|
Post by James Fabiano on Apr 18, 2024 9:41:02 GMT -5
Wanted to make a thread noting all the horrible and downright idiotic decisions Vince has made booking over his life. I am going to start with Vince's obsession with booking Taker against BIGGER guys, who couldn't work and often injured him. Giant Gonzalez, Khali, Mable. Undertaker is Vince's best character creation, but boy did he do everything in his power to ruin the mystique of the character at times TBF there WAS the time when Taker wouldn't sell for anyone shorter than him, soooooo...
|
|
|
Post by James Fabiano on Apr 18, 2024 9:44:42 GMT -5
You really needed the bigger names that elected to stay home and collect money than sign with WWE immediately. That doesn’t excuse the nonsense that happened once it ended. (Kurt Angle being a heel? Austin back to being “the old” stone cold?”) it was like it never happened. But nevertheless, “WWF vs WCW” with only Booker T and DDP being the main event representation from the latter, was always going to be a letdown. And they didn't even need every big name, either. DDP/Booker and couple of people out of Hogan/Hall/Nash/Goldberg/Flair/Sting is a really strong main event threat. Still I doubt the outcome or even booking changed much even if they had someone from the latter pool. Look at how most of the people from said pool WERE treated when they did arrive! (usually cannon fodder for Triple H)
|
|
|
Post by James Fabiano on Apr 18, 2024 9:47:44 GMT -5
Absolutely nuking Bayley’s face run on the main roster (“I don’t want to hurt anyone”, This Is Your Life, losing to Alexa at every opportunity, having Sasha interfere to help her beat Charlotte etc) to the point where she had to turn heel to revitalise her career and it’s only now where Bayley as a face seems doable. When she was on NXT, I thought there was absolutely no way Vince could screw up Bayley. The kids loved her, the adults loved her. Leave it to Vince to find new ways of screwing up. NXT was like the new WCW: not Vince's idea, no main roster push for you.
|
|
|
Post by James Fabiano on Apr 18, 2024 9:51:14 GMT -5
Unless I missed it...ANYTHING with Roman from like 2015-2020?
|
|
|
Post by James Fabiano on Apr 18, 2024 9:53:16 GMT -5
The stone cold heel turn is the worst one he ever made (albeit the idea was brought to him by stone cold). This is one he should have shot down. Then to be handed an out when it wasn’t working, turning him back face to be the wwf leader v the wcw invasion, only to turn him heel again was unforgivably bad. The reaction Austin got when he became “the old stone cold” just makes it inexcusable to stick down this path. The invasion angle as a whole has already been covered by other posters, and this definitely links in with that. As I'll always say about this, terrible business move, but Austin made it work. Does anyone else remember that the heel turn was being predicted months before Mania, because someone (forgot who) found Austin stale at that point? And then I remember the "What" chants. Yeahhhhhh, OP might have a total point.
|
|
|
Post by James Fabiano on Apr 18, 2024 9:54:59 GMT -5
There was always a pettiness of punishing or wrecking those characters he didn't create or push. This was never a new thing. Goes back to the 80s once the WWF was established, by 1987 or so. The ones that got the best pushes were the ones with the WWF makeovers, which weren't always flattering. And then you had ones who got the double whammy like the Red Rooster.
|
|
|
Post by eJm on Apr 18, 2024 10:01:09 GMT -5
As I'll always say about this, terrible business move, but Austin made it work. Does anyone else remember that the heel turn was being predicted months before Mania, because someone (forgot who) found Austin stale at that point? I mean, he made it work but until the InVasion, PPVs were down compared to their equivalents the year before and ratings were dropping by the week. Nobody wanted to see it, nor wanted to see Attitude Era feud retreads.
|
|
fw91
Patti Mayonnaise
FAN Idol All-Star: FAN Idol Season X and *Gavel* 2x Judges' Throwdown winner
Tribe has spoken for 2024 Mets
Posts: 38,960
|
Post by fw91 on Apr 18, 2024 11:04:14 GMT -5
Unless I missed it...ANYTHING with Roman from like 2015-2020? I’ve always wondered, would Roman backlash have been that terrible if Daniel Bryan stayed on the shelf in January 2015. I feel like it’s a bit revisionist to suggest that Roman wasn’t super over in 2013-2014z
|
|
Ben Wyatt
Crow T. Robot
Are You Gonna Go My Way?
I don't get it. At all. It's kind of a small horse, I mean what am I missing? Am I crazy?
Posts: 41,491
|
Post by Ben Wyatt on Apr 18, 2024 11:30:32 GMT -5
Unless I missed it...ANYTHING with Roman from like 2015-2020? They hit on the recipe for success around TLC 2015 when Reigns destroyed HHH after the TLC main event and went on to win the title the next night. Fans were huge into it. PHILLY fans, to boot. Then he dropped it in the Rumble match, that HHH won, which set up the most forgone and least desired Mania main event possible
|
|
|
Post by eJm on Apr 18, 2024 11:51:52 GMT -5
They hit on the recipe for success around TLC 2015 when Reigns destroyed HHH after the TLC main event and went on to win the title the next night. Fans were huge into it. PHILLY fans, to boot. Then he dropped it in the Rumble match, that HHH won, which set up the most forgone and least desired Mania main event possible Oh yeah, the Rumble where he was carted off for a bit before coming back in later on. Because that's what makes for a great babyface, them taking rest breaks. Coming from the same man that booked Hulk Hogan.
|
|
|
Post by ChitownKnight on Apr 18, 2024 12:34:40 GMT -5
They hit on the recipe for success around TLC 2015 when Reigns destroyed HHH after the TLC main event and went on to win the title the next night. Fans were huge into it. PHILLY fans, to boot. Then he dropped it in the Rumble match, that HHH won, which set up the most forgone and least desired Mania main event possible Oh yeah, the Rumble where he was carted off for a bit before coming back in later on. Because that's what makes for a great babyface, them taking rest breaks. Coming from the same man that booked Hulk Hogan. What was also weird about that time period is that if you watched the shows, they were booking Ambrose as the top guy and put more focus on him than Roman (until the February PPV). They had Ambrose as the last guy to be eliminated, had the triple threat build be about him, and he even had a match against HHH when Roman was nowhere to be found. Mania 32 should have been the time to strap Ambrose. But the MITB with all the shield as champions in one night was pretty cool though not gonna lie
|
|
|
Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 18, 2024 12:47:59 GMT -5
Unless I missed it...ANYTHING with Roman from like 2015-2020? I’ve always wondered, would Roman backlash have been that terrible if Daniel Bryan stayed on the shelf in January 2015. I feel like it’s a bit revisionist to suggest that Roman wasn’t super over in 2013-2014z He was still getting noticeable boos well before the rumble, and was nowhere near as over as other people on the roster, Ambrose regularly got cheered over him. Ryback was still pretty damned hot at the time, and there was like one or two other people that were getting cheered as much if not more than him. He was booed at the 2014 Slammy's when he won wrestler of the year.
|
|
|
Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 18, 2024 12:51:48 GMT -5
They hit on the recipe for success around TLC 2015 when Reigns destroyed HHH after the TLC main event and went on to win the title the next night. Fans were huge into it. PHILLY fans, to boot. Then he dropped it in the Rumble match, that HHH won, which set up the most forgone and least desired Mania main event possible Oh yeah, the Rumble where he was carted off for a bit before coming back in later on. Because that's what makes for a great babyface, them taking rest breaks. Coming from the same man that booked Hulk Hogan. no no no... he wasn't carted off that would be silly. He walked to the back on his own power... so he willingly took a rest break...
|
|
nisidhe
Hank Scorpio
O Superman....O judge....O Mom and Dad....
Posts: 5,721
Member is Online
|
Post by nisidhe on Apr 18, 2024 14:20:05 GMT -5
Austin Theory being the future. Worse, that he built up Austin Theory on Finn Balor's back. Hell, for that matter, Balor's burial I'll gladly blame on that old pervert.
|
|
|
Post by eJm on Apr 18, 2024 14:51:52 GMT -5
Oh yeah, the Rumble where he was carted off for a bit before coming back in later on. Because that's what makes for a great babyface, them taking rest breaks. Coming from the same man that booked Hulk Hogan. no no no... he wasn't carted off that would be silly. He walked to the back on his own power... so he willingly took a rest break... Wow! That’s worse!
|
|
TWERKIN' MAGGLE
Crow T. Robot
Black Lives Matter
Posts: 45,728
Member is Online
|
Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Apr 18, 2024 15:05:46 GMT -5
ECW 2006-2010
More specifically/especially everything relating to December to Dismember.
|
|
dav
Hank Scorpio
Posts: 6,030
|
Post by dav on Apr 18, 2024 15:06:02 GMT -5
no no no... he wasn't carted off that would be silly. He walked to the back on his own power... so he willingly took a rest break... Wow! That’s worse!I think that walking back but was something Roman thought up on the fly, only to realise how stupid it was when he went backstage and Triple H asked him what he was doing,
|
|
|
Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 18, 2024 16:23:17 GMT -5
I think that walking back but was something Roman thought up on the fly, only to realise how stupid it was when he went backstage and Triple H asked him what he was doing, Yeah, the story was he was supposed to be wheeled out and Roman decided to walk to the back.
|
|
|
Post by Starshine on Apr 18, 2024 18:54:26 GMT -5
Unless I missed it...ANYTHING with Roman from like 2015-2020? I’ve always wondered, would Roman backlash have been that terrible if Daniel Bryan stayed on the shelf in January 2015. I feel like it’s a bit revisionist to suggest that Roman wasn’t super over in 2013-2014z Him being over didn't necessarily mean those same fans wanted the entire shows built around him. I feel like the Daniel Bryan excuse was just that as a way to sidestep looking at the actual issues with Roman and his push at the time. For example, if they were using his reaction at the Rumble the prior year as a barometer that he was the guy to go with, that ignores the fact he was in there with Batista who was being vehemently rejected, and in all likelihood, almost anyone else in the same position would have been equally cheered over him.
|
|
|
Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 18, 2024 19:11:42 GMT -5
I’ve always wondered, would Roman backlash have been that terrible if Daniel Bryan stayed on the shelf in January 2015. I feel like it’s a bit revisionist to suggest that Roman wasn’t super over in 2013-2014z Him being over didn't necessarily mean those same fans wanted the entire shows built around him. I feel like the Daniel Bryan excuse was just that as a way to sidestep looking at the actual issues with Roman and his push at the time. For example, if they were using his reaction at the Rumble the prior year as a barometer that he was the guy to go with, that ignores the fact he was in there with Batista who was being vehemently rejected, and in all likelihood, almost anyone else in the same position would have been equally cheered over him. Also the crowd didn't care about anyone but Bryan is false... the crowd erupt for Dean Ambrose, Ryback, and Dolph Ziggler. They just got dumped out by the local men.
|
|