Samoa Joe update

[leemir]

thesmallerkhali said:

godson said:

Joe is too laid back and chill to do all that politics. Punk is different because he always wanted to be in the WWE, that was his main goal. Joe and Danielson on the other hand is different. Joe personality and WWE just don't match. It would be a bad relationship.

Since when did you know Joe personally? And how he acts?

Yeah, Joe hasn't been very laid back in TNA. He's gotten in trouble for being outspoken on how he's been used & everything.

[Agent P]

Well if he goes to WWE, he shouold drag AJ with him. They were at an Indy show here in Hazleton last night and it was the best match I have ever witnessed live.

[Joekishi]

andrew8798 said:

Former X-Division champion Samoa Joe has been telling people that he would rather accept an entry level WWE contract (believed to be $50,000 per year), rather than resigning with TNA. Joe is not happy in TNA, and doesn’t want to stay with the company when his current contract expires.

credit: gerweck.net

You know being jobbed to Kurt Angle really isn't all that bad, especially if Joe does get the main event pay offs.

I think if he did leave to go to WWE he'd be an instant hit on ECW, he wouldn't even be called samoa Joe anymore and it wouldn't matter.

If there is one thing WWE does better than anyone is take misused talent from another company and make them world wide stars.

Joe has said it would be awesome to work at Wrestlemania or in WWE just for the experience, he feels he didn't want to go to WWE after he accomplishes what he wants as a wrestler anywhere else and that he wants WWE to come to him. That's the kind of deal he's been talking about.

Seeing TNA promising and taking away for no reason must really irk joe. Hey atleast his friend Frankie KAzarian is getting a push.

[HMARK Center]

AJ won't go to the E. I doubt that would ever really work.

Joe knows how to politic. He's laid back, but the guy is known for having A) a relatively short fuse in some situations, and B) there have been some stories of him leveraging TNA for more money, money he basically deserved when they tried to avoid giving him a raise.

Doesn't mean he's a master manipulator or the next Triple H, but the guy knows his way around backstage.

[Joekishi]

I still want to see Frankie Kazarian back in WWE, he left for weird reasons, but he was getting mic time and building a character for himself on velocity.

that was weird, he forgoed OVW straight to velocity and got to still work his same style not really all that cut down. Besides the removal of the Diamond Cutter, but heh whatevs.

Still I think Frankie could make it in WWE.

[leemir]

I loved Frankie in WWE. "Scotty 2 Hotty? He's STILL wrestling?"

[invaderdave]

I did like his WWE run, for what its worth. I thought he could've made it.

[Joekishi]

mdb913 said:

If/When the clause goes away, after Punk's match, Joe grabs a mike and congratulates Punk on all his success. He introduces himself: "I am Samoa Joe, and I am this man's worst nightmare." Before Punk came to WWE, Joe explains, Joe and Punk had memorable matches all around the world--Japan, Germany, America. And never one time--despite all the five-star matches, despite any titles on the line--Punk never once legitimately defeated Joe.

That would suck ass I hate fueds based on the 2 guys fueding in the past.

That'd basically be the same promo as Ult...WaRRIOR/Hogan on Nitro.

"ON that day you were Immortal, but I WAS ULTIMATE"

[darthpipes]

TNA has deliberately dropped the ball with Samoa Joe. By not giving him the title already and burying him in main events and the fact they insist on letting a company-ruiner like Vince Russo book for them, they have proven themselves to be bush league and second-rate.

[sexualvanilla]

hitmanmark said:

AJ won't go to the E. I doubt that would ever really work.

Joe knows how to politic. He's laid back, but the guy is known for having A) a relatively short fuse in some situations, and B) there have been some stories of him leveraging TNA for more money, money he basically deserved when they tried to avoid giving him a raise.

Doesn't mean he's a master manipulator or the next Triple H, but the guy knows his way around backstage.

He also made it well known to the net that he invited Brian Gerwitz to attend backstage an ROH show last year, right around the time of a possible contract renewal, so he does know a few things

[Joekishi]

This situation mirrors Monty Brown's and Jeff Hardy's exit from TNa, except TNA hasn't buried Joe on PPV pre-shows.

[mrjerkybigbucks]

Joe is a cry baby... Wahh wahhh wahh push me, wahh wahh wahh I wana go to the wwe, wahh wahh wahh

[Mozenrath]

chuckymac314 said:

angryfan said:

Should this be true, the exodus begins.

Yeah, honestly, if they lose Joe, that's it for TNA, they'll be on borrowed time. Angle's great, but they've turned him from "THE best signing in TNA history" to just another dude on the roster. Christian can't carry a company by his lonesome, nor can Abyss, and Sting won't be around for too much longer, I'd wager, and they're apparently reluctant to let anyone else around the main event scene in a singles capacity.

A mindset that they need to rectify, even if Joe does stay. The same old crap will only work for so long.

[BrodietheSlayer]

voiceboxisback said:

brodietheslayer said:

If WWE is SMART....

CM Punk/Samoa Joe....

Wrestlemania

To quote Samoa Joe at the Final Battle 06' afterparty
"The only way I'd fight this mothersmurfer is at Wrestlemania"

If you think about it....it'd be a perfect setup.....Punk wins at SUMMERSLAM, and after he and Morrison finish their feud....we have Punk defeat Burke and a few others at following ppvs. Suddenly, Joe walks into ECW (on the ECW after SURVIVOR SERIES) to challenge him for the ECW title (maybe doing a massive shoot on "The Kurt Angle Show" along the way)......Punk is with it, but Estrada tells Joe that he needs to become the #1 Contender to face Punk for the title......so, Joe spends 4+ months wrecking anyone in his way (ala TAZ in the Original ECW) until it is just He and Punk at WRESTLEMANIA (Which would probably get Joe over HUGE and allow Punk to make his first solid WWE heel turn).

[Mozenrath]

brodietheslayer said:

voiceboxisback said:

To quote Samoa Joe at the Final Battle 06' afterparty
"The only way I'd fight this mothersmurfer is at Wrestlemania"

If you think about it....it'd be a perfect setup.....Punk wins at SUMMERSLAM, and after he and Morrison finish their feud....we have Punk defeat Burke and a few others at following ppvs. Suddenly, Joe walks into ECW (on the ECW after SURVIVOR SERIES) to challenge him for the ECW title (maybe doing a massive shoot on "The Kurt Angle Show" along the way)......Punk is with it, but Estrada tells Joe that he needs to become the #1 Contender to face Punk for the title......so, Joe spends 4+ months wrecking anyone in his way (ala TAZ in the Original ECW) until it is just He and Punk at WRESTLEMANIA (Which would probably get Joe over HUGE and allow Punk to make his first solid WWE heel turn).

With Punk teasing him, causing Joe to take it out on any poor soul who gets in the way.

[BrodietheSlayer]

kiddobradley said:

brodietheslayer said:

If you think about it....it'd be a perfect setup.....Punk wins at SUMMERSLAM, and after he and Morrison finish their feud....we have Punk defeat Burke and a few others at following ppvs. Suddenly, Joe walks into ECW (on the ECW after SURVIVOR SERIES) to challenge him for the ECW title (maybe doing a massive shoot on "The Kurt Angle Show" along the way)......Punk is with it, but Estrada tells Joe that he needs to become the #1 Contender to face Punk for the title......so, Joe spends 4+ months wrecking anyone in his way (ala TAZ in the Original ECW) until it is just He and Punk at WRESTLEMANIA (Which would probably get Joe over HUGE and allow Punk to make his first solid WWE heel turn).

With Punk teasing him, causing Joe to take it out on any poor soul who gets in the way.

Indeed.....maybe even teasing him in a subtle way for his character being stupid enough to "fall for" the Karen Angle swerve.

[voiceboxisback]

mrjerkybigbucks said:

Joe is a cry baby... Wahh wahhh wahh push me, wahh wahh wahh I wana go to the wwe, wahh wahh wahh

And you are just a whiny fan, which would you rather be?

["Nature Boy" Ric Moranis]

1. TNA hasn't offered Joe a huge raise.
2. Joe is threatening to leave for less money instead of re-signing.

In wrestling, this is "news". On message boards, this is the "death of TNA".

However, in the real world, both sides' tactics are consistent with something called "negotiation". And in negotiation, a very popular tactic used in sports and Hollywood is to say that you're gonna sit out or work for a competitor, and your bosses go "Man, that sure would suck if that happened. Here's more money."

When push comes to shove, TNA's stupid, but they aren't stupid enough to let their biggest young star (especially someone who they've put in many marquee main events as recently as their last PPV) walk into the welcoming arms of their competition for peanuts. This is different than the Monty Brown situation, because Monty's alot older and doesn't have as much of an upside as Joe.

Joe has worked 9 of the past 12 Main Events on TNA PPVs. If he doesn't feel like he's being pushed enough, then he's a mark for belts (and himself), and I'd love to see if he main evented 75% of WWE's PPVs in any year he's there (ever).

Fact is, it probably isn't about the push. Joe probably just wants paid what he's worth. That makes him no different than any of us. TNA should give him a raise, consistent with being the main event player that he is for their company. And by the time his contract expires, they'll probably give him that raise.

I don't know if Joe has a Hollywood agent, but he should get one to negotiate with TNA for him, especially if he wants Sting money. He'd get his money, and the agent will be helpful deflect TEH BCKSTAAGE HEATZ!!!1! At least that's how it works in sports and real entertainment, I don't know about some backwoods southern rasslin' company...

[Reverend BTY]

aaaaaaaaa said:

1. TNA hasn't offered Joe a huge raise.
2. Joe is threatening to leave for less money instead of re-signing.

In wrestling, this is "news". On message boards, this is the "death of TNA".

However, in the real world, both sides' tactics are consistent with something called "negotiation". And in negotiation, a very popular tactic used in sports and Hollywood is to say that you're gonna sit out or work for a competitor, and your bosses go "Man, that sure would suck if that happened. Here's more money."

When push comes to shove, TNA's stupid, but they aren't stupid enough to let their biggest young star (especially someone who they've put in many marquee main events as recently as their last PPV) walk into the welcoming arms of their competition for peanuts. This is different than the Monty Brown situation, because Monty's alot older and doesn't have as much of an upside as Joe.

Joe has worked 9 of the past 12 Main Events on TNA PPVs. If he doesn't feel like he's being pushed enough, then he's a mark for belts (and himself), and I'd love to see if he main evented 75% of WWE's PPVs in any year he's there (ever).

Fact is, it probably isn't about the push. Joe probably just wants paid what he's worth. That makes him no different than any of us. TNA should give him a raise, consistent with being the main event player that he is for their company. And by the time his contract expires, they'll probably give him that raise.

I don't know if Joe has a Hollywood agent, but he should get one to negotiate with TNA for him, especially if he wants Sting money. He'd get his money, and the agent will be helpful deflect TEH BCKSTAAGE HEATZ!!!1! At least that's how it works in sports and real entertainment, I don't know about some backwoods southern rasslin' company...

QFT

[voiceboxisback]

aaaaaaaaa said:

1. TNA hasn't offered Joe a huge raise.
2. Joe is threatening to leave for less money instead of re-signing.

In wrestling, this is "news". On message boards, this is the "death of TNA".

However, in the real world, both sides' tactics are consistent with something called "negotiation". And in negotiation, a very popular tactic used in sports and Hollywood is to say that you're gonna sit out or work for a competitor, and your bosses go "Man, that sure would suck if that happened. Here's more money."

When push comes to shove, TNA's stupid, but they aren't stupid enough to let their biggest young star (especially someone who they've put in many marquee main events as recently as their last PPV) walk into the welcoming arms of their competition for peanuts. This is different than the Monty Brown situation, because Monty's alot older and doesn't have as much of an upside as Joe.

Joe has worked 9 of the past 12 Main Events on TNA PPVs. If he doesn't feel like he's being pushed enough, then he's a mark for belts (and himself), and I'd love to see if he main evented 75% of WWE's PPVs in any year he's there (ever).

Fact is, it probably isn't about the push. Joe probably just wants paid what he's worth. That makes him no different than any of us. TNA should give him a raise, consistent with being the main event player that he is for their company. And by the time his contract expires, they'll probably give him that raise.

I don't know if Joe has a Hollywood agent, but he should get one to negotiate with TNA for him, especially if he wants Sting money. He'd get his money, and the agent will be helpful deflect TEH BCKSTAAGE HEATZ!!!1! At least that's how it works in sports and real entertainment, I don't know about some backwoods southern rasslin' company...

I actually agree with this in a way, even though, I'd love just one Raw or ECW, after a successful, hardfought title defense by Cena or Punk, Joe comes out to similar music to his TNA theme, and just goes wild destroying everybody and everything, and cut a vicious promo!