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Post by The OP on Oct 19, 2007 8:16:57 GMT -5
Perfect Plex - (I'll never understand why people love it so much. How is it more powerful than a regular vertical suplex?) I don't think it was supposed to be more powerful per se, just difficult to kick out of because it was so "perfectly" executed. It was a move most of us who were kids then had never seen before, and the announcers sold the move well.
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Post by Palatial Regalia on Oct 19, 2007 8:42:59 GMT -5
The FU is utter crap. It's basically an elevated fireman's carry. The Worm was dumb as hell, as was the People's Elbow. Agree'd. If you think about it, a regular body slam probably would hurt more than the FU, since the FU is mostly just gravity bringing you down whereas a bodyslam is.. a slam. FU is actually more then just gravity, there is the momentum gained from the flipping of your opponent.
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Post by Turd Ferguson on Oct 19, 2007 8:51:30 GMT -5
What about the Tombstone when 'Taker first started doing it.
They would even show the worst possible camera angle that the guy's head was nowhere near the mat.
As time progressed and he got more comfortable doing it without hurting someone, it got to be what it is now.
Kane's Tombstone was more devestating looking because he wouldn't transition from tippie toes to knees, he'd just drop to his knees, looking like it had greater impact.
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Post by Red Impact on Oct 19, 2007 8:59:30 GMT -5
Any clothesline variation. I can't buy a move being a finisher when every face in a tag match does the "repeating clothesline" bit where the heel just jumps up to get it again and again.
Also, any splash variant. I could buy an Umaga or Viscera pulling it off, but anyone who isn't a tub of lard, not really. They look like you'd be hurting yourself just as much as the opponent. Also, any variant that requires the wrestler to slowly climb to the top rope and turn, meaning the opponent has to lay perfectly still for a long-ass time.
Also, on the story of overly theatric moves, I think they're fine, really. Yeah, they require you to completely suspend belief, but I'm doing that anyways when I watch it. They're humiliation moves to be sure.
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Post by The OP on Oct 19, 2007 9:06:55 GMT -5
Any clothesline variation. I can't buy a move being a finisher when every face in a tag match does the "repeating clothesline" bit where the heel just jumps up to get it again and again. . I partly agree with you, except I think the repeating clothesline bit is what's stupid, not clothesline finishers.
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Post by Dynamite Kid on Oct 19, 2007 15:52:07 GMT -5
I am so sick of people saying the FU looks weak. As far as kayfabe, to me it looks no weaker than a stunner, or an Angle Slam, or a Rock Bottom. What if people think all of those are crap, too? Then they have complete justification in calling the FU crap as well. But saying the Rock Bottom or the Angle Slam look more powerful when the FU is weak is just BS.
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Post by Chainsaw on Oct 19, 2007 16:18:59 GMT -5
STFU.
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Post by CMPunkyBrewster on Oct 19, 2007 16:45:30 GMT -5
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Post by r. on Oct 19, 2007 16:59:34 GMT -5
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 19, 2007 17:50:05 GMT -5
Cena doesn't do it badly. He just needs to not, I don't know, make more pained expressions than the guy in the hold.
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Post by Arthur Digby Stamp on Oct 19, 2007 17:56:47 GMT -5
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 19, 2007 18:02:44 GMT -5
It looked pretty good there. Rock Bottom is pretty hit or miss. I actually like the FU for the most part, though when he does it to guys his size, and not through a table, it looks off....
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Post by Dynamite Kid on Oct 19, 2007 18:02:59 GMT -5
My point was more the height and effort put in than anything. I'd say that in kayfabe an FU would have way more impact than a Rock Bottom. A Rock Bottom would surely only have as much impact as a Russian Leg Sweep, whereas an FU has powerslam-type proportions due to the height and momentum.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2007 18:23:10 GMT -5
What if people think all of those are crap, too? Then they have complete justification in calling the FU crap as well. But saying the Rock Bottom or the Angle Slam look more powerful when the FU is weak is just BS. The Rock Bottom and Angle Slam DO look weak. I was glad when Angle started using the Slam as just a spot that didn't win matches. Actually I think the FU looks stronger than the Rock Bottom did sometimes. Rock usually wouldn't get the guy up in the air hardly at all.
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Post by Veladus Jobs To Dead Computers on Oct 19, 2007 18:34:58 GMT -5
Clotheslines? Oh God. I forgot about Jay-Bee-El. Clothesline from Hell is not only the crappiest finisher ever, it's the crappiest named finisher ever. I couldn't buy that move as a finisher when he was a curtain jerker in the APA. As WHC, it was a major factor in me stopping watching Smackdown altogether. What an embarrassing excuse for a finisher.
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Post by Boku AKA Da Green Guy on Oct 19, 2007 18:36:32 GMT -5
Clotheslines? Oh God. I forgot about Jay-Bee-El. Clothesline from Hell is not only the crappiest finisher ever, it's the crappiest named finisher ever. I couldn't buy that move as a finisher when he was a curtain jerker in the APA. As WHC, it was a major factor in me stopping watching Smackdown altogether. What an embarrassing excuse for a finisher. I personally thought it was believable and great, myself.
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Post by Dynamite Kid on Oct 19, 2007 19:09:17 GMT -5
Then they have complete justification in calling the FU crap as well. But saying the Rock Bottom or the Angle Slam look more powerful when the FU is weak is just BS. The Rock Bottom and Angle Slam DO look weak. I was glad when Angle started using the Slam as just a spot that didn't win matches. Actually I think the FU looks stronger than the Rock Bottom did sometimes. Rock usually wouldn't get the guy up in the air hardly at all. I feel my point has more or less been made. I disagree about the CFH though. I thought it often looked devastating, usually defending on the salesman. Billy Gunn and Rikishi used to be able to make it look like it murdered you.
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Post by A Dubya (El Hombre Muerto) on Oct 19, 2007 19:37:06 GMT -5
Nah, the FU is f'n lame.
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Post by Joekishi on Oct 19, 2007 20:34:33 GMT -5
Clotheslines? Oh God. I forgot about Jay-Bee-El. Clothesline from Hell is not only the crappiest finisher ever, it's the crappiest named finisher ever. I couldn't buy that move as a finisher when he was a curtain jerker in the APA. As WHC, it was a major factor in me stopping watching Smackdown altogether. What an embarrassing excuse for a finisher. I personally thought it was believable and great, myself. Greater Sound, greater visual, and more awesome move than the Diamond Cutter imo
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Post by The OP on Oct 19, 2007 20:36:58 GMT -5
I agree. It's a matter of taste, but I like believable finishers like the Clothesline from Hell. Ones I don't like are flashy crap that's not realistic like the C4, which hasn't been mentioned yet in this thread I don't think.
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