Bedlam LadyD
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Post by Bedlam LadyD on Jul 20, 2008 18:37:30 GMT -5
*SPOILERS* I also wanted to comment on what I thought of Two-Face "dying". I got to say, I don't think he's dead. The whole time Gordon and Batman were making the plan afterwords they never one mentioned him being dead. When they showed Gordon making a speech and had the big photo of Harvey, we never saw a casket or a body. Also, earlier in the movie there was a whole scene dedicated to "A fall from this distance won't kill me" with Maroni. To me this was not only a set up plot wise (Batman's rule) but also a set up to the Two-Face scene where Harvey fell from about the same distance. That was a fleeting thought with me as well. Wouldn't that be a wonderful swerve for those who didn't pay attention to those little details?
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jzbadblood
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Post by jzbadblood on Jul 20, 2008 18:52:19 GMT -5
I thought Michael Keaton had a great Batman voice. Bale's Batman voice is pretty laughable, but it makes sense.
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Post by Sickfit, King Of The Fits on Jul 20, 2008 19:30:35 GMT -5
I thought Michael Keaton had a great Batman voice. Bale's Batman voice is pretty laughable, but it makes sense. I personally think that the voice holds weight. It catches me off guard, but everyone knows why he does it so even though it sounds a little exaggerated, there's a reason for it.
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Post by The Ultimate on Jul 20, 2008 20:10:31 GMT -5
Just got back from seeing it for the third time.
And, I am really starting to like Aaron's performance better than Ledger's. Nothing against Heath, but Aaron as Harvey was simply excellent.
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Post by Jeff on Jul 20, 2008 20:35:05 GMT -5
Just got home. I loved it obviously
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Post by Cela on Jul 20, 2008 21:09:51 GMT -5
from what I have read the plan always was to bring two face back for the third. Nolan also said he would be interested in bringing in Robin so... Personally I want two face to come back but I REALLY want Clayface and or Killer Croc... Based on the way his kid has been acting, does anyone think that Gordon's boy will be the new Robin and is named Jason Todd Gordon? that would be a twist, eh?
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Post by Stu on Jul 20, 2008 21:30:55 GMT -5
Just got back and it totally ruled!!! Also, loved Joker in the nurse's uniform.
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Post by Chainsaw on Jul 20, 2008 22:16:48 GMT -5
Just got back and it totally ruled!!! Also, loved Joker in the nurse's uniform. Yeah, there was something about that wig that got me... As far as Gordon's son being the next Robin, I doubt it. The implication behind that is that Jim and Barbara (his wife) will die eventually. Plus, Gordon's son's name in the comics is James as well, and they seem to hew pretty damn close to the Year One continuity (minus their daughter, who may be Barbara).
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Post by Big DSR Energy on Jul 20, 2008 22:20:09 GMT -5
I just saw it on Saturday (would've seen it today as well, but we missed the showing by 20 minutes, and the next one wasn't for another 3 hours), and I really hate to be this guy, but...
OH MY GOD, IT WAS AMAZING! I absolutely adored the character arch of Harvey into Two-Face! The whole film was mind-blowingly awesome, I got chills many times throughout. Joker was incredible, too, exactly what I wanted from the character. Sick and twisted, but with a black sense of humor! I still can't fully process into words how great I think the film was! I seriously considered the thought that they would've kept Gordon dead, just to throw a curveball at the comic book fans (which I would have to respect just how daring that would've been), but I clapped like everybody else when he pulled that gun on Joker! And I honestly dug the moral ambiguity of what Batman does. We know he's ultimately doing what he does for good but at the same time, you can't entirely agree with him. Likewise, you know what Two-Face is doing is wrong, but you still empathize with him, because he lost everything that gave his life meaning. It's like they said, Batman is the hero Gotham needs, but not the one they deserve (I think that's how it went). I don't know what to say, I absolutely loved it. I think it's one of my favorite movies ever, now. I HAVE to see it again.
Also, I got chills during the Watchmen trailer prior to the film.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jul 20, 2008 22:21:16 GMT -5
I LOVED IT. I absolutely loved it.
It deserved every bit of the standing ovation it received at the theater I went to (Chase Park Plaza, home of "Wrestling at the Chase).
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Post by Chainsaw on Jul 20, 2008 22:28:30 GMT -5
BTW, has anyone picked up that this is the "Empire Strikes Back" of the Batman movies (ie it ends on such a down note, as Dante put it)
Rachel is dead, Harvey is "dead", Jim has to turn his back on the city's savior, Alfred carries the secret that Rachel was about to marry Dent, thus denying Bruce his one light at the end of a dark tunnel, and Bruce/Batman is a pariah, a cop killer in the eyes of the city, his one true love is dead, and he may have lost Lucius as an ally.
Hopefully, there will be no muppets in the third (or, as I'm proposing they call it, The Dark Knight Returns).
Also, I should have realized that Jim wasn't dead since they hadn't done the interrogation scene with the Joker prior to that, and that was too big a scene to have fall by the wayside.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jul 20, 2008 23:11:05 GMT -5
I also love that The Dark Knight, which is a pretty obvious name for a Batman flick, carries such weight by the time you reach the end of the movie.
Again, the heart of this movie was to firmly establish that Batman isn't Superman, Spider-Man, or any other superhero. Batman can't just swing in and save the day, he can't just be a sign of truth, justice, and the American Way, etc., and it's largely because of who he has to contend with.
And to accomplish that, you needed a villain so corrupted, so twisted, so violent, and so chaotic, and, just as in the comics, the Joker is the absolute perfect arch-nemesis, given those parameters.
Simply having Batman deal with the mob wouldn't have cut it; Batman already proved he could do that in Begins. Those guys are small potatoes, in the end.
But Joker is "a better breed of criminal", as he so aptly puts it. He even carries bits of Ras' philosophy from Begins, with his hard-held belief in the savagery of human nature (except, unlike Ras, he has no interest in preserving civilization).
There could be no other force within the Batman universe that could've so successfully forced Batman to confront all of the darkest aspects of his nature. Only the Joker is maniacal and savage enough to go to the extremes that force those situations and decisions on Batman.
The thing that stung the most about the flick was how Batman made the noble choice, in saving Harvey instead of Rachel, for what he felt was the good of Gotham...and instead he helped unleash a monster, though that was mostly the Joker's doing. So he loses Rachel AND Harvey, for nothing.
Again, in terms of the personal war between Batman and Joker, that is "check" on the Joker's part.
Batman's countercheck is to allow himself to take the fall. He grows as a hero, reaches a new understanding about himself and the nature of his struggle. If he's going to follow the path of not outright killing his enemies, then he's going to have to make enormous sacrifices along the way.
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Post by EvilMasterBetty, Esq. on Jul 20, 2008 23:15:32 GMT -5
Only one thing, Batman thought he was saving Rachel. He even told Gordon, who heard the Joker give the two locations, that he was getting her. Joker lied because he wanted Harvey to live. He knew Batman would go for her first.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jul 20, 2008 23:23:32 GMT -5
Only one thing, Batman thought he was saving Rachel. He even told Gordon, who heard the Joker give the two locations, that he was getting her. Joker lied because he wanted Harvey to live. He knew Batman would go for her first. They don't play that up, then. It comes off more as Batman making the choice he doesn't want to make.
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Post by Big DSR Energy on Jul 20, 2008 23:28:15 GMT -5
See, I don't think Batman really made the right choice. He told Gordon that he was gonna go save Rachel, and Gordon thus said he was going for Dent. But when Bats got to the warehouse (Joker misdirection, obviously), it's not like he was gonna say "hmmm, not Rachel. Well, see ya later, Harv!" Had he made the choice to go for Harvey, he would've ultimately saved Rachel.
He went for who mattered most to him rather than who would've mattered most to Gotham, and everyone suffers for it. I think he had to learn the hard way to make the noble choice.
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Post by EvilMasterBetty, Esq. on Jul 20, 2008 23:28:32 GMT -5
Yeah I missed it when it happened too, but then I went and thought about it. Plus other people on here caught it as well.
The probably could have made that clearer because it carries a lot of meaning depending on what you think happened.
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Jul 20, 2008 23:59:01 GMT -5
Only one thing, Batman thought he was saving Rachel. He even told Gordon, who heard the Joker give the two locations, that he was getting her. Joker lied because he wanted Harvey to live. He knew Batman would go for her first. They don't play that up, then. It comes off more as Batman making the choice he doesn't want to make. See Batman tells Jim and all he's going for Rachel. So Jim and the police head towards Harvey's location. Batman then ends up at Harvey, and Jim at Rachel. If he had just changed his mind on the way there he would have met up with Jim and all at Harvey's location.
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Post by TRMcGillicutty on Jul 21, 2008 0:05:14 GMT -5
Saw it twice this weekend, and it was way better the second time. The Joker was flat out jaw dropping and Heath Ledger has given one hell of a final performance. The little naunces he put into the character, all the mannerisms, it was f***ing amazing to watch. Add in the music whenever something big happened with him (that crescendo high pitched noise gave me CHILLS).
I loved Harvey Dent's whole arc too, and I'm sad they killed him off so quick (he's dead, he wasn't moving and his eyes were open and dead), but oh well. If they do decide to ever bring The Joker back...I feel bad for whoever has to follow in those shoes.
All in all, an amazing movie, well worth owning and watching over and over again.
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Post by Big DSR Energy on Jul 21, 2008 0:23:20 GMT -5
I coulda swore that only one eye was open, and that eye was the one that really couldn't shut anyway. I think they left it ambiguous enough that, should they want him back for Batman 3, I'd have no problem with it. Then again, I thought Eckhart gave such a tremendous performance, I'd probably be willing to see him back even if it didn't make any sense whatsoever.
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Post by Arturo Classico on Jul 21, 2008 0:23:48 GMT -5
I have to say although The Dark Knight was awesome, but the hype and reaction to the movie is kind of ridiculous, I mean according to IMDB it's the best movie ever with is an utter joke but in my opinion it was the best Batman movie ever, not sure about best superhero movie ever Iron Man was awesome.
But regardless I hope they make a sequel. Now for the next movie I hope they shift the focus to Batman eliminating organized crime from Gotham and at the same time has to evade the law till the end when like it was said at the end of TDK becomes the hero the people want.
He battles a famed British Arms dealer than funneling weapons to the mob from Britain named Oswald Cobblepott that despises his nickname "The Penguin" and has a love of umbrellas. than have the Joker(I mean he could be recasted and really The Riddler isn't cool enough to be in the sequel) still cause chaos to the chagrin of the mob the police and Batman, but wont be the centerpiece of the movie. Oh and a new love interest socialite Selina Kyle who is secretly jewel thief "Catwoman" who does it for fun and is neither hero nor villain and just does things that benefit her own interests, oh and no getting super powers from cats nursing her to health.
Anyway thats what I'd do and I want the movie to have more Batman and his quest to save Gotham and just have the villians being secondary to him and not dominate over him like in Dark Knight.
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