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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 4, 2009 0:26:24 GMT -5
The WWE Era (post name change)? What name change? Don't you watch any dvds or 24/7? It's NEVER been called anything other than WWE! They just had really bad camera equipment between 1998 and 2002! The turnbuckle pads used to be printed with Bigfoot's face.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2009 0:31:52 GMT -5
Ariel beating up Kelly Kelly at December to Dismember, then pinning her by sitting on her face.
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Post by vanboxmeer on Jan 4, 2009 0:32:32 GMT -5
The top star Brock Lesnar leaving at WM 20 and winning the UFC Championship 6 years later.
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Post by cartern923 on Jan 4, 2009 0:39:51 GMT -5
In terms of an "era", I'm interested in how some would constitute those in the WWE...I would have them
Wrestlemania XIV to Wrestlemania X-Seven Wrestlemania X-Seven to Brand Extension
I don't really know where to go from there...maybe...
Brand Extension to Wrestlemania XX...or perhaps the first time JBL won the belt...
then I'm really lost from there...
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Post by Agent P on Jan 4, 2009 0:44:20 GMT -5
What name change? Don't you watch any dvds or 24/7? It's NEVER been called anything other than WWE! They just had really bad camera equipment between 1998 and 2002! The turnbuckle pads used to be printed with Bigfoot's face. And the referees showed their support by wearing blurry shirts. Remember when the WWE scratch logo was outlined with all that black? Those were the days.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jan 4, 2009 2:51:42 GMT -5
Throwing out Benoit and just leaving it as stuff that happened in the ring, I'd say it's Cena in Hammerstein. That right there is 100% proof that Cena is the right guy to carry the company. He took everything from the fans, and upped his game. It didn't throw him off at all. That night should have proven to everyone that Cena deserves the spot as THE top guy in the WWE. The top star Brock Lesnar leaving at WM 20 and winning the UFC Championship 6 years later. I think that's up there. Only because Lesnar could have been a huge star to carry the WWE for a long ass time. Imagine a main event scene with Orton, Cena, Batista, and Lesnar. Batista wouldn't last as long as the other 3, but damn that would be one stacked main event. The OVW class of 2002, it doesn't get better than that.
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Post by Bobby Womack on Jan 4, 2009 3:32:42 GMT -5
This picture says so damn much about wrestling for this era two guys who were in the main event scene for a cup of coffee, wrestled styles that dont really embody the wwe style, and were never really 'the guy', make up the defining moment of this era?
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Post by Loki on Jan 4, 2009 6:34:10 GMT -5
This picture says so damn much about wrestling for this era two guys who were in the main event scene for a cup of coffee, wrestled styles that dont really embody the wwe style, and were never really 'the guy', make up the defining moment of this era? The "Transitional Champions" Era that lasted a couple of months Seriously, WrestleMania XX has to be the least defining ending of a WrestleMania. Ever.
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Post by Jared Jammer on Jan 4, 2009 9:58:25 GMT -5
How about we pretend this era never happened and create a new era where the WWE doesn't suck?
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Post by dlg3000 on Jan 4, 2009 11:29:52 GMT -5
I think it was Naitch's retirement.
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Post by Red Lion on Jan 4, 2009 11:34:38 GMT -5
Agreed, but why do I agree? Personally, I think the defining moment was Cena showing up and winning the Rumble last year. Even though he didn't really get the "superman" push for the rest of that run, it was still a slap in the face to all the workers who busted their asses for the previous six months (Orton, Jeff, etc), any of whom deserved to win it and get that title shot. But no... we're going to drop it into Cena's lap IMMEDIATELY upon returning. I don't wish harm on anyone and don't relish in anybody's injury, but the show got infinitely more interesting when Cena was out with that injury. Orton REALLY stepped up his game in Cena's absence, and it pissed me off that WWE felt we needed "saving" by the almighty Cena. And I even mark for Cena from time to time. I think he can cut an awesome promo, and I'm warming up to his in-ring style (which I think has gotten better compared to 3 years ago). But as soon as he's back, the show just HAD to revolve around him. Exactly.
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Post by Red Lion on Jan 4, 2009 11:36:13 GMT -5
This picture says so damn much about wrestling for this era two guys who were in the main event scene for a cup of coffee, wrestled styles that dont really embody the wwe style, and were never really 'the guy', make up the defining moment of this era? True, plus revisionist history after June 2007 placed Benoit in the "not a very good worker anyway" category.
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Post by Chris the Bambikiller on Jan 4, 2009 12:45:29 GMT -5
It will be called the "Excuuuuuuse meeeee!" era in history books.
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Post by Lukin Stontmehn on Jan 4, 2009 13:01:52 GMT -5
It's the Kid from Fort Lauderdale at a House Show Era.
THE DOLPH ZAGLO !
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Post by MGH on Jan 4, 2009 13:03:51 GMT -5
I'm split on two. Either Cena tapping HHH at Wrestlemania 22 (more or less signifying this was the Cena era by overtaking HHH and his 02-05 run) or Edge cashing in on Cena at NYR.
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Post by Robbymac on Jan 4, 2009 13:04:10 GMT -5
Agreed, but why do I agree? Personally, I think the defining moment was Cena showing up and winning the Rumble last year. Even though he didn't really get the "superman" push for the rest of that run, it was still a slap in the face to all the workers who busted their asses for the previous six months (Orton, Jeff, etc), any of whom deserved to win it and get that title shot. But no... we're going to drop it into Cena's lap IMMEDIATELY upon returning. I don't wish harm on anyone and don't relish in anybody's injury, but the show got infinitely more interesting when Cena was out with that injury. Orton REALLY stepped up his game in Cena's absence, and it pissed me off that WWE felt we needed "saving" by the almighty Cena. And I even mark for Cena from time to time. I think he can cut an awesome promo, and I'm warming up to his in-ring style (which I think has gotten better compared to 3 years ago). But as soon as he's back, the show just HAD to revolve around him. Exactly. Already covered this. You couldn't be more wrong. Still waiting for someone to answer the question. With Jeff and Orton both in the title match, and knowing that Cena was healthy and was ready to come back. How would you have booked the Rumble match, and the subsequent weeks following. And in what way would it have done a better job of elevating someone, than the way that things played out in relation to elevating Orton?
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Post by wrestlecrapcrap on Jan 4, 2009 13:42:02 GMT -5
I'm struggling to define the eras. I think one would officially begin with Cena making HHH tap at 22. I would have said beating JBL at 21, but back then it was just one main eventer beating another, and 22 had him beating the companies biggest star. It cemented him as the next biggest star, and he still is.
However I've also been sensing that since Benoit, or maybe slightly before, they've attempted to make the stories a lot more compelling. At least it seems that way. I noticed when I first got back in that there wasn't much development or long term planning, but it started with trying to attempt the limo explosion, and carried on through with excellent PPVs pretty much from No Mercy onwards.
It could also be said that since they went PG, that is also an era. They seem to really know what direction they are heading in now, and know where their strengths are, and they have the talent to do it. Post 2002 had been an attempt to keep the attitude era going, but they couldn't do it as good as they had done. Then you had 2004 which was a bit of a mixture with technical guys being at the top, so it wasn't clearly defined. I think now they are clearly defined.
I think what I will say though is that Cena making HHH tap. It cemented him as the top guy, and firmly established what direction the company was now going in.
Robbymac is absolutely right on the Rumble also. Anything other than Cena winning would have sucked. With HHH it would have felt like we had gone backwards 6 years. The Rumble isn't just about elevating the winner. Sometimes that's the case, but everything has to contribute towards making the most money possible. Cena wins and Orton gets to beat him. It established Orton. Punk could have won, but it would have been a massive anti climax. Batista could have won, but there weren't really any plans for him. Taker could have won, but he had the year before. Kennedy could have won, but wouldn't have drawn enough for Mania.
Basically, to win the Rumble you have to be a main event player, or at the very least be just on the cuff, and the Rumble win is the thing that finally establishes you there for definate. Jeff Hardy going into Mania for example had huge momentum, but was still really an upper mid carder. He could have won and made it slightly realistic. It would have fitted. Someone like Punk or Kennedy were no where near suitable for winners. They were upper mid carders at best, but not on the cusp of the main event like Jeff was.
Cena was the best choice, for all the reasons mentioned.
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Post by Red Lion on Jan 4, 2009 13:45:38 GMT -5
Agreed, but why do I agree? Exactly. Already covered this. You couldn't be more wrong. Still waiting for someone to answer the question. With Jeff and Orton both in the title match, and knowing that Cena was healthy and was ready to come back. How would you have booked the Rumble match, and the subsequent weeks following. And in what way would it have done a better job of elevating someone, than the way that things played out in relation to elevating Orton? We clearly all secretly revel in Cena's awesomeness and you are a master debater. I'd have had Hulk Hogan return and win the Rumble, and then demand his title shot right afterwards, then Orton would come down to the ring randomly accompanied by Mr Fuji, at which point Fuji would accidentally throw salt in the eyes of Orton. One leg drop later... That would set things up better.
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Post by punkish on Jan 4, 2009 13:52:22 GMT -5
This is easy; when John Cena made Triple H tap out at Wrestlemania 22.
It might not be popular here (because Cena was REALLY, REALLY hated at the time), but I think it set the course for everything since.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jan 4, 2009 13:52:42 GMT -5
I think its hard to define any era, especially one that is still going on.
I think from 97 to 2002 was the Attitude Era. 2002 to 2004: Transition (?) 2005-Today: Cena Era
That's what I'd probably say.
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