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Post by Mister Pigwell on Aug 2, 2007 16:22:23 GMT -5
I never got the Floyd, I've always felt people say they like em just so they can say it. It's like one cool person said Floyd was awesome and it snow balled. I gave them a chance when i was in high school, everyone creamed over them. I just never got it I guess lol Way I see it they were the generations before mines equivalent to KoRn. All hype by their fans but not much real delivery.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Aug 2, 2007 16:32:02 GMT -5
I stopped reading right there....anyone else? Didn't stop reading so much as just kinda scratched my head. I'm comepletely bamboozled by it. It's a new one for sure.
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Post by Franchise on Aug 2, 2007 16:35:19 GMT -5
It doesn't piss me off that anyone enjoys something as long as I dont get exposed to it. With that said, I die a little any time I see someone getting an ignorant rap CD. And before anyone starts yelling at me, what I consider "ignorant rap" 1 - Anything with a pot leaf on the cover 2 - Anything with someone scowling impossibly huge to show their ridiculous grill off 3 - Anything promoting violence 4 - Anything with skanky hoes on the cover Beyond that, go for it.
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Post by Next Level was WRONG on Aug 2, 2007 16:36:22 GMT -5
Appetite for Destruction - Guns n' Roses
I.. I just dont get it. Its crap.
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Post by Jason Todd Grisham on Aug 2, 2007 16:43:16 GMT -5
American Idiot- Green Day I listened to the first five songs and thought it was pretty good, then I listened to the first five songs again in reverse order. I have no idea why the album was so critically lauded. Their songs were as repedative as Nickelback. Have we reached the point where punk is somehow profound? If so I weep for our society.
Meteora- Linkin Park Not ONE song off of that album doesn't hurt my ears. Bonehead lyrics, bonehead production, bonehead rapping, bonehead singing. Horrible, horrible album.
I'm racking my brain for more.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Aug 2, 2007 16:46:28 GMT -5
I don't know about you but the rest of the world reached that point about thirty five years ago when they realised Punk and Hardcore could have a positive message and impact on some people.
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Post by Jason Todd Grisham on Aug 2, 2007 16:50:59 GMT -5
I don't know about you but the rest of the world reached that point about thirty five years ago when they realised Punk and Hardcore could have a positive message and impact on some people. pro·found [pruh-found] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation adjective, -er, -est, noun –adjective 1. penetrating or entering deeply into subjects of thought or knowledge; having deep insight or understanding: a profound thinker.Positive message and impact=/ Profound. By that definition Dr. Phil is profound. The point of punk is that it's NOT profound. That's what I'm getting at.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Aug 2, 2007 16:54:18 GMT -5
I don't know about you but the rest of the world reached that point about thirty five years ago when they realised Punk and Hardcore could have a positive message and impact on some people. pro·found [pruh-found] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation adjective, -er, -est, noun –adjective 1. penetrating or entering deeply into subjects of thought or knowledge; having deep insight or understanding: a profound thinker.Positive message and impact=/ Profound. By that definition Dr. Phil is profound. The point of punk is that it's NOT profound. That's what I'm getting at. So the point of punk is what? I'd be open to another english lesson if you feel like. I'd always assumed it was there to go against the norm, get something across, and to make people think. There's room for someone to sing about farting and drinking wine on a jet ski and there's room for a song like We've got a bigger problem now by the Dead Kennedys. To say punk has never meant to be profound is quite an odd statement.
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Post by Jason Todd Grisham on Aug 2, 2007 16:57:54 GMT -5
a style or movement characterized by the adoption of aggressively unconventional and often bizarre or shocking clothing, hairstyles, makeup, etc., and the defiance of social norms of behavior, usually associated with punk rock musicians and fans.
It's a rebellion against modernity. Any sociopolitical bullcrap is added by individuals, not by the movement at large. It's nihiliistic, it's DIY, it hardly has "deep and penetrating insight" in and of itself.
If it has to be political to be punk then what of the Ramones? They're not punk anymore?
EDIT: Explain to me what "deep and penetrating insight" the Ramones provided.
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Post by Virt McGirt on Aug 2, 2007 17:00:57 GMT -5
Didn't one of Twiztid put an entire record out about smoking pot aswell? A. That would be the Monoxide Child (or just Monoxide now) B. He never explicitly said it was about pot, just that it was "The Chainsmoker EP" C. It's kinda not fair to bring up Twiztid in an ICP argument.
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Post by The Line on Aug 2, 2007 17:02:23 GMT -5
I'm a pretty big PF fan(but my mom's and old hippy, so I was pretty much raised on it). With the exception of a few tracks(The Wall(all parts; despite the fact how terribly misused they are today) and Hey You, which wasn't even in the f***ing movie) really isn't all that good. And take off the last 4 tracks on DSotM(well, actually, brain damage is pretty good.) and combine those with the mentioned Wall tracks, you've got a pretty rad PF album.
The "wish you were here" EP, however, is all good.
Now to the topic at hand.
I never understand the appeal of Anything Three 6 Mafia, Project Pat, or Crunchy Black. I've come up with better raps than a lot of there stuff without really trying.
Again, "American Idoit"
Anything by Weezer After "The Green Album(self-titled)"
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Aug 2, 2007 17:02:24 GMT -5
a style or movement characterized by the adoption of aggressively unconventional and often bizarre or shocking clothing, hairstyles, makeup, etc., and the defiance of social norms of behavior, usually associated with punk rock musicians and fans.It's a rebellion against modernity. Any sociopolitical bullcrap is added by individuals, not by the movement at large. It's nihiliistic, it's DIY, it hardly has "deep and penetrating insight" in and of itself. If it has to be political to be punk then what of the Ramones? They're not punk anymore? I didn't say it had to be political to be punk, i said there's room enough for any sort of message or not within 'punk'. Going against the norm, getting something across and making someone think is exactly the same - all the bands who did make it big within punk and went on to greater critical acclaim did all that by doing everything themselves DIY like you said, ergo going against the norm of a major label, getting across you didn't need Yes-like scales to make what was considered good music at the time, and all other sorts of crap i can't be bothered talking about any more because a million people have argued it a million times. You seem pretty convinced you're 100% right about this so i'm not sure why i continued this facade.
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Post by honsou on Aug 2, 2007 17:05:44 GMT -5
I don't know about you but the rest of the world reached that point about thirty five years ago when they realised Punk and Hardcore could have a positive message and impact on some people. pro·found [pruh-found] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation adjective, -er, -est, noun –adjective 1. penetrating or entering deeply into subjects of thought or knowledge; having deep insight or understanding: a profound thinker.Positive message and impact=/ Profound. By that definition Dr. Phil is profound. The point of punk is that it's NOT profound. That's what I'm getting at. No i disagree, alot of punk is very profound. Even very old school punk can have a profound message, just not of what we expect profound to mean. Mostly it had to do with political subjects. Best example of this is Bad Religion, buy there first cd you can see how you can be both profound and punk at the same time. and with 5 albums, the only thing that really come to my head is all my friends are really into all the killswitch engage albums and i just don't get it, its just repetitive rifts and screaming to me.
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Post by Jason Todd Grisham on Aug 2, 2007 17:06:19 GMT -5
a style or movement characterized by the adoption of aggressively unconventional and often bizarre or shocking clothing, hairstyles, makeup, etc., and the defiance of social norms of behavior, usually associated with punk rock musicians and fans.It's a rebellion against modernity. Any sociopolitical bullcrap is added by individuals, not by the movement at large. It's nihiliistic, it's DIY, it hardly has "deep and penetrating insight" in and of itself. If it has to be political to be punk then what of the Ramones? They're not punk anymore? I didn't say it had to be political to be punk, i said there's room enough for any sort of message or not within 'punk'. Going against the norm, getting something across and making someone think is exactly the same - all the bands who did make it big within punk and went on to greater critical acclaim did all that by doing everything themselves DIY like you said, ergo going against the norm of a major label, getting across you didn't need Yes-like scales to make good music, and all other sorts of crap i can't be bothered talking about any more because a million people have argued it a million times. I'm not arguing against that, I'm saying that punk isn't inheritly profound. Profound isn't just the ability to make people think, I can give you a riddle, is that riddle profound? No, because it was hardly deep and penetrating. So I play simple music with purposely bad singing, wear trashbags and spike my purple hair five feet. Am I making a profound statement about the mind body problem or am I just being who I want to be despite social norms? Is being who I want to be such a profound statement? And I'm sorry, I realized my fault with the pollitical thing after rereading, so I added the edit. It would be helpful if you could get back to answer that.
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Post by Jason Todd Grisham on Aug 2, 2007 17:07:31 GMT -5
No i disagree, alot of punk is very profound. Even very old school punk can have a profound message, just not of what we expect profound to mean. Mostly it had to do with political subjects. Best example of this is Bad Religion, buy there first cd you can see how you can be both profound and punk at the same time. We should eliminate the state. Was I just profound? EDIT: And that has nothing to do with my point. Punk is not INHERITLY profound. People in punk can be profound like people in country can be profound. But the notion of nihilism and DIY is in itself not profound. In fact, nihilism is the opposite of profundity.
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Post by Action Bathturd on Aug 2, 2007 17:08:10 GMT -5
Every album by Radiohead.
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Post by skakid57 on Aug 2, 2007 17:13:01 GMT -5
It was mentioned a little ways back but yeah, emo is crap. Stupid. Garbage. All that stuff. And Linkin Park and Papa Roach, you guys suck fat balls as well.
And I don't consider Green Day emo, their alright.
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Post by Thomas Powers of Paine on Aug 2, 2007 17:13:25 GMT -5
American Idiot - Green Day. So, these guys are socialists now, and people are supposed to care.....why? Sorry guys, no one gives a crap about what rockstars have to say about politics.
Nevermind - Nirvana. The beginning of the end. It led to In Utero which was good, but probably to Cobain's death as well, which was very bad.
Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club - The Beatles. Wildly popular and shamelessly overproduced. Strangely, the two are often correlated.
That's all that comes to mind for now.
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Post by Topher is Human on Aug 2, 2007 17:17:56 GMT -5
Judas Priest - British Steel, good but far from great (especially when you consider their 70s stuff)
Iron Maiden - Killers (Not bad, but no where near their best)
Megadeth - Countdown to Extinction (Seriously, WTF happened here? You get like 4 good songs and that's it)
KISS - Dynasty (I thought they were a Hard Rock/Metal band?)
and the biggest of all...
Master of Puppets - Metallica (It is not a bad album to say the least, but this is FAR from the greatest album in metal, it's FAR from the greatest album in Thrash, it's FAR from the greatest album in 1986 and hell, it's even far from Metallica's best
I mean it's got 8 songs, 3 are great (Battery, Welcome Home and Disposable Heroes), 1 alright (Master of Puppets) but that gets incredibly repeatative and that "technical" bit in the middle is way out of place and simply sucks, then we get another ok track in "Damage Inc." but that song is a real "Paint By Numbers" style song, then we get three peices of shit; The Thing That Should Not Be (The worst song in their thrash tenure), Leper Messiah (The only good part is the break in the middle that rips off Megadeth's Peace Sells) and Orion (Sure it could be a "great fusion of metal and classical", but either way it plods along going nowhere and bores the f*** out of me every time without fail).
So this greatest album ever has only 3 songs that really make a name here and the other 5 just get on my nerves... compare this to the near flawless Ride the Lightning and the very damn good Kill 'Em All).
OK, rant over.
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Post by Thomas Powers of Paine on Aug 2, 2007 17:25:52 GMT -5
^^Que? I guess it's all personal taste, but I can't help but think Master of Puppets was divinely inspired. I like it that much. Of the songs you crapped on, Leper Messiah spoke to my personal experiences, and The Thing That Should Not Be is too Lovecraftian to be hated. I love long insrrumentals like Orion, and Damage Inc. is really the only song on there I consider average.
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