Boku AKA Da Green Guy
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Post by Boku AKA Da Green Guy on Nov 20, 2007 15:17:42 GMT -5
It really is one of those things that you get or don't get. Now my question is, for those people who don't like CHIKARA...What are your feeligns towards Kaiju Big Battel? The monster stuff? Haven't seen it, but I've wanted to.
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Post by KEJB on Nov 20, 2007 15:22:46 GMT -5
I have never been into it as a whole. Sure every so often a good match comes out of there, but that can be said for pretty much any fed. If the guys are not dressed in ridiculous costumes, and just being totally off the wall,then they are 170lb. indy CAW Moveset masters. I am a bad barometer though, because I take wrestling way to serious. Claudio, Hero, and Quack are decent. Akuma can be exciting. Besides that I am not into anyone from Chikara. Most of the matches lack any psychology at all. It's just generic indy driver, arm drag, wanna be puro strikes, arm drag, generic indy driver.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Nov 20, 2007 15:24:38 GMT -5
Haven't seen CHIKARA yet, but I've been thinking about getting its DVD.
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Post by Big BosskMan on Nov 20, 2007 16:08:26 GMT -5
Given the discussion between Spanky and Green Guy, I kind of wonder if Chikara isn't kinda like a wrestling version of MST3K.
You have what most mainstream people would call a "cult" show, and it has a loyal cadre of fans that follow it religiously, and then there are casual fans who get certain aspects or episodes of it.
Kind of like how some folks find the SciFi eps really funny but don't like the old Comedy Central version.
Or they laugh at the Godzilla movie spoofs but don't find episodes like Jack Frost or Teenage Strangler amusing.
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Post by Joekishi on Nov 20, 2007 16:12:07 GMT -5
Am I the only one that finds CHIKARA lame? I've tried to watch it before but the lame jokes and stupid gimmicks always leaves me shaking my head in confusion. Ur from soCal watch PWG it's a great experience without the craptacular audiences that plague other indies
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Post by MGH on Nov 20, 2007 16:13:07 GMT -5
it's an acquired taste. You'll either love it or hate it.
First two shows I watched I thought they were lame as smurf. Spank actually talked me in to giving them one more chance with this year's King of Trios triple shot. Seen every show this year since. If some of the stuff they do happened in WWE or TNA or ROH I'd shoot it down, as it's going down on a serious wrestling show. CHIKARA flat out says they're comedy and non-serious entertainment with fun wrestling to boot. It just works with them. When you watch it you know what you're getting yourself in too.
Plus they introduced me to Chuck Taylor, which I am forever thankful for.
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Boku AKA Da Green Guy
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Post by Boku AKA Da Green Guy on Nov 20, 2007 17:02:31 GMT -5
Am I the only one that finds CHIKARA lame? I've tried to watch it before but the lame jokes and stupid gimmicks always leaves me shaking my head in confusion. Ur from soCal watch PWG it's a great experience without the craptacular audiences that plague other indies Actually, I'm from Nor Cal.
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Post by Joekishi on Nov 20, 2007 17:03:47 GMT -5
OH GAH
Well hmm yeah can't help you there with Local indy
But I can recommend a better indy to watch. I too feel you on the cartoony ness and lameness of Chikara. I like some guys, but just don't think it's all that great.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Nov 20, 2007 17:50:35 GMT -5
Given the discussion between Spanky and Green Guy, I kind of wonder if Chikara isn't kinda like a wrestling version of MST3K. You have what most mainstream people would call a "cult" show, and it has a loyal cadre of fans that follow it religiously, and then there are casual fans who get certain aspects or episodes of it. Kind of like how some folks find the SciFi eps really funny but don't like the old Comedy Central version. Or they laugh at the Godzilla movie spoofs but don't find episodes like Jack Frost or Teenage Strangler amusing. I actually think that's the perfect metaphor for it to say that it's a MST3K or Rocky Horror type deal where the people that love it(myself included, of course) REALLY love it, and the people that don't have no use for it. Which is pretty much fine by me.
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Boku AKA Da Green Guy
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Post by Boku AKA Da Green Guy on Nov 20, 2007 18:03:35 GMT -5
The only problem is that I love both Rocky Horror and MST3K.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Nov 20, 2007 18:05:58 GMT -5
The only problem is that I love both Rocky Horror and MST3K. You...kinda missed my point there. I'm not saying that the audiences would possibly be the same. I'm saying that the following is similar. The members of the Chikarmy love it, you don't, so why stress over it?
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Boku AKA Da Green Guy
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Post by Boku AKA Da Green Guy on Nov 20, 2007 18:07:47 GMT -5
No, I know what it means. Just saying.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Nov 20, 2007 18:08:16 GMT -5
Given the discussion between Spanky and Green Guy, I kind of wonder if Chikara isn't kinda like a wrestling version of MST3K. You have what most mainstream people would call a "cult" show, and it has a loyal cadre of fans that follow it religiously, and then there are casual fans who get certain aspects or episodes of it. Kind of like how some folks find the SciFi eps really funny but don't like the old Comedy Central version. Or they laugh at the Godzilla movie spoofs but don't find episodes like Jack Frost or Teenage Strangler amusing. I actually think that's the perfect metaphor for it to say that it's a MST3K or Rocky Horror type deal where the people that love it(myself included, of course) REALLY love it, and the people that don't have no use for it. Which is pretty much fine by me. Or cheap seats, mainly because i like talking about cheap seats. Never seen CHIKARA, but I might give it a shot. I have hard enough time keeping up with ROH though, so we'll see.
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Post by slasher911 on Nov 20, 2007 18:09:14 GMT -5
He really does seem like a guy that can dish it out without being able to take it. I've known a lot of Straitedge people, and that is a VERY common trait among them. Part of feeling superior to everybody else is taking offense at any and all jokes at your own expense. Errrrr, Punk has said he finds the CHIKARA thing funny at times. And Punk has shown before that he can take jokes just fine (watch the Joe/Punk or Cabana/Punk shoot). And the thing I don't get about CHIKARA is that if the WWE were to do any of the same characters, the same CHIKARA fans would claim it to be the most retarded thing of all time.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Nov 20, 2007 18:10:17 GMT -5
I actually think that's the perfect metaphor for it to say that it's a MST3K or Rocky Horror type deal where the people that love it(myself included, of course) REALLY love it, and the people that don't have no use for it. Which is pretty much fine by me. Or cheap seats, mainly because i like talking about cheap seats. Never seen CHIKARA, but I might give it a shot. I have hard enough time keeping up with ROH though, so we'll see. Trust me, trying to keep up with ROH on top of Chikara has given me headaches. The only reason I haven't really looked into PWG or Japan is because I have a hard enough time with those two.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 20, 2007 18:12:14 GMT -5
Moreover, the thing about Chikara is that they take the weirdest, most out there gimmicks that would be garbage in other feds, and MAKE IT WORK. The Colony, for instance, if booked in TNA or WWE, would suck balls, but in Chikara, it works because they're allowed to kind of make the gimmick their own and adapt the character for maximum effect.(For instance, Soldier Ant becoming SOULJA Ant this past weekend.) Eh, WWE MIGHT be able to pull off a Colony, but who knows? If Gregory Helms owned the Hurricane gimmick, which I assume he doesn't, I could see him making HUGE money with that gimmick.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Nov 20, 2007 18:12:19 GMT -5
I've known a lot of Straitedge people, and that is a VERY common trait among them. Part of feeling superior to everybody else is taking offense at any and all jokes at your own expense. Errrrr, Punk has said he finds the CHIKARA thing funny at times. And Punk has shown before that he can take jokes just fine (watch the Joe/Punk or Cabana/Punk shoot). And the thing I don't get about CHIKARA is that if the WWE were to do any of the same characters, the same CHIKARA fans would claim it to be the most retarded thing of all time. Because they would be presented as characters that are expected to be taken seriously on a weekly basis. I love the Colony, but if I saw them every week on WWE tv, they'd get old after about a month. Especially the way WWE would present them. It's all about presentation. Chikara does it right, WWE would most likely do it wrong. Plus, it's the wrestling that's at the core of my fandom, not the gimmicks.
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Post by Panda Bear on Nov 20, 2007 19:22:42 GMT -5
I've enjoyed everything I've seen from CHIKARA so far, with the exception of a match that was posted on here a few days ago between CP Munk and...I forgot his name. Acts like an old guy. I'm sure someone knows it. But I really couldn't stand that match. The commentator was just going on about how pissed Cm Punk was gonna be. But I may have been spoiled by the likes of Colt Cabana, Delirious and Kikutaro when it comes to comedy spots, so...take it for what it's worth. Darkness Crabtree, and yeah, that match was not great, although that was kinda the point and Kingston on commentary saved it from being unwatcheable in my opinion. That was just a match where two gimmicks that probably shouldn't have been in the ring together got combined, and it didn't really work. SLOPPY ARMDRAG!!! SLOPPY ARMDRAG!!! SLOPPY ARMDRAG!!! Yeah I agree with what Spankypac said, I find Chikara refreshing and Believable. Far more than TNA or WWE or even ROH.
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Post by Panda Bear on Nov 20, 2007 19:30:30 GMT -5
Am I the only one that finds CHIKARA lame? I've tried to watch it before but the lame jokes and stupid gimmicks always leaves me shaking my head in confusion. Ur from soCal watch PWG it's a great experience without the craptacular audiences that plague other indies PWG doesn't have a bad crowd? I LOL at that.
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Post by Psy on Nov 20, 2007 19:37:45 GMT -5
My feelings on CHIKARA : The full costumes take away from it. I don't like that.
The wrestlers are talented (except for Shane Storm), some of the gimmicks do take away from the matches in my opinion.... but if you go out to a show or get a DVD, prepare to be entertained. It's like watching a WWE PPV, some matches will click with you and some won't. I can't stand Undertaker. I just can't suspend my disbelief when he comes out, his gimmick changes were too much and I can't take him 'seriously' anymore. Other people love him, some like him, etc. I'm not going to say, "This PPV sucked because Undertaker was on it!" or anything like that. Just a match to fast-forward past.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that CHIKARA offers a very different product to North America. Not only different from other companies, but the matches on each card are widely varied from intense rivalries to weirdo comedy matches. Just sit back, relax, and enjoy. Yeah, you may have to skip a match or two here and there, but overall it's pretty enjoyable.
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