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Post by Veladus Jobs To Dead Computers on Oct 19, 2007 22:28:33 GMT -5
I personally thought it was believable and great, myself. Greater Sound, greater visual, and more awesome move than the Diamond Cutter imo .... We're talking about a clothesline here. A clothesline.
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Post by Lionheart on Oct 19, 2007 22:42:30 GMT -5
I have to agree about the clothesline.
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Post by A Dubya (El Hombre Muerto) on Oct 19, 2007 22:42:58 GMT -5
JBL put a lot of force behind his, but still the only clothesline finisher I really, really liked was the Doomsday Device.
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Post by Joekishi on Oct 19, 2007 22:47:44 GMT -5
Greater Sound, greater visual, and more awesome move than the Diamond Cutter imo .... We're talking about a clothesline here. A clothesline. it's the clotheline from hell. throws his whole body into it, drops guys big and small, and visually it's awesome the Clothesline from Hell is different than a weak ass clothesline from jeff hardy or RVD.
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Post by A Dubya (El Hombre Muerto) on Oct 19, 2007 22:54:59 GMT -5
Was the 'Big Wiggle' used as a finisher?
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Post by Veladus Jobs To Dead Computers on Oct 20, 2007 0:38:10 GMT -5
.... We're talking about a clothesline here. A clothesline. it's the clotheline from hell. throws his whole body into it, drops guys big and small, and visually it's awesome the Clothesline from Hell is different than a weak ass clothesline from jeff hardy or RVD. ... No. No, it's not. The fact he falls down with it doesn't mean it's awesome. Look at Taker's clothesline. He leaps in the air and uses not only his own force by gravity pulling down on his far-bigger-than-JBL frame to smash the clothesline. It's ten times better than JBL's ever could hope to be. But in his what, 15 years on the business, has he ever pinned anyone with it?
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Post by Joekishi on Oct 20, 2007 2:22:58 GMT -5
taker and bradshaw are roughly around the same size, taker is just taller
the tombstone was a transition move in puro, often times they would jump and snap it off quickly. but they barely scored the pin.
impact to me of the clothesline from hell is one of the best in wrestling.
but reading your past post.
i can't really take your arguements seriously
btw taker has scored wins with the clothesline over giant gonzales, king kong bundy, yokozuna, and mabel
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Post by x on Oct 20, 2007 2:42:33 GMT -5
I don't understand how a 450 splash or a Shooting Star Press is supposed to have more impact than say, a Frog Splash.
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Post by machinegun on Oct 20, 2007 2:46:22 GMT -5
I don't understand how a 450 splash or a Shooting Star Press is supposed to have more impact than say, a Frog Splash. More momentum since you're spinning
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Post by The Blue Blazer on Oct 20, 2007 2:49:10 GMT -5
Stinkface. Rikishi went from an awesome square driver to rubbing his ass on the guy.
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Post by Veladus Jobs To Dead Computers on Oct 20, 2007 5:06:38 GMT -5
taker and bradshaw are roughly around the same size, taker is just taller the tombstone was a transition move in puro, often times they would jump and snap it off quickly. but they barely scored the pin. impact to me of the clothesline from hell is one of the best in wrestling. but reading your past post. i can't really take your arguements seriously btw taker has scored wins with the clothesline over giant gonzales, king kong bundy, yokozuna, and mabel 1. They're around the same size except one is bigger than the other. ..... Yeah, that makes sense. 2. What's your point here? What has the tombstone got to do with anything? 3. That's fine. After the Benoit threads, I don't take you seriously either. 4. I'm too lazy to look it up, so I'll take your word for it. Point. Though you still fail to explain how a weaker clothesline (i.e. NOT airborne) is a WHC level finisher when people get right back up from his usually.
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Post by Boku AKA Da Green Guy on Oct 20, 2007 5:15:42 GMT -5
taker and bradshaw are roughly around the same size, taker is just taller the tombstone was a transition move in puro, often times they would jump and snap it off quickly. but they barely scored the pin. impact to me of the clothesline from hell is one of the best in wrestling. but reading your past post. i can't really take your arguements seriously btw taker has scored wins with the clothesline over giant gonzales, king kong bundy, yokozuna, and mabel 1. They're around the same size except one is bigger than the other. ..... Yeah, that makes sense. 2. What's your point here? What has the tombstone got to do with anything? 3. That's fine. After the Benoit threads, I don't take you seriously either. 4. I'm too lazy to look it up, so I'll take your word for it. Point. Though you still fail to explain how a weaker clothesline (i.e. NOT airborne) is a WHC level finisher when people get right back up from his usually. 1. He means JBL is thicker than Undertaker. Taker may be taller but JBL is by no means a small man either. 2. Your argument every time has been that a clothesline is a transitional move in a match. So he was drawing upon that to prove you wrong. And he did rather well. 3. No comment. 4. You don't take his word for it because you challenge it after saying that you accept it. If you can't even grasp what it means to debate, I don't think you'll ever get why some view the Clothesline from Hell as a finisher. Also, if you still don't see how a Lariat could be a finisher... Look up Stan Hansen.
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Post by Red 'n' Black Reggie on Oct 20, 2007 6:22:24 GMT -5
i don't think a move as such is bad or good (except for some things, like the worm, or the overdrive, which suck out loud), but the way someone does it. if we're going on the clothesline debate, then look at mma, or boxing, for the point of "realism". everyone throws hooks, but some guys throw hooks better than others, hence they could finish a fight with one. the same goes (i suppose) with the clothesline in wrestling. everyone throws them, but everyone has their own variation. in kayfabe, JBL and hansen had their own technique, which was supposedly more effective than anyone else's.
and if you don't think that the clothesline works visually, then watch the JBL-eddie series for proof. or, for that matter, anything stan hansen has ever done.
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Post by Joekishi on Oct 20, 2007 7:22:59 GMT -5
everyone throws ddt's but only a couple of guys could finish with it.
guys on the indies use the Stunner and Pedigree as the first move of the match, doesn't take away the impact at which Stone Cold or Hunter use it.
Anything can be a finisher it's all in the buildup and delivery.
well except for the overdrive i hate that move.
Drew Mcyntire using the original Flatliner version of that move>>>>>>>>one armed complete shots
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Post by default on Oct 20, 2007 9:26:22 GMT -5
The Canadian Destroier/C4.
I mean... c'mon. They're visually exciting all of the first time you see them, then you realize the logistics of the moves and the fact that half the roster couldn't take the move.
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Post by Firearm: Supposed Big Deal on Oct 20, 2007 9:37:37 GMT -5
The Ass Punch. ;D
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Post by thesunbeast on Oct 20, 2007 9:39:33 GMT -5
FU. It doesn't even look remotely painful. Still better than the STFU. The worst thing about a submission move that comes after a completely random set of moves with no real technical stadegy to work the body down like Hart, Angle or Holly would do. Well, when you'rea wrestler like Cena, you're not suppossed to work a body part, just like any other "instinctive" wrestlers like HBK. Plus, the STFU hurts because of Cena's strength, like the masterlock, not because of the technicality of the move. I'ts one of those moves that, by right, is painfull enough looking to be a special, but has been spoiled by years of guys using it as an average move. I say that the swanton is a pretty move, but if there is ever going to be a conversation about special moves that don't look like they hurt, you would be biased not to mention this one first.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2007 11:44:14 GMT -5
I usually liked the clothesline from hell. It wasn't "Just a clothesline", he got a good running start, really put his body into it and tackled people with it. It didn't look like he "pulled his punches" with it like say a Hacksaw Duggan running clothesline, and of course it was nothing like the light tapping repeated clotheslines you see after a hot tag.
He hit using his whole body, not just a bump with his arm.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2007 12:02:09 GMT -5
I usually liked the clothesline from hell. It wasn't "Just a clothesline", he got a good running start, really put his body into it and tackled people with it. It didn't look like he "pulled his punches" with it like say a Hacksaw Duggan running clothesline, and of course it was nothing like the light tapping repeated clotheslines you see after a hot tag. He hit using his whole body, not just a bump with his arm. agreed i loved the CFH because it looked so stiff, it actually looked like it could end a match
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Post by Veladus Jobs To Dead Computers on Oct 20, 2007 17:09:28 GMT -5
1. He means JBL is thicker than Undertaker. Taker may be taller but JBL is by no means a small man either. 2. Your argument every time has been that a clothesline is a transitional move in a match. So he was drawing upon that to prove you wrong. And he did rather well. 3. No comment. 4. You don't take his word for it because you challenge it after saying that you accept it. If you can't even grasp what it means to debate, I don't think you'll ever get why some view the Clothesline from Hell as a finisher. Also, if you still don't see how a Lariat could be a finisher... Look up Stan Hansen. 1. Taker is still the larger of the two. And as I've said, the impact from Taker's airborne clothesline would by far outdo JBL's "I fall down too!" clothesline. 2. No he didn't. We're comparing a move that kayfabe smashes about 500 pounds of weight on top of your skull that people are popping up from in the little leagues to a move that EVERYONE uses and is popped up from by Val Venis. Apples and oranges, anyone? 4. Uhh, reread what I said. I conceded that Taker had won a few matches with it in a very lengthy career. I never challenged that. I don't know what post you read.
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