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Post by Sparkybob on Apr 7, 2024 22:30:11 GMT -5
He has no reason to be on TV for a long time unless they feel backlash won't sell out without Roman vs Cody III (Which I think will do well regardless of the main event in France).
Maybe even do a rumble surprise might be cool.
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Post by Sparkybob on Apr 7, 2024 22:27:16 GMT -5
As I said in the other thread, I wouldn't have done it at 39 but I can't say it was the wrong decision as it worked out well for most parties involved. Given the question is right or wrong (more opinion-based) versus good or bad (a bit more evidence-based) I will say wrong decision.
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Post by Sparkybob on Apr 7, 2024 22:23:17 GMT -5
I figure we got our answer now
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Post by Sparkybob on Apr 7, 2024 22:00:03 GMT -5
It was a nice change of expectation given everybody before (and after) ran wild for a bit. Not everyone is a bitch, it's probably more of a babyface move to still try to help after losing your title and wrestling two matches in less 24 hours. Like I don't see the dork thing unless you are purposefully want to make someone look terrible (which whatever)
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Post by Sparkybob on Apr 6, 2024 22:49:29 GMT -5
Folks it is possible to have two black powerhouse women on the roster be pushed
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Post by Sparkybob on Apr 6, 2024 22:26:26 GMT -5
It was fine gave it an 8. If I had to pay 60 dollars for it I wouldn't be so happy but for the price it was cool seeing the Rock not look awful in the ring and see some cool entrances.
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Post by Sparkybob on Apr 6, 2024 21:23:14 GMT -5
Since Jade is still quite limited in the ring, what's the over/under on them putting her in a tag team with either Bianca or Naomi to go after the tag titles...... They did it with Omos and it worked fine he just didn't improve in the ring.
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Post by Sparkybob on Apr 6, 2024 16:12:12 GMT -5
Man, jade will be fine. I swear, it's like the pessimism meter is at 50 here sometimes. Yeah she is a work in progress but she's got the hardest thing down, which is having fans care about her and react to her. So many other talents came into WWE with better ring and or mic skills but could not ever make the strong connection with the live crowd. Of course, she can flop and won't be the first person to do so, but I am not sure why there is so much negativity and almost certainty that the live fans will turn on her when she is in a match with headloks. Just odd.
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Post by Sparkybob on Apr 6, 2024 14:16:01 GMT -5
I don't watch NXT, but why is Lyra a bird?
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Post by Sparkybob on Apr 6, 2024 14:10:33 GMT -5
And it isn't like continuing Roman's title reign will benefit whatever challengers he'd hypothetically have, given how every challenger he's had *except* Cody looked like a f***ing doofus in defeat and never recovered. Who are these people who lost to Roman and never recovered? I know you just said literally everyone except Cody but I'm interested to hear the specific reasoning/metrics how some of these names can claim to be worse off because of working with Roman. Because looking at the list it seems to be that many of them benefitted and some even had the peak of their entire careers due to being involved with Roman. Braun Strowman and Bray Wyatt are the only 2 names right away I see who I'd say moved down the card when comparing where they were before Roman feud began v where they were when it ended. Jey/Jimmy/Sami/KO are far better off for working with Roman. Unless you think Jey would be getting these pops without his involvement with Roman? Or Sami was on his way to being the focus of the main events of Survivor Series/RR/EC/WM/NOC anyway without the Roman stuff? KO was going to get a 2nd straight Mania main event and win this time without the Roman effect? Cody would be just as big if he was building to beating Seth for his title and not Roman's? Cena/Brock/Goldberg will always be Cena/Brock/Goldberg. Bryan and Cesaro got boosted back to the main event feuding with Roman after a year or more of midcard stuff. So did Drew actually. I think some of us in our mind jump from 2020 title reign to 2022 Roman feud and forget the 18 months in between when he was having crappy feuds with Corbin and Jinder. Right now he's arguably top 5 hottest people in all of wrestling. Finn's run with Judgment Day is probably the peak of his WWE career. Logan Paul seems to be fine. Seth is main eventing Mania and being cheered over Rock. They all seemed to recover fine. Although I personally don't think getting a main event spot is something you have to "recover" from like it's a bad thing. Maybe if it's something like Billy Gunn getting his face rubbed into an elderly woman's ass and easily losing his only big singles match but cases like that are very rare and more about the person not being main event material anyway. If you're good enough people won't lose faith in you for losing a match. Only one I can see is Finn Balor who probably did lose a lot of momentum until the judgment day stuff which was quite a bit of time but of course, he did get it back. Cesaro did go back to the mid-card after losing to Roman but that was like a 2 month push up the card that was always going to drop him back down. It's like saying AJ Styles killed Rusev momentum by beating him in a WWE title match when just getting that spot was a big accomplishment for Rusev. However I do agree with your point and do wince when I see some folks say someone is done as a main eventer after losing a match and or a feud. I mean how many times have any of us seen/read a comment on how Seth is done as a main eventer and look at him now.
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Post by Sparkybob on Apr 5, 2024 23:12:45 GMT -5
Not sure why such a pushback on the use of business metrics the last few pages when that’s the logical discussion when figuring out whether a company made the right booking decision. And not just business metrics like how big the TV deal is, but actual engagement like TV ratings, and live show attendances. To me it's just weird because there should be some standard to make arguments based on (whether business/fan reactions etc) or else how can there be any back-forth arguing if it boils down to I like it/I didn't like it. There is a difference between not liking something and something being a bad decision and I feel that is where there is an impasse. I just have trouble seeing an argument for why Cody losing last year was a bad decision that isn't fueled by I wanted Cody to win/Roman to lose. Whether one likes that decision or not feels like a separate discussion and one that almost fits a blog post rather than a forum for discussion.
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Post by Sparkybob on Apr 5, 2024 18:49:45 GMT -5
I think Cody losing probably made for a worse post-summer-royal rumble time where the bloodline stuff was stuck in neutral or regressing and Cody was messing around in non title programs.
But I feel this WrestleMania period is hotter in part because the bookers messed around and removed Cody from the Roman match and they got severe backlash for it (a nice indicator of fan interest). What is the alternative mania match for Cody if he won last year? Gunther? Roman part 2? Idk.
Mind you I would have booked Cody to go over and I feel that decision cost them for a bit but post Mania-Summerslam and Rumble to Mania at least gives evidence that it was a fine decision to make in terms of weekly tv shows and profits. Of course fans can say they didn't like it at all and that will also be completely valid. To me at least I don't think there is evidence to say it was bad other than person dislike (which is fine!)
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Post by Sparkybob on Mar 30, 2024 9:07:58 GMT -5
Probably not the best idea if you want to keep Damage CTRL (or its members) with any semblance of credibility though. They’re heels, they’ll be fine Yeah I think the average fan that goes to shows isn't keeping a spreadsheet on wins and losses to determine how much they react to certain. If they think they are cool and are on TV a lot they will get cheer regardless of their w-l ratio. Jey Uso and Chad Gable get good reactions from the crowd without beating everyone in squash matches. I think credibility is now reflected on A)Are you on TV constantly B) Do you do cool stuff/charismatic rather than their W-L. Like JD as a male faction gets their heads kicked in by main eventers and Finn repeatedly lost to Seth but the live audience still reacts to them because they are always on TV and they are seen as cool. What kills people's popularity (Non-Roman division) is not being on TV for a while so even coming back to win a squash means very little. So if Damage CTRL is on TV a bunch after Mania they will be fine.
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Post by Sparkybob on Mar 12, 2024 8:00:35 GMT -5
At some point, some wrestling fans started projecting their own personal dislike, the simple “My favourite wrestler didn’t win tonight”, and not only started taking that booking move as a personal disrespect to them, but also projected that disrespect onto the talent as though they’re supposed to feel the same way. And ever since, it’s been impossible to book a wrestling show because every f***er has stans that believe that their fave has to always win and always has got to get their shit in because ThEy DeSeRvE iT or else the evil booker man hates them/me. If Morgan actually WAS getting the title shot, we’d be hearing from the Lynch stans about why one of the actual top stars of the division is missing out after one of the best in-ring years of her career, “WhY dO tHeY hAtE hEr???”. You may be happy, but someone else isn’t, so the noise remains the same and it NEVER STOPS. Combine that with the pedestal escalation or “Only the main event is important” and “Only WrestleMania is important”, and you end up with this ridiculous situation where anything less than being in the most important match or the year is the same thing as being seen as a stepped-in dog shit. This NEVER used to be an issue, so what the f*** changed? I think there is just so much more wrestling content now than before (WWE branded and social media) that it leads to people feeling more connected to wrestlers. Like where will a Charlie Haas fan in 2004 go to voice their disapproval and a sense of community with other Haas marks? Now you get to learn so much about a performer through their social media and what other fans post of them in their community that it becomes part of their identity to be a fan of a certain wrestler. So when that performer doesn't get booked "right" then it hurts a lot more and that explains the backlash that some fans present. I am not saying people getting more invested in wrestling character as people is a bad thing (does lead to more business for WWE/AEW etc) but the downside is when those fans don't see their favorites win, they get angrier (at both the bookers and the people being their favorites)
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Post by Sparkybob on Mar 10, 2024 21:59:00 GMT -5
I think the Tiffany match makes sense if the plan is Tiffany going straight to beating Bayley after the feud is over. Otherwise getting the tag title with Naomi and one of them turns heel on the other for a summerlsam match seems what they will do.
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Post by Sparkybob on Mar 3, 2024 19:46:40 GMT -5
Just pre-order my first wrestling game in like 10 years. The MY Gm stuff hooked me in.
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Post by Sparkybob on Mar 3, 2024 19:41:40 GMT -5
I just have no interest in people babbling on for almost half the show. That segment could have been half as long. And it hi-jacked this highly anticipated match too. Awful. No offense to those two, but I imagine the crowd if given the choice will vote for a longer bloodline segment than that match going longer. Yes it's not good to miss your time cues but always double standards with stars in any business. Now if a match/segment gets cut that is much worse (like if matches get cut on a PLE).
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Post by Sparkybob on Feb 9, 2024 11:57:01 GMT -5
I don't think you ever have to hand it to the WWE for it's storytelling, but in the end of the day, you can't always predict how fans will react
Last year some people were certain Cody would have gotten booed because it wasn't Sami getting the main event match, but it didn't happen. I have seen numerous people saying Bianca or Seth will get boo'd for their babyface pushes and it didn't happen either. I don't think booking is so easy because you are dealing with fans reacting to things in live action and they aren't always rational (Rock promo when he came back got a lot of cheers).
So does the journey matter? I guess it does but Kofimania was still a sweet moment even though the booking to get there was rough. But people remember the end goal.
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Post by Sparkybob on Feb 9, 2024 10:40:02 GMT -5
Even if it was planned out from the beginning, it's pointless, incoherent, and treading on ground I'm utterly tired of having to deal with in wrestling. I'm personally far more inclined to say they pivoted, because what all has happened in the past week genuinely just does not make any sense for where they wound up, but if it was a work the whole time then great, whatever, it sucks either way but at least they wound up where they should have just gone in the first place. I’d push back on the pointless part. They’ve increased interest in the story and Mania, and reinvigorated the Bloodline story when it’s kind of been limping along for months. It feels fresher now than if Cody simply called out Roman in a rinse and repeat of last year. Yea Roman right now is pretty flat as a character, just a vessel that holds the title Cody needs to beat. At least adding heel Rock can add more spice to the feud (depending how often he will be on TV) than just repeating last year's story.
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Post by Sparkybob on Dec 3, 2023 11:53:53 GMT -5
I’ve been on this board for 18 years, and I’ve learned many things. One of them is that there isn’t one booking criticism in existence that doesn’t get completely dismissed if it’s to the benefit for one’s favourite talent instead. I feel like the issue with “Super Bianca” isn’t with the concept of one talent effortlessly beating others as a concept, no no no, it’s that it isn’t “Super Iyo” instead. The fact we’re already shitting on the possible babyface turn for Bayley that we’ve been GAGGING FOR for the sheer fact that she’s probably gonna beat Kai, Sane and Asuka to get it over is also insane to me. If this is conduct unbecoming of a mod, so be it, but CHILL THE ACTUAL F*** OUT. Shit’s not real, stop acting like it is. It reminds me of quarter ratings (or just ratings in general). If they are good for people I like, ratings matter, if they are bad for people I like, who cares about ratings? Which is fine people can be biased and hypocritical. I just think it will help people to admit that we are all Bob Holly at heart when regarding booking our favorites "And Bob’s idea was, ‘Hey, I got an idea. How about you give me the belt!’ The follow-up question was, ‘Okay, then what?’ ... ‘Then I beat everybody!’”
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