Brain Of F'n J
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Post by Brain Of F'n J on Oct 12, 2007 13:59:49 GMT -5
Just curious ... when will this finally die? Cause, really ... it's been two years since Ep III. Let it go.
Jed Shaffer ~Or, just accept it as an awkward teenage romance, like we ALL had. Or were you Valentino at 16?
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Post by Mr. Backlund on Oct 12, 2007 14:01:47 GMT -5
I think Lucas is kind of the Vince Russo of the film world, except instead of having a Cult that hates him, there's a Cult that pretends everything he makes is brilliant. Both get too much credit or too much blame and can come up with good ideas, but they need to be fine tuned and reeled in to make them watchable.
In my opinion, the wheels started to come off the Star Wars franchise with Return of the Jedi, as signs of stupidity became obvious and started to overtake the series. Compelling storylines got replaced by rehashes of the last entry and everything took a big hit in quality and execution. By the time we launched into the prequels, we were in full-out cheese mode, as a good story in theory (though I would debate that....) got bogged down by terrible execution and an inability to get a decent performance out of any of the actors.
In regards to the actual couple, Portman's not going to win an award for her acting, but she's not a slouch in other film's I've seen her in. Hayden Christensen, on the other hand.....well he sucks in anything I've seen him in (even freaking Goosebumps from the mid-1990s). With Lucas not being able to coach his actors or even really seeming like he cares about how his lines are delivered, only that the special effects are nifty, it's kind of obvious why the two look so akward trying to act in love. One has nothing to work with, the other just can't act.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Oct 12, 2007 14:34:30 GMT -5
I thought Jack and Rose from Titanic were worse. Blasphamy!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Grendel on Oct 12, 2007 15:25:26 GMT -5
No one has yet mentioned Sid and Nancy from Sid and Nancy? The shame ...
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Post by Jiren on Oct 12, 2007 15:26:17 GMT -5
watching them kiss was like watching two wardrobes kiss
They are that wooden
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Oct 12, 2007 15:29:15 GMT -5
I think Lucas is kind of the Vince Russo of the film world, except instead of having a Cult that hates him, there's a Cult that pretends everything he makes is brilliant. Both get too much credit or too much blame and can come up with good ideas, but they need to be fine tuned and reeled in to make them watchable. In my opinion, the wheels started to come off the Star Wars franchise with Return of the Jedi, as signs of stupidity became obvious and started to overtake the series. Compelling storylines got replaced by rehashes of the last entry and everything took a big hit in quality and execution. By the time we launched into the prequels, we were in full-out cheese mode, as a good story in theory (though I would debate that....) got bogged down by terrible execution and an inability to get a decent performance out of any of the actors. In regards to the actual couple, Portman's not going to win an award for her acting, but she's not a slouch in other film's I've seen her in. Hayden Christensen, on the other hand.....well he sucks in anything I've seen him in (even freaking Goosebumps from the mid-1990s). With Lucas not being able to coach his actors or even really seeming like he cares about how his lines are delivered, only that the special effects are nifty, it's kind of obvious why the two look so akward trying to act in love. One has nothing to work with, the other just can't act. Have you seen "My Life as a House"? He does the angst-ridden teen act much better in that one, and has more chemistry with his love interest in that one as well.
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Post by Lick Ness Monster on Oct 12, 2007 15:30:22 GMT -5
As bad as they were, I don't think they can hold a candle to Ben Affleck and Uma Thurman in "Paycheck." Absolutely zilch chemistry there.
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Post by Mr. Backlund on Oct 12, 2007 15:35:44 GMT -5
I think Lucas is kind of the Vince Russo of the film world, except instead of having a Cult that hates him, there's a Cult that pretends everything he makes is brilliant. Both get too much credit or too much blame and can come up with good ideas, but they need to be fine tuned and reeled in to make them watchable. In my opinion, the wheels started to come off the Star Wars franchise with Return of the Jedi, as signs of stupidity became obvious and started to overtake the series. Compelling storylines got replaced by rehashes of the last entry and everything took a big hit in quality and execution. By the time we launched into the prequels, we were in full-out cheese mode, as a good story in theory (though I would debate that....) got bogged down by terrible execution and an inability to get a decent performance out of any of the actors. In regards to the actual couple, Portman's not going to win an award for her acting, but she's not a slouch in other film's I've seen her in. Hayden Christensen, on the other hand.....well he sucks in anything I've seen him in (even freaking Goosebumps from the mid-1990s). With Lucas not being able to coach his actors or even really seeming like he cares about how his lines are delivered, only that the special effects are nifty, it's kind of obvious why the two look so akward trying to act in love. One has nothing to work with, the other just can't act. Have you seen "My Life as a House"? He does the angst-ridden teen act much better in that one, and has more chemistry with his love interest in that one as well. Yeah, my friend from college went bonkers for him (she's a nice girl, but has the mentality of a 13 year old and was still in the "crush" stage in her Junior year of colelge) and I somehow got exposed to a lot of his back catalog through that. It wasn't awful, but he's not particularly good. Simply put, he plays the simplest role as a young adult, the angsty young adult. Big stretch there, huh? He likely had a director who wanted more out of his cast then looking cool for the upcoming toy launch, so he had to elevate his game a bit. However, when he's a few years older, he'll get replaced by another "hot stud" to play the young guy trying to find his way in a world of turmoil and 13 year old girls and my friend from college will swear that new guy is great and forget our dear friend Mr. Cardboard Cutout and the thousands that came before him. The only difference is this one just happens to have played an iconic character (rather poorly, as my last barb for this post).
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Post by CrazySting on Oct 12, 2007 15:45:50 GMT -5
People bitch about titanic because it was so corny and all, but seriously Winslet and DiCaprio have great chemistry.
Jackie Chan has awful chemistry with any actress he's paired with (in English language movies anyway). Partly because I don't buy that all these beautiful twenty something woman are going to be interested in a short, ugly fifty something guy. Even if he does know kung fu.
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Post by AriadosMan on Oct 12, 2007 17:25:03 GMT -5
People bitch about titanic because it was so corny and all, but seriously Winslet and DiCaprio have great chemistry. Jackie Chan has awful chemistry with any actress he's paired with (in English language movies anyway). Partly because I don't buy that all these beautiful twenty something woman are going to be interested in a short, ugly fifty something guy. Even if he does know kung fu. Maybe because English isn't his first language?
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Post by "St. Louis Viper" Buck Summers on Oct 12, 2007 17:29:40 GMT -5
Along with terrible dialogue, Lucas forgot to figure out why exactly Padme would fall in love with the psychopathic mentally unbalanced mass murderer Anakin Skywalker. Daddy issues. It worked for Anakin, and it worked for me.
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Post by CrazySting on Oct 12, 2007 17:55:37 GMT -5
People bitch about titanic because it was so corny and all, but seriously Winslet and DiCaprio have great chemistry. Jackie Chan has awful chemistry with any actress he's paired with (in English language movies anyway). Partly because I don't buy that all these beautiful twenty something woman are going to be interested in a short, ugly fifty something guy. Even if he does know kung fu. Maybe because English isn't his first language? Zhang Ziyi and Michelle Yeoh still manage to have convincing on screen love affairs. Same with Penelope Cruz, Gong Li..etc.
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Post by AriadosMan on Oct 12, 2007 18:04:05 GMT -5
Do they have them with people from a completely different culture though?
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Post by CrazySting on Oct 12, 2007 18:07:18 GMT -5
Do they have them with people from a completely different culture though? Gong Li/Colin Farell. Penelope Cruz/Tom Cruise/Johnny Depp/Matt Damon/Nicholas Cage. Michelle Yeoh/Peirce Brosnan.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Oct 12, 2007 18:15:20 GMT -5
Jackie Chan was in a porno before he got famous, so I guess he had chemistry with someone!
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Post by rra on Oct 12, 2007 21:10:09 GMT -5
Just curious ... when will this finally die? Cause, really ... it's been two years since Ep III. Let it go. Jed Shaffer ~Or, just accept it as an awkward teenage romance, like we ALL had. Or were you Valentino at 16? I've gotten over it. But that helps because save for really liking ANH and EMPIRE....I don't give a damn in general about STAR WARS. Though I've pondered here and there of how to have made the prequels work. The one thing of the prequels I did like was Lucas' plotting of how the villain took over the Republic. Real Caesar/Hitler-esque. That said, even Lucas admits he's not really a good writer. Really, on stuff like THX 1138* and AMERICAN GRAFFITI and especially the first STAR WARS movie, he wrote and rewrote each of those suckers to death till he got them all to work. Really, my complaints aside about the prequels, he had great ideas. If only he could have tinkered with them a little more, and he would have had money. *=After seeing THX finally after his Director's Cut came out, I realized....its one of the great directorial debuts of the 20th century.
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 12, 2007 21:11:56 GMT -5
Just curious ... when will this finally die? Cause, really ... it's been two years since Ep III. Let it go. Jed Shaffer ~Or, just accept it as an awkward teenage romance, like we ALL had. Or were you Valentino at 16? I've gotten over it. But that helps because save for really liking ANH and EMPIRE....I don't give a damn in general about STAR WARS. Though I've pondered here and there of how to have made the prequels work. The one thing of the prequels I did like was Lucas' plotting of how the villain took over the Republic. Real Caesar/Hitler-esque. It's actually pretty similar to how Stalin came to power, which is cool.
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Post by rra on Oct 12, 2007 21:16:54 GMT -5
I've gotten over it. But that helps because save for really liking ANH and EMPIRE....I don't give a damn in general about STAR WARS. Though I've pondered here and there of how to have made the prequels work. The one thing of the prequels I did like was Lucas' plotting of how the villain took over the Republic. Real Caesar/Hitler-esque. It's actually pretty similar to how Stalin came to power, which is cool. Oh yeah, and really those scenes of Palpatine scheming and one realizes that whole backdrop of what he does to instigate the Clone War and taking over as dictator...I dig that. Though I wonder about that whole scene in EP3 when he proclaims an Empire*, and everyone cheers. Would Americans clap and cheer if President Bush declared an American Empire?*=Of course, this is supposed to be B-movie fodder done with massive budgets & CGI, so maybe that question shouldn't matter at all.
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Post by spec on Oct 12, 2007 21:31:18 GMT -5
It's actually pretty similar to how Stalin came to power, which is cool. Oh yeah, and really those scenes of Palpatine scheming and one realizes that whole backdrop of what he does to instigate the Clone War and taking over as dictator...I dig that. Though I wonder about that whole scene in EP3 when he proclaims an Empire*, and everyone cheers. Would Americans clap and cheer if President Bush declared an American Empire?*=Of course, this is supposed to be B-movie fodder done with massive budgets & CGI, so maybe that question shouldn't matter at all. Yeah Palpatine's whole devious rise to total power was very well done. Perhaps they all cheered out of fear, he'd just ordered the jedi slaughter so they knew that anyone who opposed him might have gotten the same treatment. Why was it the Clone War and not the Clone/Droid War? Clone War implies there's only clones involved fighting each other.
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Post by Zane on Oct 12, 2007 21:36:40 GMT -5
I see someone else watched Episode Two on HBO followed by Episode Three.
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