it's not like they just couldn't afford to keep the doors open. Yeah, WCW the Time Warner subsidiary was technically active as Universal Wrestling Corporation until 2017, mostly to deal with any liabilities left over (for some ass reason, most of the main eventers were signed directly to AOL Time Warner, not WCW). WCW Inc, the WWE owned subsidiary that bought the contracts of about 28 midcarders and most of the copyrights to the company, still exists.
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Post by chrom on Mar 5, 2024 12:31:33 GMT -5
Exactly. MSG was the home arena for the WWWF under Vincent J. They also did real strong local TV numbers. And being in the incredibly strong New York City media market gave Vince K. McMahon such a big head start for his national ambitions. WWWF’s territory also included Philly & Boston. Like NYC, they’re two huge sports cities that also had 2 of the earliest local cable operations. Vince literally couldn’t have picked a better territory to base his expansionist dreams from. He was handicapped the same way in Monopoly if you started off with a million dollars.
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Post by Glitch on Mar 5, 2024 16:29:17 GMT -5
For me the WWE propaganda runs deeper than even facts. It's language. Look at how loads of YouTube channels and news sites use the WWE speak like PLE or especially 'superstar' when they don't have Vince screaming down a headset at them Even with the industry as a whole with the phrase sports entertainment. A lot of people today think the phrase means the theatrical parts of the industry, but that already existed during the territory days. sports entertainment as a phrase merely exists because vince had fragile ego and didn't want to be known as wrestling promoter. So he called himself an entertainer instead. It's like Starbucks and their different names for sizes that means exactly the same thing as small ,medium ,and large.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 5, 2024 17:08:22 GMT -5
That Hulk Hogan ever existed.
All lies.
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Post by wildojinx on Mar 5, 2024 18:40:09 GMT -5
For me the WWE propaganda runs deeper than even facts. It's language. Look at how loads of YouTube channels and news sites use the WWE speak like PLE or especially 'superstar' when they don't have Vince screaming down a headset at them Even with the industry as a whole with the phrase sports entertainment. A lot of people today think the phrase means the theatrical parts of the industry, but that already existed during the territory days. sports entertainment as a phrase merely exists because vince had fragile ego and didn't want to be known as wrestling promoter. So he called himself an entertainer instead. It's like Starbucks and their different names for sizes that means exactly the same thing as small ,medium ,and large. It even extended to rival promotions, I was surprised watching Halloween Havoc and Jim Ross saying "this is sports entertainment" during the main event cage match.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Mar 5, 2024 18:58:53 GMT -5
For me the WWE propaganda runs deeper than even facts. It's language. Look at how loads of YouTube channels and news sites use the WWE speak like PLE or especially 'superstar' when they don't have Vince screaming down a headset at them Vince's obsessive control over language is honestly at least a teensy bit Orwellian in what he intended with it, and it's made the sheer scope of WWE's success into an absolute nightmare of lasting damage. He wanted to control perception and change the way people talked about WWE and by extension all of wrestling, and cast a massive influence over so many little things in the process. And he got it.
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Post by mo on Mar 5, 2024 19:47:05 GMT -5
I don't know if it fits as 'propaganda' per se, but Briscoe's incessant ass-kissing in the Monday Night Wars video still makes me laugh to this day. And I also learned not to mess with MISTER MACK-MAN! “He’ll whup yer butt!” The stooge gimmick wasn’t much of a gimmick at all it turns out.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Mar 5, 2024 19:50:53 GMT -5
Just in general the way talents are emphasised and de-emphasised based on their contractual relationship with the company. Like, I don't expect commentators to read a roll call of champions every time a title is defended, but it's OK to, like, acknowledge Edge as a guy who won a Royal Rumble from #1 instead of just showing Shawn Michaels and Rhea Ripley in the video packages.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Mar 5, 2024 19:53:51 GMT -5
Though to be fair, imagine the history Eric would have written if he had won instead of Vince.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 5, 2024 22:41:38 GMT -5
Though to be fair, imagine the history Eric would have written if he had won instead of Vince. I mean just listen to the history he tries to write now. He's one of the biggest pathological liars in the business.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Mar 5, 2024 23:25:20 GMT -5
So much of Dusty's legacy has been reduced to his late 80s WWF run which just doesn't do justice to his entire career.
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Post by eJm on Mar 6, 2024 0:05:09 GMT -5
Though to be fair, imagine the history Eric would have written if he had won instead of Vince. I mean just listen to the history he tries to write now. He's one of the biggest pathological liars in the business. Bischoff rants about how other companies book things with a lack of self awareness that can almost be admired. Like, I can’t find myself caring about anything Cody/Roman related anymore because of the first stumble, but at the very least I’m not the person who claimed that the main event finish of your biggest event ever was changed because a guy “wasn’t tanned enough”. EDIT: Never mind the fact the last time he had a major job in a big company, he allegedly slept in the locker room whilst Bruce Pritchard did his job for him. It’s really hard to take him seriously as a creative mind in 2024 because of that.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 6, 2024 0:06:21 GMT -5
Any time for the longest time an Indie wrestler came in, they "Worked in Bingo Halls and Armories" before making it to the WWE and were essentially "Welcomed to the Big Leagues"
Not only a comedown on wrestling itself but a lot of these workers were in fact working large venues, and even yknow... the f***ing Tokyo Dome, before going to WWE.
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