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Post by tripleh on Apr 30, 2005 14:20:29 GMT -5
but their is NO way he can be any bigger or better then he is now. I bet you woulda said the same thing to Shawn Micheals when he lost the title to SCSA. He's put on some of the bst matches of his career "past" his so-called prime.
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Post by theshriekingshiek on Apr 30, 2005 14:22:18 GMT -5
my beef with HHH is that while he is trying to build a legacy he has already reached his peak and slowly declining. he can stay in the spot he's in now or he can fall off, but their is NO way he can be any bigger or better then he is now. I agree, the only way is down now, he's got nowhere to really go, all it will probably be for the next few years; Trips wins it, loses it, Wins in, loses it. He doesn't have to carry the company because they've got some great talent that should have a push, that's why it's good Batista should a decent run. I'd prefer it if Triple H stayed out the title picture & feuded with someone about something else..I dunno..pride or something just to show he's not all about the belt and he can fight for other things. I'd say he's over enough that he'll never need the belt again!
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Post by WWE Trademarked My Name on Apr 30, 2005 14:26:12 GMT -5
I hate Triple H,I think he's boring and I flip the channel when I see his face but I think critics are extremely tough on the guy. When he tore his quad and continued the match even going through a Walls of Jericho (honestly that would hurt like hell) that showed his life was wrestling, if it was me (or Kevin Nash) I'd lie down and let my tag partner finish the match without me. I think he hasn't been the same wrestler he was since then but I don't think any of the HHH/HBK matches were snoozefests or that Benoit carried the match at WMXX like Double You said. I think when people say the guy never jobs that it's pretty lame because I remember him going from WrestleMania XX to sometime in I think May without ever winning a match. He jobbed to Benoit, Benjamin, and some others. I'm not sure if he has a jobbing problem now because I stopped watching after Orton turned face and the Diva Search seemed like it'd never end. I think it's pretty sad that HHH is so obsessed with being the best in the busisness that people like Y2J & Benoit are being held down right now.
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Post by tripleh on Apr 30, 2005 14:30:20 GMT -5
How is Benoit being held down???
He's semi-main eventing the PPV. Everyone can't be in the World Title scene. HHH v. Batista is a legitimate program. It's been building for a long time.
I'm sure Benoit will get another chance on top. HHH won't be champion forever, every legend has their time on top, HHH is just having his right now...
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Post by Brother Ike: Thread Killer on Apr 30, 2005 14:33:48 GMT -5
I bet you woulda said the same thing to Shawn Micheals when he lost the title to SCSA. He's put on some of the bst matches of his career "past" his so-called prime. yes, but to change the subject for a second, you would have to look at some of his opponets of the last three years HHH(one of the only few people that trips will let upstage him) Jericho Angle Benoit (and those three people could get a good match out of anyone when workin their style.) Im not sayin that shawn cant put on good matches anymore (ot hhh for that matter) but it takes two to tango and three to do a conga line
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2005 14:34:30 GMT -5
You've got to love this board. Always good for a laugh ;D
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Post by Brother Ike: Thread Killer on Apr 30, 2005 14:39:32 GMT -5
You've got to love this board. Always good for a laugh ;D darn tootin. (gets a beer out of the cooler for Cyclone and lays back to watch everyone else argue.)
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Post by tripleh on Apr 30, 2005 14:40:54 GMT -5
Im not sayin that shawn cant put on good matches anymore (ot hhh for that matter) but it takes two to tango and three to do a conga line I agree. Shawn has had great opponents. He can still hold up his end of the deal though. It's not like nWo Hogan NEVER putting on a good match. Micheals has done some of his best work post back injury. I never thought we would have HBK on a full schedule ever again. We do and he delivers...
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Post by HMARK Center on Apr 30, 2005 15:29:50 GMT -5
Are you that much of a HHHater that you credit the whole match to Benoit? I ain't no number 1 fan by a long stretch of the imigination but ignoring his contribution to the match is quite franky, plain ignorance. It took 3 men to make that match - HBK, HHH & Benoit While I wouldn't argue that one man carried the WM XX main event, I also think that match gets a LOT more credit than it deserves. It was far from being the Match of the Year (hell, it wasn't even Match of the Night; yeah, I know, opinions, but whatever) everyone said it was. Not to say it was bad; quite the contrary, it was a good match. But not a great one. What WAS great was the aftermath, and how emotional the Benoit win was, especially with Eddy running down to join him. That was a great moment. Anyways, Triple H is a man who wants to be considered the best, but he won't be, and it won't even have to do with his marriage to Stephanie. While I won't say the guy's a bad worker, I still have a hard time seeing what's special about him, beyond above average promos (which have really lost their impact since they've become about the same damn subject matter every week for the last three years or so).
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Post by nutbunnies on Apr 30, 2005 16:04:48 GMT -5
Here's the problem, and I JUST noticed it with the first post.
Triple H is in the title scene 99% of the time.
Other wrestlers who won the title have lower card feuds too. Eddie is facing Rey, Benoit is facing Edge, and Jericho has been in midcard Hell since he lost the title THREE YEARS AGO.
But Triple H is in the title/main event picture most of the time. In the past, oh, three years, he's had two non-title feuds I can think of. Eugene and Shawn Michaels. Both were LAST YEAR. And even when he faced Michaels, he was STILL in the main event spot!
Wrestlemania 6.
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Post by whoopdeedoo on Apr 30, 2005 16:28:40 GMT -5
Microwaves popcorn and sits in recliner with fly open.
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Post by tripleh on Apr 30, 2005 16:44:44 GMT -5
Here's the problem, and I JUST noticed it with the first post. Triple H is in the title scene 99% of the time. Other wrestlers who won the title have lower card feuds too. Eddie is facing Rey, Benoit is facing Edge, and Jericho has been in midcard Hell since he lost the title THREE YEARS AGO. But Triple H is in the title/main event picture most of the time. In the past, oh, three years, he's had two non-title feuds I can think of. Eugene and Shawn Michaels. Both were LAST YEAR. And even when he faced Michaels, he was STILL in the main event spot! Wrestlemania 6. Watch Smackdown then...He's in the World title picture 0% of the time over there. You are right about Wrestlemania 6, but that is truly an exception. Hogan lost to a HUGE face. I didn't see Hogan lay down for Savage. Did Savage ever get a clean victory of Hogan in WWF?
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Post by B.A. on Apr 30, 2005 16:45:07 GMT -5
phentari had a good argument even though he liked hhh, Tripleh didnt, i think we see the results dont we? if you dont have any good backup, then your basically fighting in a no contest argument
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Post by KLRA on Apr 30, 2005 17:22:29 GMT -5
I just have one thing to say on this subject before I sit back and watch while eating corndogs.
Triple H first won the title in 1999. It is now 2005. That's six years. He has held the title 10 times in those six years. The first...oh, three times he had the belt I thought it was great. Then he started to become slightly stale. Then he left for surgery and came back, and even though I am a HYOOOOGE Jericho mark, I was excited to see him win the title because it was FRESH.
Then he became "the game." Where every promo is filled with "I'm the best" "you can say politics all you want" "I am that damn good" "fear the reaper" "etc" "etc" "etc". I just became bored with the guy. Yeah, the guy can be awesome on the stick, and constantly puts on ***+ matches. Hell, he even carried Kevin Nash to an enjoyable match. The fact is, in my opinion at least, is that he is not enjoyable at the top of the card anymore. I loved his series with Shelton Benjamin because it was FRESH.
I just think that if Triple H wasn't on the top of the card for roughly 11 out of 12 months of the year, I would find him more enjoyable. Look at Kurt Angle. In the past year he has been on top of the card rarely, yet the man still gets huge pops, and is looked at as being one of the best. Why? Because he doesn't become stale.
Vistors and fish stink after three days. You could say that people on top of the card (now a days) stink after three months on top.*
*unless you're JBL. That guy is a wrestling GOD.
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Post by Tim on Apr 30, 2005 17:47:57 GMT -5
Triple H will break the record for most world titles because he deserves it. He is truely The Game.
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Post by boogert on Apr 30, 2005 18:15:36 GMT -5
Triple H will break the record for most world titles because he deserves it. He is truely The Game. So he breaks the reocrd, big deal. The title was just created one day because he couldn't stand being the second best. I garuntee you, that only about 2 of his reigns are actually earned. Not one title reign since 2002 has been with out politics playing a role. As far as him being good, no way in hell. He has a horrid move set and basically uses his knee for most of it. HHH is never gonna have a legacy more than Flair. Flair's title reign's meant something each time, whether it be a storyline advancement or an emotional moment. HHH is just using his backstage power to try and get ahead of Flair( see the Edge-Benoit-HHH 3-wat title match/ NYR Chamber match), and try to be the best. Fact is, he is only where he is, with that little gold band wrapped on his finger nowadays. I feel sorry for him, only because he is just getting worse and worse as time passes. When he has "beaten" all those records, is anyone really gonna even remember them anyways. How many people can actually remember his first title win? How many people can say he actually carried a 4 or 5 star match without a Rock, Foley, Austin, Benoit, HBK, Jericho or Angle? HHH is lucky to be where he is today because of his wife. It is all about the game, the game of politics.
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Post by phentari on Apr 30, 2005 21:54:41 GMT -5
Anyways, Triple H is a man who wants to be considered the best, but he won't be, and it won't even have to do with his marriage to Stephanie. While I won't say the guy's a bad worker, I still have a hard time seeing what's special about him, beyond above average promos (which have really lost their impact since they've become about the same damn subject matter every week for the last three years or so). Hitman-- Don't get me wrong, I'm not claiming that Triple H is better than Angle, or Guerrero, or Benoit--personally, I'd rather watch any of the three, given my druthers. All of them want to be the best in the business, naturally, and all of them are up close to the very top. Angle has a shot at that kind of legacy, if his neck will only hold up; so does Benoit. Eddie might not be remembered as the best of all time, but he'll be remembered as one of the greats. The difference, though, is that I don't think Triple H can get there no matter what he does. ..and that really DOES suck, because I think that on some level he knows it. Angle knows that when he busts his ass for the business, people respect him for it. Ditto Eddie, and ditto Benoit. Triple H knows that, whether he busts his ass or sits on it, a good chunk of the wrestling community will claim that he's riding the Stephanie train to Titleville yet again. Seriously--put yourself in his shoes for just a second. Imagine having to hear, on a regular basis, that you don't give a damn about your wife and that you only married her so you could have a shiny gold belt around your waist. Wouldn't that piss you off? I'm never going to mark out for Triple H. I don't find Triple H all that entertaining. But I do feel some sympathy for him, because when it comes right down to it, his legacy won't be based on what he does or does not do.
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Post by Rorschach on Apr 30, 2005 22:18:22 GMT -5
Ahhh....sympathy for the devil, cause it must suck to rule in Hell.
Crap on that....it's his own damned fault for making the damned power play in the FIRST place! You can say that he won't be remembered for his efforts in the ring, and you can say that it sucks that things are that way, but bottom line.....
Hunter made the grab for power, and now he's got to suffer the consequences of that power grab, namely that the serious, smart fans of wrestling will always assume that he's only at the top of the card cause of Steph. Cry me a god damn river.
I am not a Hunter hater by trade...but like many of the others on this board, I find it repugnant that someone would blindly strangle to death the sport that he claims to love, only because he can't stand to be second best. I grow bored of seeing the main focus of RAW being HHH week after week after week after week after week after week after week. Even when he isn't the champ, it's "all about the Game"....ENOUGH! And why in the blue hell does everyone that beats him for the title have to feud with him for a month immediately after? Can't someone beat HHH and go on and feud with, I dunno, SOMEONE ELSE?
For God's Sake.....
ENOUGH!
Here, in my mind, are the "crimes" that HHH has commited against wrestling, the fans etc.
1. He has blatantly held back those performers who were more popular than him, or who got a bigger reaction than him, or who somehow threatened his sense of superiority. (See Jericho, Chris. Also Benoit, Chris. Also....) 2. He has hogged the main event spot EVEN THOUGH his performance and ability have declined over the past ten years. You can't tell me that he hasn't done this either.
And that's just the tip of the iceberg....
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Post by EvilShadow76 on Apr 30, 2005 22:31:10 GMT -5
I'm not knocking the guy, but deep down he had to have known all this negativity towards him was gonna happen at some point by marrying the owner's daughter.
That's why it's hard to feel sympathy for Triple H's current situation. If he really wanted to prove he's the best then he should step down from the main event and let others through. I mean if he's really the best then he don't need that belt all the time does he?
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Post by doubleyou on Apr 30, 2005 23:46:32 GMT -5
Ugh, s***, I have a lot of writing to get through.
Oh waitaminute - I just have to contradict many things with relatively short lines compared to the average columnist.
Uh, no, I say that Benoit contributed the most to the match than either Shawn or Trips. Watch the match - the match was ALL Benoit. Also, as I said before, if Benoit wasn't a part of the match, then it the match would've sucked as hard as HHH vs. HBK at the Royal Rumble 2004 did.
Blah Blah Blah... Yes, I'm ignorant now because I say that Benoit carries the match. Explain to me why, in the same year, Triple H went on to bore the s*** out of me in Hell in a Cell with Shawn, and Benoit went on to wrestle Kane in a match that wasn't too bad (Yes, Kane, the slow guy).
Oh yeah, I forgot - I won't admit that Triple H is the best. Yeah, because your opinions are all high and mighty. Yep.
You know what's pathetic? The fact that the younger Flair marks had only watched Ric's prime from his DVD, and they'd rather see that DVD repeatedly rather than Triple H NOW.
Oh, and if members of his forum only marked out for Flair because of his legacy, people would be screaming the names of 'Hulk Hogan', 'Ultimate Warrior' and 'Dusty Rhodes'. Eugh.
No, we moan because we have to see Triple H's pointy nose on every Raw episode in the main event. In case you haven't noticed, TripleH, Triple H is THE star of Raw. And that 'IWC' talk is utter nonsense. You're trying to accuse Smarks for thinking a certain way rather than trying to prove your points properly. You like to tell us that the Internet hates Triple H for a certain reason, but you can't tell us why you like him at all, apart from the fact that he's building some kind of shallow legacy.
Yes, my opinions ARE wrong. Hey, Jocko, rather than just tell me that I'm 'wrong, wrong, wrong,' tell me why Benoit didn't carry the match. After all, I've seen the match about 16 times, so I definitely have a right to my OWN opinion.
Are you a so-called 'thought-provoking' poster? You're just telling us things that Triple H rambles on about for 15 minutes a week.
Oh, I get it.
Because we may be overweight, we know nothing of wrestling.
What a f***ing joke; you might as well tell paraplegics that they know nothing of football because they can't even play the game.
We're not allow to speak our minds on wrestling, so all we can do is talk about the 'facts' that Triple H likes to roar at us every week. Because, after all, Triple H is a ten time champion, he's OUR GOD.
Again, what crap.
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