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Post by hollywood on Aug 5, 2007 0:45:08 GMT -5
I'd be thrilled to see guys like Homicide, Joe, and others return to ROH. I'd be happy to see them move on to WWE. Basically, I think it'd be great for the young guys to jump ship and let TNA finally reach its apparent goal of being a WWE Retirement Home.
And I make no apologies for feeling that way. The young talents are primarily used as nothing but glorified jobbers for these older guys. Hell, at least it WWE when you get predigree'd or brainchopped you get a healthy paycheck.
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Post by Michael Coello on Aug 5, 2007 0:48:57 GMT -5
Can you really compare Sting to Sonjay Dutt? This was a signing from 2005 or 06, an the other is an injury. If you were to say, Scott Steiner getting paid by TNA for his problem(not saying they did, cause I have no clue about that) compared to Sonjay, would be a better comparison.
Also, Joe has mostly been all about the world title since No Surrender or so. During Monster's Ball, he ignored the match to piss off Jarrett and take his belt. Joe did the angle feud, played enforcer at Against All odds, and then went after the belt at Destination X. He was part of the match at Slammi, and at Victory Road. Now he's facing the champ at HJ.
And VKM were not on TV a lot. Sometimes, they weren't on the show except for one, and they were a last minute add for Victory Road. You can't really compare them to Team 3D and Steiners.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Aug 5, 2007 0:50:55 GMT -5
On the issue with Team 3D as well, I think it's completely foolish to not want them in any company. When you look at modern professional wrestling and its tag teams, Team 3D is in the same league as The Hart Foundation, The British Bulldogs, The Road Warriors, The Rock n' Roll Express, the Midnight Express, Demolition, The Steiner Brothers, The Freebirds, The Hardys, Edge and Christian, just to name a few. Team 3D is arguably one of the top 5 tag teams in modern wrestling, and I think anyone could make a good case in saying they maybe the greatest of all time. Why would you not want a commodity like that in tag team wrestling in your company. Especially if you want a block buster division.
Hell, even VKM, who were one of the most over tag teams during the most popular era in professional wrestling. They probably belong up there too. When you have tag teams like these, why not use them. Yes, help to get over your younger tag teams, but remember this saying. If everybody goes over, then nobody gets over. And of course, the best way to become a star is to beat a star.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Aug 5, 2007 0:54:32 GMT -5
Can you really compare Sting to Sonjay Dutt? This was a signing from 2005 or 06, an the other is an injury. If you were to say, Scott Steiner getting paid by TNA for his problem(not saying they did, cause I have no clue about that) compared to Sonjay, would be a better comparison. Also, Joe has mostly been all about the world title since No Surrender or so. During Monster's Ball, he ignored the match to piss off Jarrett and take his belt. Joe did the angle feud, played enforcer at Against All odds, and then went after the belt at Destination X. He was part of the match at Slammi, and at Victory Road. Now he's facing the champ at HJ. And VKM were not on TV a lot. Sometimes, they weren't on the show except for one, and they were a last minute add for Victory Road. You can't really compare them to Team 3D and Steiners. The example with Sonjay Dutt is showing how it seems TNA treats its lower talent, where they can give out big money contracts, but won't help out their talent that's stayed with the company. So I think it's a great example. Also, Joe was made to look somewhat weak at Slammiversery with not getting a pin and getting punked when he tried to shake Angle's hand. And even a little before then, he was seemingly lost in the shuffle. And while they haven't been on as much as the Steiners and Team 3D (which is understandable saying who they are), they've been on more then the others I've mentioned in recent months.
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Post by EJS on Aug 5, 2007 0:55:25 GMT -5
VKM's booking has made so little sense all year though... No one except them got anything out of the whole Christy Hemme feud. Bashams... are they still even employed? Hemme, doing nothing, Hoyt got a heel turn that made no sense, and is now doing nothing.
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Post by Nice Guy Cody on Aug 5, 2007 0:55:56 GMT -5
Y'know.
If Joe decided not to resign in Sept/Oct, and was willing to go back to ROH for a couple of months until a certain Japanese legend paid a visit to the promotion. And then he set his eyes on WWE or wherever . . .
Well, that'd be just swell.
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Post by erisi236 on Aug 5, 2007 0:57:10 GMT -5
Just a question but did TNA hire Matt Morgan? I thought I heard that somewhere on here, and if so does he count as a WWE "Reject"? He hasn't been in WWE for 2 years now so I wonder. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by EJS on Aug 5, 2007 0:58:02 GMT -5
Morgan is in TNA, yes. You should see him debut soon.
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Post by Michael Coello on Aug 5, 2007 1:00:02 GMT -5
Can you really compare Sting to Sonjay Dutt? This was a signing from 2005 or 06, an the other is an injury. If you were to say, Scott Steiner getting paid by TNA for his problem(not saying they did, cause I have no clue about that) compared to Sonjay, would be a better comparison. Also, Joe has mostly been all about the world title since No Surrender or so. During Monster's Ball, he ignored the match to piss off Jarrett and take his belt. Joe did the angle feud, played enforcer at Against All odds, and then went after the belt at Destination X. He was part of the match at Slammi, and at Victory Road. Now he's facing the champ at HJ. And VKM were not on TV a lot. Sometimes, they weren't on the show except for one, and they were a last minute add for Victory Road. You can't really compare them to Team 3D and Steiners. The example with Sonjay Dutt is showing how it seems TNA treats its lower talent, where they can give out big money contracts, but won't help out their talent that's stayed with the company. So I think it's a great example. Also, Joe was made to look somewhat weak at Slammiversery with not getting a pin and getting punked when he tried to shake Angle's hand. And even a little before then, he was seemingly lost in the shuffle. And while they haven't been on as much as the Steiners and Team 3D (which is understandable saying who they are), they've been on more then the others I've mentioned in recent months. I say it doesn't cause you seem to put Sonjay and Sting on the same level and for different reasons. I'm just saying to keep it equal, injury to injury, signing to signing. Besides, what does Sting making money have to do with Sonjay and his injury? If they didn't have Sting, they might pay or Sonjay's thing? Also, an argument can be made with Angle screwing Joe over on a pin due to knocking out the referee just as Joe has Angle down for the submission and he's tapping out to it.
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Post by hollywood on Aug 5, 2007 1:00:40 GMT -5
Morgan is in TNA, yes. You should see him debut soon. I also hear they signed Ricky Banderas? What's the holdup on their debuts? TNA didn't waste anytime with Test?
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Post by Michael Coello on Aug 5, 2007 1:02:30 GMT -5
Morgan is in TNA, yes. You should see him debut soon. I also hear they signed Ricky Banderas? What's the holdup on their debuts? TNA didn't waste anytime with Test? Morgan is next week, and Banderas has to wait until this feud is over to start his own. Test fit cause there was an opening in the feud.
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Post by EJS on Aug 5, 2007 1:03:51 GMT -5
Morgan is in TNA, yes. You should see him debut soon. I also hear they signed Ricky Banderas? What's the holdup on their debuts? TNA didn't waste anytime with Test? They've been running promos for Banderas for a couple months. He's Mitchell's new monster. That was most likely his (or kayfabe his at least) arm that pulled Abyss under the ring on Impact. So expect him to interfere in Abyss's PPV match or on the Impact after.
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Post by hollywood on Aug 5, 2007 1:04:31 GMT -5
I also hear they signed Ricky Banderas? What's the holdup on their debuts? TNA didn't waste anytime with Test? Morgan is next week, and Banderas has to wait until this feud is over to start his own. Test fit cause there was an opening in the feud. That opening couldn't have been filled by Banderas? Who they signed quite some time ago, if I'm not mistaken? It's not like Test is any more over than someone people have never heard of. EDIT: Well, I based on HadesGigas' comments, I suppose they're doing something with Banderas. I don't keep up with TNA too regularly, I'll admit.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Aug 5, 2007 1:06:18 GMT -5
The example with Sonjay Dutt is showing how it seems TNA treats its lower talent, where they can give out big money contracts, but won't help out their talent that's stayed with the company. So I think it's a great example. Also, Joe was made to look somewhat weak at Slammiversery with not getting a pin and getting punked when he tried to shake Angle's hand. And even a little before then, he was seemingly lost in the shuffle. And while they haven't been on as much as the Steiners and Team 3D (which is understandable saying who they are), they've been on more then the others I've mentioned in recent months. I say it doesn't cause you seem to put Sonjay and Sting on the same level and for different reasons. I'm just saying to keep it equal, injury to injury, signing to signing. Besides, what does Sting making money have to do with Sonjay and his injury? If they didn't have Sting, they might pay or Sonjay's thing? Also, an argument can be made with Angle screwing Joe over on a pin due to knocking out the referee just as Joe has Angle down for the submission and he's tapping out to it. I'm not saying that Sonjay Dutt and Sting are on the same level, I'm actually saying the exact opposite. I'm using Sting's pay as an example for they are willing to pay one guy a whole lot of money to wrestle there, but they can't pay for a guy's MRI. I'm not saying pay Sonjay what they're paying Sting, I'm saying that a guy like Sting is making good money, while a guy like Sonjay Dutt can't even get his MRI paid for. I'm not saying they're on the same level, I'm just saying that an established talent is getting big money, while one guy can't get an MRI, and I don't think it's fair. If they could pay Sting a big salary, why can't they pay for Sonjay's MRI?
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Post by Michael Coello on Aug 5, 2007 1:06:55 GMT -5
Morgan is next week, and Banderas has to wait until this feud is over to start his own. Test fit cause there was an opening in the feud. That opening couldn't have been filled by Banderas? Who they signed quite some time ago, if I'm not mistaken? It's not like Test is any more over than someone people have never heard of. Banderas was being hyped up for a month to be the next monster, showing parts of his body as clues and stuff. You can't abandon that so he joins where Test is. Besides that, you would still have Test cause he would have to be the monster since Banderas is the Anti-Tomko.
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Post by hollywood on Aug 5, 2007 1:09:18 GMT -5
That opening couldn't have been filled by Banderas? Who they signed quite some time ago, if I'm not mistaken? It's not like Test is any more over than someone people have never heard of. Banderas was being hyped up for a month to be the next monster, showing parts of his body as clues and stuff. You can't abandon that so he joins where Test is. Besides that, you would still have Test cause he would have to be the monster since Banderas is the Anti-Tomko. Like I said, I've missed Banderas' promos, because I don't watch regularly. I did tune in this week for a moment and was graced with Eric Young apparently being "tarred and feathered."
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Post by Error on Aug 5, 2007 1:10:26 GMT -5
Banderas was being hyped up for a month to be the next monster, showing parts of his body as clues and stuff. You can't abandon that so he joins where Test is. Besides that, you would still have Test cause he would have to be the monster since Banderas is the Anti-Tomko. Why not Morgan as the "anti-Tomko", Banderas as the monster and no Test?
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Post by erisi236 on Aug 5, 2007 1:11:46 GMT -5
Just think, we're only a Lance Storm signing away from a potential Un-Americans reunion. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png)
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Post by Michael Coello on Aug 5, 2007 1:12:17 GMT -5
Banderas was being hyped up for a month to be the next monster, showing parts of his body as clues and stuff. You can't abandon that so he joins where Test is. Besides that, you would still have Test cause he would have to be the monster since Banderas is the Anti-Tomko. Why not Morgan as the "anti-Tomko", Banderas as the monster and no Test? Then you have Test next week instead.
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Post by hollywood on Aug 5, 2007 1:12:59 GMT -5
Banderas was being hyped up for a month to be the next monster, showing parts of his body as clues and stuff. You can't abandon that so he joins where Test is. Besides that, you would still have Test cause he would have to be the monster since Banderas is the Anti-Tomko. Why not Morgan as the "anti-Tomko", Banderas as the monster and no Test? I'd just like to second the notion of no Test at all. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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