Godhand
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Post by Godhand on Nov 24, 2007 21:09:42 GMT -5
Hmmm dare I use my infinite genius to improve my favorite wrestling promotion?
1. More Latinos. I know that roh has had some of the best Indy Latino wrestlers (some as champ) but who do we have now? Rocky Romero? Bah
2. More CHikara guys. The days of czw leaching chikara talent are over. Roh should exploit a working partnership with Quack and the gang. The jigsaw push is a good start, but DAMNIT I can not support roh fully these days if they don’t start using Hallowicked more smurfing consistently!!!!
3. Lose Nigel as champ. Nigel deserved the belt 5 months ago when he first started feuding with Morishima. I can understand not giving Nigel the belt, Morishima NEEDED to have those matches with Claudio, Albright, and hell Stevens even benefited from the Morishima magic. Claudio and Albright had their breakout matches as singles wrestlers against Morishima, he smurfing made them. I don’t buy nigel Mclariat as champ and this injury has not helped his case in my eyes. Give him a decent reign as champ and have him lose the belt to Hero.
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Post by imnotbooked on Nov 24, 2007 22:36:01 GMT -5
I think one thing that we can all agree is that Leonard and Prazak are MILES above Gabe and Gentry on the early ROH shows. That commentary is SOOOO BAD it isn't even funny...
For example an exchange between the two would go something like this:
Gabe: Low-Ki has been on quite a tear since coming back from the arm injury he recieved at the Frontiers of Honor show in England.
Gentry: That's right, He injured his arm back at Frontiers of Honor and he's been on quite a tear since he has returned...
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Post by The Lodger on Nov 24, 2007 23:26:16 GMT -5
I've said it before (in a topic I started)
but I'll say it again, ROH, I think to really be on top, needs a personality.
ECW had these shows on TV, you didn't see a lot of whole matches, pretty much hour long versions of what ROH uses as the video wire. Great, right? Well what ECW had was Joey Styles talking you through the storylines, so that anyone could get in cold. He didn't need to go into depth, just enough to get you to buy the PPV/DVD. ROH could really really use something like that.
Also, ROH needs to embrace lucha, it doesn't need to get goofy like CHIKARA, which is great in it's own right. But think about what ECW brought to the world by reaching internationally, Rey MYsterio, Psychosis, Juvi, etc. ROH could have their own lucha discoveries. It is my understanding that Gabe isn't really partial to Lucha, that's fine, but there's no denying that flippy, floppy spot filled Lucha match wouldn't get the crowd going. It's also something fans could show outsiders what the alternative is to mainstream wrestling.
I love ROH, I really do. It has got me back into pro wrestling in a big way. Not having these things won't make it less interesting, but think of the possibilities of some of the working philosophies that made ECW so great were adapted by ROH.
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Post by Reverend BTY on Nov 25, 2007 0:09:12 GMT -5
I think some of the problem "production wise" is that Gabe is apparently really resistent to things like that in order to avoid becoming to big, to soon. Hell, apparently it was a fight just to get Gabe to go along with the PPV. Would upping the production values really have it become too big though??? Get some better cameras and better lighting for some arenas. Not like we need pyro entrances, although a UK Flag pyro show for Nigel would be kick ass. Also in this, better sound quality. When there are bad acoustics at a building, we all suffer.
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Post by Timmy8271 on Nov 25, 2007 0:56:55 GMT -5
That's the last thing ROH needs is a stable like DP Associates. What they need to do is get rid of Leonard. His voice is so monotone and boring that I just can't stand it. I think Sweeney would work great in it.
About the "more Lucha in ROH" thing, I'd love to see it but it shouldn't happen. Lucha doesn't work for a guy that has never booked lucha before. If Gabe did bring some lucha guys in, He should have a guy like Quack book but I don't see him doing that.
One more thing to add, since it seems IWA mid south is on it's dying legs, ROH should try to get some of there talent. Guys like Chuck Taylor, the Thomaseli's, and others. Also ROH needs to bring in some older guys like Scropio or Tracy Smothers. Guys that can still work and have a name to put over talent. Kinda like they did with Lance Storm.
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Post by Joekishi on Nov 25, 2007 2:01:48 GMT -5
A lot of wrestlers in ROH have that WCW Cruiserweight/HBK lucha libre influenced style. I mean I know not one of those guys could ever put on a technical masterpiece like El Santo vs. Ultimo Guerrero, but they can come close to working the style of adding flair and drama to the match.
Lucha Libre essentially is a style most guys in ROH work, and with Gabe coming up from ECW he had exposure to Lucha Libre, and Lucha libre influenced wrestlers like Sabu, RVD, Rey Mysterio, Super Crazy.
I think it's more to do with getting Luchadores to agree to a price. As they ask for A LOT of money.
More than it has to do with just the lucha libre style.
I mean Homicide was the consumate Luchador for ROH.
Bryan Danielson does a seemless transition between HBK influenced Lucha Libre, and William REgal Influenced european catch wrestling.
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Post by Chuckie Finster on Nov 25, 2007 21:00:26 GMT -5
I think one thing that we can all agree is that Leonard and Prazak are MILES above Gabe and Gentry on the early ROH shows. That commentary is SOOOO BAD it isn't even funny... For example an exchange between the two would go something like this: Gabe: Low-Ki has been on quite a tear since coming back from the arm injury he recieved at the Frontiers of Honor show in England. Gentry: That's right, He injured his arm back at Frontiers of Honor and he's been on quite a tear since he has returned... I see your Gabe and Gentry and raise you Mark Nulty.
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Post by The Line on Nov 25, 2007 21:05:05 GMT -5
I think one thing that we can all agree is that Leonard and Prazak are MILES above Gabe and Gentry on the early ROH shows. That commentary is SOOOO BAD it isn't even funny... For example an exchange between the two would go something like this: Gabe: Low-Ki has been on quite a tear since coming back from the arm injury he recieved at the Frontiers of Honor show in England. Gentry: That's right, He injured his arm back at Frontiers of Honor and he's been on quite a tear since he has returned... I see your Gabe and Gentry and raise you Mark Nulty. No water in the pool, and the mustard fell off the hotdog
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Post by HMARK Center on Nov 25, 2007 21:13:56 GMT -5
Nulty had moments where he was enjoyable, since he REALLY knew his wrestling history...but, ugh, not for an entire show, please. Guy couldn't call big moments.
It was worth it to have Punk call him "Nutly", though.
And I'm not sure why some people think Leonard is "monotone". That really isn't how I'd describe his voice, since he does get worked up during matches. Again, he and Prazak both have good voices for PBP, but there needs to be a color guy again, like they had with Punk or, back in 2002, Corino.
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Post by invaderdave on Nov 25, 2007 21:15:02 GMT -5
Non-Sweeney guy to consider for color commentary; Chris Hero.
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Post by hooeylewis on Nov 25, 2007 21:27:40 GMT -5
One thing i would do to improve ROH is better ring psychology.
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Post by Reverend BTY on Nov 25, 2007 21:51:21 GMT -5
A roster page. I mean, what wrestling promotion DOESN'T have one??? Hell, FIP has one but ROH doesn't. They have the video roster which is fine, but it's never bloody updated.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 25, 2007 21:55:14 GMT -5
A roster page. I mean, what wrestling promotion DOESN'T have one??? Hell, FIP has one but ROH doesn't. They have the video roster which is fine, but it's never bloody updated. That'd be a hell of a start, to help guys catch up to the product. Also, color commentary to go with the play by play would help a lot. There really are no monsters in ROH, which would be welcome. Morishima is good, but he's not really a guy you can expect to see on most shows. They need a guy who throws his weight around.
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Post by The Line on Nov 25, 2007 21:57:06 GMT -5
I wish Abyss could come back. He was quite impressive in ROH
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 25, 2007 21:58:30 GMT -5
I wish Abyss could come back. He was quite impressive in ROH He's actually just the guy I had in mind.
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Post by The Line on Nov 25, 2007 22:04:04 GMT -5
I wish Abyss could come back. He was quite impressive in ROH He's actually just the guy I had in mind. His work in the Steel Cage Warfare match is a must-see for any Abyss fan. The way he did a double-revolution black-hole slam on Sydal was radass
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 25, 2007 22:12:18 GMT -5
He's actually just the guy I had in mind. His work in the Steel Cage Warfare match is a must-see for any Abyss fan. The way he did a double-revolution black-hole slam on Sydal was radass Oh yes, a BIG favorite of mine. I love that in ROH, the smaller group of wrestlers make monsters seem HUGE. I think I figured out why I've never been huge into Roderick Strong as FIP champ: firstly, he has a stupid name. Second, he kind of seems like a hand-me-done James Gibson.
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Post by slasher911 on Nov 25, 2007 22:25:14 GMT -5
*lifts spoon to mouth and takes sip*
Mmmmm, needs more Chuck Taylor.
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Post by Panda Bear on Nov 25, 2007 23:48:28 GMT -5
*lifts spoon to mouth and takes sip* Mmmmm, needs more Chuck Taylor and Richochet. Now thats riiiiiiiiiggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhttttttttttttttttttttttttt!!!!!!! (make them a tag team too please ROH)
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Post by Vice Squad: Strong Style on Nov 27, 2007 17:00:14 GMT -5
How about Gabe starts booking matches people other than himself want to see?
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