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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Aug 4, 2007 23:52:21 GMT -5
I remember Aries said at the ROH show that Homicide's was the next that comes up. Hmmm, I wonder how Homicide would do in the WWE? He isn't a giant, but he also isn't a small man either. He probably wouldn't be allowed to use the Cop Killa, and the name Homicide probably would be a big no no, too. Yeah, Homicide in WWE wouldn't work in the current environment. His name, and his whole routine aren't really what Vince and co. is in the market for right now.
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Post by mysterydriver on Aug 4, 2007 23:52:56 GMT -5
Damn, I didn't know TNA was a life and death thing to some people. Of course it is. Don't you remember? If you don't like TNA, then YOU HAVE NO SOUUUUUUUUUL!!! Life is pretty hard without a soul. Man...It's so much fun using Don West Quotes.
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Post by Michael Coello on Aug 4, 2007 23:53:46 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind Test as much if they acted like he was a new guy. The moment he shows up, Tenay goes into a seizure about, "Look! It's Andrew Martin! Formally known as Test! Andrew Martin is here!" Why couldn't be, "Look at this Don! Who is that coming down the ramp?" "He's huge!" "He's cleaning house! Is this the back-up that Sting hinted to earlier?!" "Look at that BIG BOOT! RIGHT IN THE FACE! This guy's clearing house!" "He caught AJ! Sting & Abyss have found a third man to stop the handicap situ--" "HE JUST THREW AJ ONTO CHRISTIAN AND TOMKO!" "What power!" Then have him introduce himself as "The Punisher" Andrew Martin. People could make the connection if they wanted...but it would make him seem less like a WWE Reject as people claim. I know, Lex Luger's WcW debut consisted of Tony Schivonne going nuts about "Lex Luger! What is HE doing here!" but that was a different time and Luger was a star whose jumped helped start the monday night wars. Then, we they seemingly did it every other week, "Mike Awesome? Here!" "Lance Storm! He doesn't work for us!" "[Insert name]! Why would he invade this show?!" It lost it's effect. Now it just seems weak and forced. Of course that's my opinion, and from some of the posts I've seen, I know that some won't agree with me. I'm fine with that. I just wanted to try and explain my point. Then people would complain about being insulting their intelligence. "Look at TNA trying to pass this guy as some new guy, when it's the same shit in a different wrapper, and why can't we have Brian Danielson or Matt Morgan with this blah blah blah blah."
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Post by EJS on Aug 4, 2007 23:54:28 GMT -5
Homicide = 3rd member of Cryme Tyme.
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Post by mysterydriver on Aug 4, 2007 23:54:36 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind Test as much if they acted like he was a new guy. The moment he shows up, Tenay goes into a seizure about, "Look! It's Andrew Martin! Formally known as Test! Andrew Martin is here!" Why couldn't be, "Look at this Don! Who is that coming down the ramp?" "He's huge!" "He's cleaning house! Is this the back-up that Sting hinted to earlier?!" "Look at that BIG BOOT! RIGHT IN THE FACE! This guy's clearing house!" "He caught AJ! Sting & Abyss have found a third man to stop the handicap situ--" "HE JUST THREW AJ ONTO CHRISTIAN AND TOMKO!" "What power!" Then have him introduce himself as "The Punisher" Andrew Martin. People could make the connection if they wanted...but it would make him seem less like a WWE Reject as people claim. I know, Lex Luger's WcW debut consisted of Tony Schivonne going nuts about "Lex Luger! What is HE doing here!" but that was a different time and Luger was a star whose jumped helped start the monday night wars. Then, we they seemingly did it every other week, "Mike Awesome? Here!" "Lance Storm! He doesn't work for us!" "[Insert name]! Why would he invade this show?!" It lost it's effect. Now it just seems weak and forced. Of course that's my opinion, and from some of the posts I've seen, I know that some won't agree with me. I'm fine with that. I just wanted to try and explain my point. Then people would complain about being insulting their intelligence. "Look at TNA trying to pass this guy as some new guy, when it's the same crap in a different wrapper, and why can't we have Brian Danielson or Matt Morgan with this blah blah blah blah." You can't please everyone. ... I do kind of wish they would've used Morgan instead of Test. There. I said it. Are you happy now?
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Post by erisi236 on Aug 4, 2007 23:55:24 GMT -5
TNA also just hired Ricky Banderas, doesn't that count for anything? ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) I'm pumped for a WSX invasion. I'd mark Los Pochos Guapos Vs LAX D.I.F.H Vs MCMG Human Tornado Vs Jay Lethal how great would that be?
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Post by Michael Coello on Aug 4, 2007 23:56:37 GMT -5
Damn, I didn't know TNA was a life and death thing to some people. I am just SOOOO tired of people using old ass thnins that aren't relevent anymore "TNA mocks WWE a lot" When was the last thing? 6 months ago? More? "TNA puts the belts on ex-WWE guys and ignores their own people" Read the whole post about 10 and 5 and such. "Why is TNA trying to call themselves the best when they suck?" It's called advertising, bitch! You don't call yourself rap and still get a million people to watch.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Aug 4, 2007 23:56:44 GMT -5
Hmm, it should be interesting. I wonder what some TNA stars see in WWE and may see them as greener pastures.
Marcus Cor Von has been pretty successful. He's been off Tv recently, but because of tragic circumstances. Cassidy James is doing a lot better then he ever did in TNA with being part of the former OVW Tag Team Champions, the James Boys, which is a nice little Memphis-esque tag team. And Sonny Siaki hasn't quite reached the heights he did in TNA, but time will tell to see how he would fare in the WWE.
It will be an interesting couple of months anyway, especially with TNA's possible expansion.
It's weird. It seems the established WWE stars who are disgruntled want to go to TNA, and the established TNA stars who are disgruntled want to go to WWE.
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Post by EJS on Aug 4, 2007 23:57:06 GMT -5
I'm pumped for a WSX invasion. I'd mark Los Pochos Guapos Vs LAX D.I.F.H Vs MCMG Human Tornado Vs Jay Lethal how great would that be? Vampiro Vs Sting!
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Post by mysterydriver on Aug 4, 2007 23:58:25 GMT -5
I'm pumped for a WSX invasion. I'd mark Los Pochos Guapos Vs LAX D.I.F.H Vs MCMG Human Tornado Vs Jay Lethal how great would that be? It would truly be great. Matt Classic Vs. Bob Backlund!
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Post by comahan on Aug 4, 2007 23:59:58 GMT -5
The issue is that TNA kept trying to push themselves as different than WWE and give new guys chances. But then they seem to sign everyone that gets released by the WWE regardless of whether they can help. no one is saying that signing Christian or Angle is stupid, but Test? The Bashams? Team 3D still around? there's plenty of young hungry guys on the indy scene they could use for the exact same thing. To say that it would be smart on TNA's part to fire Team 3D, one of the biggest names in Tag team wrestling, while they are trying to make a push for a primetime slot, and now a two hour show, in favor of a few guys that no one has ever heard of, even if they are more talented, is ludicrous.
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Post by Michael Coello on Aug 5, 2007 0:01:15 GMT -5
Mick Grimes vs Roxxi Laveaux?
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Aug 5, 2007 0:19:51 GMT -5
The issue is that TNA kept trying to push themselves as different than WWE and give new guys chances. But then they seem to sign everyone that gets released by the WWE regardless of whether they can help. no one is saying that signing Christian or Angle is stupid, but Test? The Bashams? Team 3D still around? there's plenty of young hungry guys on the indy scene they could use for the exact same thing. To say that it would be smart on TNA's part to fire Team 3D, one of the biggest names in Tag team wrestling, while they are trying to make a push for a primetime slot, and now a two hour show, in favor of a few guys that no one has ever heard of, even if they are more talented, is ludicrous. Here's the problem. Ask 100 casual wrestling fans who Team 3D is, and they will give you a blank stare right back. People don't know Team 3D. They know the Dudley Boyz, and probably don't know them, at that. The casual fan could give a crap less about a fat guy that yells alot and his black partner than only says one or two words at a time.
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Post by Michael Coello on Aug 5, 2007 0:23:52 GMT -5
To say that it would be smart on TNA's part to fire Team 3D, one of the biggest names in Tag team wrestling, while they are trying to make a push for a primetime slot, and now a two hour show, in favor of a few guys that no one has ever heard of, even if they are more talented, is ludicrous. Here's the problem. Ask 100 casual wrestling fans who Team 3D is, and they will give you a blank stare right back. People don't know Team 3D. They know the Dudley Boyz, and probably don't know them, at that. The casual fan could give a crap less about a fat guy that yells alot and his black partner than only says one or two words at a time. Ask 100 guys, they might not know who Team 3D are. Show them a photo or small clip, and they'll probably make the connection of "OOH! Those are the Dudleys! Get the tables! Bla blah bla!" and may or many not watch. Ask 100 guys about a indy team, they may not know. Show them a photo of who they are, and they still will not know.
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Post by EvilMasterBetty, Esq. on Aug 5, 2007 0:26:34 GMT -5
To say that it would be smart on TNA's part to fire Team 3D, one of the biggest names in Tag team wrestling, while they are trying to make a push for a primetime slot, and now a two hour show, in favor of a few guys that no one has ever heard of, even if they are more talented, is ludicrous. Here's the problem. Ask 100 casual wrestling fans who Team 3D is, and they will give you a blank stare right back. People don't know Team 3D. They know the Dudley Boyz, and probably don't know them, at that. The casual fan could give a crap less about a fat guy that yells alot and his black partner than only says one or two words at a time. not to mention if they have, they're probably tired of the act. Team 3D has run their course. They really don't have much more to do but put over younger teams. Plus i guarantee if they left, TNA would not be hurt by it. No one is tuning in just for them. they should have them put over a couple young teams and let them go. There's nothing left for them to do but take up roster space.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Aug 5, 2007 0:29:18 GMT -5
Here's the problem. Ask 100 casual wrestling fans who Team 3D is, and they will give you a blank stare right back. People don't know Team 3D. They know the Dudley Boyz, and probably don't know them, at that. The casual fan could give a crap less about a fat guy that yells alot and his black partner than only says one or two words at a time. not to mention if they have, they're probably tired of the act. Team 3D has run their course. They really don't have much more to do but put over younger teams. Plus i guarantee if they left, TNA would not be hurt by it. No one is tuning in just for them. they should have them put over a couple young teams and let them go. There's nothing left for them to do but take up roster space. Yep. 3D's routine is the same in 2007 as it is was in 1999. That's not good. At all. Time to give the younger guys the chance to become the stars that they were ten years ago.
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Post by Michael Coello on Aug 5, 2007 0:35:37 GMT -5
not to mention if they have, they're probably tired of the act. Team 3D has run their course. They really don't have much more to do but put over younger teams. Plus i guarantee if they left, TNA would not be hurt by it. No one is tuning in just for them. they should have them put over a couple young teams and let them go. There's nothing left for them to do but take up roster space. Yep. 3D's routine is the same in 2007 as it is was in 1999. That's not good. At all. Time to give the younger guys the chance to become the stars that they were ten years ago. But how do you give the younger guys a chance? Oh, that's right. By letting them go against the older guys. No one can give a shit about a young, unknown tag team. Look at the Majors and face The Naturals sans manager for proof of that. When they get a chance to establish themselves, then they can go and be this legit tag team. Some people have charisma to help, but you need guys like Team 3D to help getting some of these f***ers over.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Aug 5, 2007 0:36:43 GMT -5
Yep. 3D's routine is the same in 2007 as it is was in 1999. That's not good. At all. Time to give the younger guys the chance to become the stars that they were ten years ago. But how do you give the younger guys a chance? Oh, that's right. By letting them go against the older guys. No one can give a crap about a young, unknown tag team. Look at the Majors and face The Naturals sans manager for proof of that. When they get a chance to establish themselves, then they can go and be this legit tag team. Some people have charisma to help, but you need guys like Team 3D to help getting some of these smurfers over. But here's the problem. When the old guys squash the young guys and make them look like morons, how is that helping them? It's not.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Aug 5, 2007 0:38:29 GMT -5
Here's the problem. Ask 100 casual wrestling fans who Team 3D is, and they will give you a blank stare right back. People don't know Team 3D. They know the Dudley Boyz, and probably don't know them, at that. The casual fan could give a crap less about a fat guy that yells alot and his black partner than only says one or two words at a time. not to mention if they have, they're probably tired of the act. Team 3D has run their course. They really don't have much more to do but put over younger teams. Plus i guarantee if they left, TNA would not be hurt by it. No one is tuning in just for them. they should have them put over a couple young teams and let them go. There's nothing left for them to do but take up roster space. To be fair, Team 3D are starting to refresh themselves by becoming heels. Plus, Team 3D and the Steiner Brothers are main event type tag teams. And in tag team wrestling nowadays, main event level tag teams haven't been around since the days of the Midnight Express and the Rock n' Roll Express. I'd be really interested to see a feud between these two teams unfold to be quite honest. I think it would make for good television. Both Brother Ray and Scott Steiner are great talkers, so just seeing them insult each other would be worth the price of the pay per view alone. I think the whole issue of TNA using established WWE/WCW talent is a double edged sword. On one hand, it's not like most of these wrestlers are slacks. They didn't become established names by coincedence, accident or just by the office pushing them. They helped get themselves over based on their own merit. Also, not all former WWE talent is established WWE talent. I think considering Matt Morgan as just a former WWE star would be a little bit over the top I think. But the point I'm trying to make is, these guys got over because they have something special. As much as it seems cheap that WCW took advantage of former WWE talent to get popular, they should be credited by turning the buisness around from the misery it was in in the mid 90s. So basically, when you use former WWE talent, and put them against your homegrown talent, it helps get the homegrown talent over, while keeping the established names fresh. Rhino - James Storm. Christian - Chris Harris. Sting - Abyss. Angle - Joe. And so forth. However, a huge issue is it seems that the WWE guys will get preferential treatment as compared to the established TNA stars. While Sting gets a big money contract to wrestle in TNA, Sonjay Dutt is told that TNA won't pay for his MRI. While Kurt Angle and Christian Cage are pushed strongly in a feud, Samoa Joe wasn't really in the picture that much, until just recently. While Team 3D, The Steiners and VKM are on television a lot, guys like the Machine Guns and LAX aren't featured as often. Christopher Daniels seems like he's getting a world title push, but quickly loses to Sting to end the feud, and is pushed back down the card. So it's a double edge sword. It's not like all TNA talent are pushed down, but bringing in more established WWE talent, and not that many names who aren't that established (except for Ricky Bandaras) shows that they are mostly interested in established talent, instead of guys trying to make a name for themselves.
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Post by Michael Coello on Aug 5, 2007 0:39:17 GMT -5
But how do you give the younger guys a chance? Oh, that's right. By letting them go against the older guys. No one can give a crap about a young, unknown tag team. Look at the Majors and face The Naturals sans manager for proof of that. When they get a chance to establish themselves, then they can go and be this legit tag team. Some people have charisma to help, but you need guys like Team 3D to help getting some of these smurfers over. But here's the problem. When the old guys squash the young guys and make them look like morons, how is that helping them? It's not. I'm speaking in general, but when it comes to Team 3D, you can't say they squashed teams, when they kept getting beat by LAX for a few matches, and then they lost. Also, they along with VKM ran away when LAX ran in to help the Steiners. Still, if all things were perfect, you can't just throw in some unknown team and expect people to shatter the roof whenever they appear. That shit does not happen unless they get some credibility or charisma.
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