The Official TNA Genesis III/TNA Leviticus Thread

[Michael Coello]

lildude8218 said:

sinister1 said:

So? Lance Hoyt wasn't winning much matches back then, and Sabin wasn't exactly invincible himself. It's all about the first big match. Abyss was Hoyt's "coming out party", the first big match for his career. Sabin was the a guy who went head to head with Joe and that was a big deal. Roode just has to go head to head with Joe to get the same thing.

Plus, I don't think Roode has lost much. I know he's won at least a couple of matches in the last 6 months.

You're not really making a great argument by talking about how much it helped Lance Hoyt. He hasn't really done crap since he's been in the company.

That isn't the fault of the match itself, but with the company following it up. This is about setting the guy up, and it takes the company to follow up on it.

[greate]

Samoa Joe vs. Robert Roode w/Ms. Brooks

I guess Joe's depush to a solid midcarder is complete, otherwise he wouldn't be in a match with Ravishing Rick Rude's cheap clone. Pinning Joe could've been a big deal for Roode, but TNA already screwed that up by jobbing Joe right the hell out to Angle. I suspect Roode will get the win through some manner of shennanigans from Brooks to continue the feud.
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Yeh ok pal. This is the best thing thats happened for Joe in a long time, you got two guys first Roode who needs momentum and you got Joe who needs to rack up wins so this is a win-win situation.



Using your logic....if Roode needs momentum and Joe needs a win, then when one of the guys loses the match, it would be bad. Thus it is not a win-win situation.

Next time quote my whole post, thank you. As sinister explained to you already, you can gain momentum even if you dont win. It's all about when, where, how and why in other words, circumstances. Roode has looked like a tough SOB against Joe brawling and beating him up for the last weeks so if he takes Joe to the 20 minute mark and lets say, gives up bleeding wouldn't that make him look good?

[lildude8218]

greate said:

Next time quote my whole post

No.

[comahan]

Roode beat Jarrett in Jarrett's singles return match. If he can hang with Joe he'll have a claim at a top spot, in kayfabe at least.

[Adam Pacman Khan (akkilla)]

The FFTR finals should be confirmed for genesis.

[Michael Coello]

akkilla said:

The FFTR finals should be confirmed for genesis.

The FFYR finals are on iMPACT, not the PPV:

- Also scheduled for this Thursday night is the “Fight For The Right” tournament final as it will be Kaz taking on “The Instant Classic” Christian Cage for a shot at the TNA World Heavyweight Championship!

[lildude8218]

sinister1 said:

akkilla said:

The FFTR finals should be confirmed for genesis.

The FFYR finals are on iMPACT, not the PPV:

- Also scheduled for this Thursday night is the “Fight For The Right” tournament final as it will be Kaz taking on “The Instant Classic” Christian Cage for a shot at the TNA World Heavyweight Championship!

In his defense, on the Impact on the 25th they showed a graphic saying the finals would take place at Genesis and then changed their minds the following week. so I could see someone getting that messed up.

[Adam Pacman Khan (akkilla)]

lildude8218 said:

sinister1 said:

The FFYR finals are on iMPACT, not the PPV:

In his defense, on the Impact on the 25th they showed a graphic saying the finals would take place at Genesis and then changed their minds the following week. so I could see someone getting that messed up.

Thats exactly why i said that damn you TNA i spend my time defending you on the internet and yet you decide to change your minds how DARE YOU!!!!.

[comahan]

It ends up good in the end.

[hollywood]

I actually agree with Sinister in his arguments. A guy CAN look strong even if he loses, if the match is booked right.

Of course, that whole pesky "if the match is booked right" part has been the bane of TNA's entire existence.

[poi zen rana]

hollywood said:

Team 3D vs. The Motor City Machineguns

If MCMG win, it's only after a half-dozen run-ins, some "miscommunication" on the part of Team 3-D, and a bag of walnuts. Honestly, I see 3-D winning this one, but I could be wrong.

i know we have discussed it and pointed out the reasons i believe motor city has an extremely good chance, but i am not sure if i ever fully understood why you are so absolutely sure they will not go over clean?

[hollywood]

poisonrana said:

hollywood said:

Team 3D vs. The Motor City Machineguns

If MCMG win, it's only after a half-dozen run-ins, some "miscommunication" on the part of Team 3-D, and a bag of walnuts. Honestly, I see 3-D winning this one, but I could be wrong.

i know we have discussed it and pointed out the reasons i believe motor city has an extremely good chance, but i am not sure if i ever fully understood why you are so absolutely sure they will not go over clean?

In TNA, no one has ever gone over a former WWE/WCW/ECW guy cleanly. It's been made adundantly clear that TNA's guys aren't the real stars, the WWE/WCW/ECW guys are.

The only exception that comes to mind was Jay Lethal's win over Kurt. But they quickly killed off all his momentum, on the very next Impact.

I could be wrong (but I don't think so). TNA's track record speaks for itself.

[comahan]

hollywood said:

poisonrana said:

i know we have discussed it and pointed out the reasons i believe motor city has an extremely good chance, but i am not sure if i ever fully understood why you are so absolutely sure they will not go over clean?

In TNA, no one has ever gone over a former WWE/WCW/ECW guy cleanly. It's been made adundantly clear that TNA's guys aren't the real stars, the WWE/WCW/ECW guys are.

The only exception that comes to mind was Jay Lethal's win over Kurt. But they quickly killed off all his momentum, on the very next Impact.

I could be wrong (but I don't think so). TNA's track record speaks for itself.

Joe beat Kurt Clean. LAX beat 3D clean like 86 times. Abyss pinned Sting clean to retain the World Title. Roode beat Jarrett Clean. Joe beat Christian clean. Joe pinned 3D to win the tag belts. Joe beat Jarrett clean. Do you consider Rhino an ex WWE guy? cause he never wins. Steiner never won before feuding with 3D. Like you said, Lethal over Angle. Abyss won the BFG Monsters Ball match against 3 'former wwf guys'. Thats off the top of my head.

I believe the only one of those not from a PPV this year is Joe over Jarrett.

Point is, it does happen. Not all the time, but it happens. And it seems to happen against 3D a lot. So, yea.

[Michael Coello]

hollywood said:

poisonrana said:

i know we have discussed it and pointed out the reasons i believe motor city has an extremely good chance, but i am not sure if i ever fully understood why you are so absolutely sure they will not go over clean?

In TNA, no one has ever gone over a former WWE/WCW/ECW guy cleanly. It's been made adundantly clear that TNA's guys aren't the real stars, the WWE/WCW/ECW guys are.

The only exception that comes to mind was Jay Lethal's win over Kurt. But they quickly killed off all his momentum, on the very next Impact.

I could be wrong (but I don't think so). TNA's track record speaks for itself.

Joe going over Cage at BFG?
Roode going over Jarrett at Sacrifice?
Harris beating Black Reign at No Surrender?
Kaz over Raven at Hard Justice?
Abyss over Reign, Raven & Rhino at BFG?

[hollywood]

comahan said:

hollywood said:

In TNA, no one has ever gone over a former WWE/WCW/ECW guy cleanly. It's been made adundantly clear that TNA's guys aren't the real stars, the WWE/WCW/ECW guys are.

The only exception that comes to mind was Jay Lethal's win over Kurt. But they quickly killed off all his momentum, on the very next Impact.

I could be wrong (but I don't think so). TNA's track record speaks for itself.

Joe beat Kurt Clean. LAX beat 3D clean like 86 times. Abyss pinned Sting clean to retain the World Title. Roode beat Jarrett Clean. Joe beat Christian clean. Joe pinned 3D to win the tag belts. Joe beat Jarrett clean. Do you consider Rhino an ex WWE guy? cause he never wins. Steiner never won before feuding with 3D. Like you said, Lethal over Angle. Abyss won the BFG Monsters Ball match against 3 'former wwf guys'. Thats off the top of my head.

I believe the only one of those not from a PPV this year is Joe over Jarrett.

Point is, it does happen. Not all the time, but it happens. And it seems to happen against 3D a lot. So, yea.

Hey, I've freely acknowledged that I could be wrong. We'll see what happens. But I'm not holding my breath for MCMG on this one.

[erisi236]

hollywood said:

The only exception that comes to mind was Jay Lethal's win over Kurt. But they quickly killed off all his momentum, on the very next Impact.

Why is it everyone remembers that non-title match on Impact, but totally forget the more recent Bound for Glory match where Jay Lethal beat Daniels clean?

[pacino]

so


back to back good PPVs?

[Michael Coello]

Updated Card:

TNA WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP
Kurt Angle(c) and Kevin Nash vs. Sting and a Mystery Partner

TNA X DIVISION CHAMPIONSHIP
“Black Machismo” Jay Lethal vs. “The Guru” Sonjay Dutt

TNA WORLD TAG TEAM CHAMPIONSHIP
AJ Styles and Tomko (c) vs. The Steiner Brothers

TNA WOMEN’S CHAMPIONSHIP
Gail Kim (c) vs. Roxxi Laveaux vs. ODB vs. Angel Williams

FIGHT FOR THE RIGHT TOURNAMENT FINAL LADDER MATCH
Kaz vs. “The Instant Classic” Christian Cage

SHOP OF HORRORS MATCH
Abyss vs. Black Reign

“The Samoan Submission Machine” Samoa Joe vs. Robert Roode w/ Ms. Brooks

Team 3D vs. The Motor City Machineguns

[Adam Pacman Khan (akkilla)]

can we have LAX vs xXx volume 2? this time with Daniels

[comahan]

Daniels and Senshi will be in Japan on Sunday, so no.