Boku AKA Da Green Guy
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Post by Boku AKA Da Green Guy on Nov 20, 2007 14:44:49 GMT -5
Moreover, the thing about Chikara is that they take the weirdest, most out there gimmicks that would be garbage in other feds, and MAKE IT WORK. The Colony, for instance, if booked in TNA or WWE, would suck balls, but in Chikara, it works because they're allowed to kind of make the gimmick their own and adapt the character for maximum effect.(For instance, Soldier Ant becoming SOULJA Ant this past weekend.) But see... I like HG. I like Delirious. I love Hurricane. Yet it sounds to me like an excuse. Others have said, and I agree to a point, that if these gimmicks were done exactly the same in the 'E... They'd be hated by the CHIKARarmy.
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Boku AKA Da Green Guy
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Post by Boku AKA Da Green Guy on Nov 20, 2007 14:45:33 GMT -5
That sounds, no offense, horrible. Have you ever watched a Hydra match? The guy's hilarious. His charisma is uncanny. I've heard the same thing said about UMB.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Nov 20, 2007 14:46:29 GMT -5
Dude, honestly, it sounds like it's just not for you, in which case, why be bothered by it? I despise CZW, but I'd never start a thread basically calling out all their fans on why the love it.
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Post by mysterydriver on Nov 20, 2007 14:47:18 GMT -5
Okay, for example, you (Spanky) have called Santino a one note joke... But lot of these gimmicks appear the same way to me too. It's like someone had a thought but kept it without thinking it through. That's the thing, Santino IS a one note joke. His entire appeal is his accent. He does the same stupid crap every show. Now, for a Chikara character that might be considered a one note joke, like Hydra, he does something radically different and hilarious to add to his character every show, whether it's the bodysuit, the Amy Winehouse music or the dancing, he's constantly working on his gimmick and his inring work to maximize his value. Wait...so Santino doesn't add to his character by incorporating mistaken quotes and random insults? I don't think "I'm going to beat him like a government dog!" was funny because of his accent, but because of his mangling of one of the most recognized JR quotes. Same with Austin's "Stomping a mud pie!" Now, I like Chikara, that's a given to anyone who knows my AIM name...but I recognize they have some one note characters. Of course, that doesn't stop me from enjoying them at all.
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Boku AKA Da Green Guy
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Post by Boku AKA Da Green Guy on Nov 20, 2007 14:49:24 GMT -5
Because a lot of my friends like it and I want to understand it.
Plus, I can't say it does make me confused when a goofy gimmick is bashed by CHIKARA fans but yet they cheer for a CP Munk. Which is a one note joke as well.
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Boku AKA Da Green Guy
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Post by Boku AKA Da Green Guy on Nov 20, 2007 14:51:31 GMT -5
Dude, honestly, it sounds like it's just not for you, in which case, why be bothered by it? I despise CZW, but I'd never start a thread basically calling out all their fans on why the love it. I never did, if you actually read my original post. I only asked if anyone else had problems getting into it and dealing not being a fan when everyone seems to love it.
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Post by mysterydriver on Nov 20, 2007 14:54:06 GMT -5
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Nov 20, 2007 14:54:36 GMT -5
Dude, honestly, it sounds like it's just not for you, in which case, why be bothered by it? I despise CZW, but I'd never start a thread basically calling out all their fans on why the love it. I never did, if you actually read my original post. I only asked if anyone else had problems getting into it and dealing not being a fan when everyone seems to love it. Well, honestly, dude, it sounds like you don't want to be convinced, and are only really hating on the gimmicks and ignoring the quality of the wrestling, which is usually pretty damn good in Chikara, comedy matches or not. Honestly, if the comedy really bothers you that badly, watch only Quack, the KoW, and most of the main event matches. There's still some funny, but it won't seem as offensive as you seem to find the undercard.
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Post by Big BosskMan on Nov 20, 2007 14:54:40 GMT -5
OK then, I have a question for Spankster and whoever else:
If I were to buy one Chikara event for 2007 (this could be a one-nighter or an event strung together over a weekend), which one would it be?
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Nov 20, 2007 14:58:57 GMT -5
OK then, I have a question for Spankster and whoever else: If I were to buy one Chikara event for 2007 (this could be a one-nighter or an event strung together over a weekend), which one would it be? Rey De Voladores. In my opinion, the best Chikara show of 2007. Two great high flying four way matches, a BRUTAL Kingston/Wicked Brawl, and an amazing Claudio/Hero match.
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Boku AKA Da Green Guy
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Post by Boku AKA Da Green Guy on Nov 20, 2007 15:01:07 GMT -5
I never did, if you actually read my original post. I only asked if anyone else had problems getting into it and dealing not being a fan when everyone seems to love it. Well, honestly, dude, it sounds like you don't want to be convinced, and are only really hating on the gimmicks and ignoring the quality of the wrestling, which is usually pretty damn good in Chikara, comedy matches or not. Honestly, if the comedy really bothers you that badly, watch only Quack, the KoW, and most of the main event matches. There's still some funny, but it won't seem as offensive as you seem to find the undercard. Again... If you read my first post, I don't knock the talent. Just question the gimmicks. Which is showing my feelings correct. It's impossible to not like CHIKARA here at the crap, because everyone seemingly does. I guess it's me trying to fit in but disliking most of the comedy stuff I see. I'm cool with funny stuff. But half of the gimmicks look like they get in the way or curb the performer's ability. I just... don't get it.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Nov 20, 2007 15:03:27 GMT -5
Well, honestly, dude, it sounds like you don't want to be convinced, and are only really hating on the gimmicks and ignoring the quality of the wrestling, which is usually pretty damn good in Chikara, comedy matches or not. Honestly, if the comedy really bothers you that badly, watch only Quack, the KoW, and most of the main event matches. There's still some funny, but it won't seem as offensive as you seem to find the undercard. Again... If you read my first post, I don't knock the talent. Just question the gimmicks. Which is showing my feelings correct. It's impossible to not like CHIKARA here at the crap, because everyone seemingly does. I guess it's me trying to fit in but disliking most of the comedy stuff I see. I'm cool with funny stuff. But half of the gimmicks look like they get in the way or curb the performer's ability. I just... don't get it. Trust me, they don't. I've never seen a gimmick get in the way of a wrestler's performance in Chikara. Honestly, if anything, it just gives the guys more character and something to play off of. For instance, the wrestler that plays Retail Dragon(I won't say who, in the interests of kayfabe) looks like your average boring flippy indy guy, but put him in that mask with that gimmick, and all of a sudden you have one of my favorite Chikara guys, the acrobatic, half dragon Wal-Mart employee.
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Post by deadguy2322 on Nov 20, 2007 15:03:30 GMT -5
Word. And I like Punk, but for a guy who can crack wise on camera, he seems to have a fairly nonexistent sense of humor. He really does seem like a guy that can dish it out without being able to take it. I've known a lot of Straitedge people, and that is a VERY common trait among them. Part of feeling superior to everybody else is taking offense at any and all jokes at your own expense.
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Post by Throwback on Nov 20, 2007 15:07:04 GMT -5
I never heard of CHIKARA I never seen CHIKARA so I have no opinion on it
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Nov 20, 2007 15:11:17 GMT -5
He really does seem like a guy that can dish it out without being able to take it. I've known a lot of Straitedge people, and that is a VERY common trait among them. Part of feeling superior to everybody else is taking offense at any and all jokes at your own expense. As a straight edge person who generally hates other straight edge people, you're pretty 100% right.
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Post by hollywood on Nov 20, 2007 15:12:51 GMT -5
I've known a lot of Straitedge people, and that is a VERY common trait among them. Part of feeling superior to everybody else is taking offense at any and all jokes at your own expense. As a straight edge person who generally hates other straight edge people, you're pretty 100% right. That means your acorn free right?
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Post by Count Creepyhead on Nov 20, 2007 15:13:00 GMT -5
I find it extremely lame also.
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Boku AKA Da Green Guy
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Post by Boku AKA Da Green Guy on Nov 20, 2007 15:15:42 GMT -5
I've enjoyed everything I've seen from CHIKARA so far, with the exception of a match that was posted on here a few days ago between CP Munk and...I forgot his name. Acts like an old guy. I'm sure someone knows it. But I really couldn't stand that match. The commentator was just going on about how pissed Cm Punk was gonna be. But I may have been spoiled by the likes of Colt Cabana, Delirious and Kikutaro when it comes to comedy spots, so...take it for what it's worth. Darkness Crabtree, and yeah, that match was not great, although that was kinda the point and Kingston on commentary saved it from being unwatcheable in my opinion. That was just a match where two gimmicks that probably shouldn't have been in the ring together got combined, and it didn't really work. A side note... I think "Kingston" was perhaps the worst part of the whole match.
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Post by Chainsaw on Nov 20, 2007 15:16:13 GMT -5
It really is one of those things that you get or don't get.
Now my question is, for those people who don't like CHIKARA...What are your feeligns towards Kaiju Big Battel?
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Post by I'm The Cool One on Nov 20, 2007 15:17:13 GMT -5
CHIKARA is awesome. if you dont like it then you dont have to. i, personally think the comedy stuff is great. and the gimmicks are so outrageous that its fun.
thats just my dot two oh
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