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Post by phentari on Apr 30, 2005 11:33:12 GMT -5
Yep. You heard me right.
Now, don't get me wrong: Triple H is NOT, by any stretch of the imagination, my favorite wrestler. I think he's been extremely stale for the last several years.
However, I do, on some level, feel sorry for him. That may seem odd--I mean, here's someone who spends more time with a world championship around his waist than just about anyone else, who will likely break Flair's record for most world championships ever held, who has Flair himself singing his praises, and who stands to at least partially inherit the mantle of Vince McMahon.
Why, then, do I feel sorry for him?
On one point, those who love Triple H and those who hate him agree: he wants to be known as the best of all time. Indeed, I'd go so far as to say he's obsessed with it, and I don't think that's a stretch. You don't put in the kind of time in the gym that he does to be second best. You don't claw your way back from an injury that should have ended your career because you want to rest on your laurels.
Like him or hate him, Triple H has busted his a** to achieve his goal of being the best. While it's sometimes hard to remember now, he DID work his way up to the top--and then got knocked down several notches and had to do it again, thanks to the Kliq debacle.
But here's the thing: I don't think he'll ever get what he really wants. I don't think he canTEXT get what he really wants.
No matter what he does, no matter how hard he tries, every single thing Triple H does or accomplishes will be viewed through the lens of his marriage to Stephanie. When he wins the title--regardless of whether it advances the storyline--there will come mutters of favoritism. When he puts on a great match (and he does still have a few in him...remember Wrestlemania last year?) in which he puts over his opponent, it'll be diminished by the predictions that the belt will be back around his waist within a month.
Now, I'm not saying that Triple H hasn't used his influence. I'm not saying he hasn't put himself in the limelight too much. I'm not even saying that I enjoy watching the guy.
But here's a man who has dedicated his life to a craft--and who stands an excellent chance of being a victim of his own success, unable ever to be remembered as the best even if he actually BECOMES the best.
And that's enough to make me feel a little sorry for anyone.
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Post by B.A. on Apr 30, 2005 11:40:11 GMT -5
might wanna watch your back from other posters anyway, good argument, his fame will be attributed to steph....but only cause he used it to his advantage, and gained where others will never, not to mention hes in a position where his credibility is questionable but his heel skills are very good for the umpteenth time...i like hhh, his "im the best promos: on raw no matter the time cause basically raw sucks with bimbos and no charisimatic people running around and stuff i hate paul levesque-that is backstage trips
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Post by doubleyou on Apr 30, 2005 11:46:44 GMT -5
On one point, those who love Triple H and those who hate him agree: he wants to be known as the best of all time. Indeed, I'd go so far as to say he's obsessed with it, and I don't think that's a stretch. You don't put in the kind of time in the gym that he does to be second best. So they're OK standards for Triple H, but not for Kurt, Eddie, Brock, Benoit, Hardcore Holly, Chris Masters, or anyone else who hits the gym a lot? The same could be said for Kurt and Benoit. Haw haw. He was going to receive a push in his early days anyway - it was merely 'on hold' as a result of the MSG incident. And what Triple H did to receive his first World Title was nothing more than what Eddie, Benoit, Jericho or Ric Flair had done to earn it. In fact, what HHH has done for the business is substantially lower in relevance and importance compared to those four guys. Well, that's because it is. Maybe if he had about 95% less TV time than he does now, I might like the guy. But he doesn't, so I don't. Oh well. First of all, Benoit carried that whole match. If he didn't, the match would've become yet another HHH/HBK snoozefest. Second, so what if he put Benoit over? It's his friggin' job. He didn't do anything special in his profession at all. Benoit jobs a million times in WCW, but nobody cares. Triple H puts Benoit and Batista over a couple of times, and he's The Angel Of Life. He never has, never will and does NOT deserve to be the best. End thread.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2005 12:14:17 GMT -5
First of all, Benoit carried that whole match. If he didn't, the match would've become yet another HHH/HBK snoozefest. End thread. Are you that much of a HHHater that you credit the whole match to Benoit? I ain't no number 1 fan by a long stretch of the imigination but ignoring his contribution to the match is quite franky, plain ignorance. It took 3 men to make that match - HBK, HHH & Benoit
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Post by STMP on Apr 30, 2005 12:23:22 GMT -5
Triple H can easily go and say "Batista, take the ball and run with it. Go feud with Benoit and I'll be on the undercard feuding with Shelton Benjamin, getting him over."
But he doesn't, he keeps putting himself in the top position. And because of that, people don't see him as the best. If he'd let someone else take the number one spot and Triple H would be putting on classic matches with upper-midcarders, getting them over. He would be seen as a credible wrestler.
Just look at Benoit. He is considered one of the best, but he has never been the number one guy. He's only a one time champion and I doubt that he'll ever hold the World title again. But everytime he puts on a great match and he puts others over. That's what makes him a future legend.
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Post by luckyd27 on Apr 30, 2005 12:23:44 GMT -5
Well written man. Only thing wrong with that is that HHH should be your favorite wrestler. ;D
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Post by tripleh on Apr 30, 2005 13:06:44 GMT -5
HHH is the greatest heel of this decade. You can deny his greatness all you want but that doesn't mean it doesn't hold true.
Look at all the Flair marks! I bet 90% of the Flair marks on this board didn't watch him in his prime. I bet they didn't watch him in the 80's. They mark out to him because of his legacy. HHH is making a legacy.
It's ignorant to try and say how unimportant a persons accomplishments are going to be. True greatness is revealed upon reflection.
The reason the internet community is resented it because of dippoopys who moan about HHH's personal life. The internet community is weak because of know nothing blathering about how bad everythign is.
Double You, you are a well "spoken" poster. You make points and you back them up, I respect that.
I just think your HHH bashing is over done. Benoit DID NOT carry the Wrestlemania XX main event. You ARE wrong. If you ask Benoit yourself he will tell you that you ARE wrong. You are just flat out wrong.
Everyone lets the fact HHH is truly a great heel over-shadow the fact he is a great athlete and a great pro wrestler.
Maybe I expect too much from this community. I hope others on this site would be un-biased and view wrestling from an educated fan point of view. I was hoping for discussion on thought provoking topics. I was wrong.
I will continue to post here because I do come across enlightened well versed wrestling fans sometimes.
I think the out of shape, keyboard clacking, asexual, wrestling critics need to take a step back and realize this IS HHH era. He IS going down in history. You can sit behind your computer and eat all the candy bars you want. You can sit and play all of the video games you want. Nothing you say or do will change teh FACT HHH is going down as one of the best in history. When HHH's greatest hits DVD comes out it will be BETTER than Flairs, Benoits, and Foleys. Has delivered on the big stage more than all of them put together. he is the FIRST heel to ever walk out of Wrestlemania as World champion. HHH had broken classic wrestling boundries. He will not be forgotten and he will be a legend to a greater status than Flair, Benoit or Jericho.
The Truth shall set you free...
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Post by vincemcnashlegs on Apr 30, 2005 13:17:14 GMT -5
Thanks for letting us know that that are pro HHH, Triple H.
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Post by tripleh on Apr 30, 2005 13:27:57 GMT -5
Thanks for letting us know that that are pro HHH, Triple H. Are you jealous that I'm Wrestlecraps #1 heel? TripleH v. Double You will he the highest rated Wrestlecrap battle of all time. But before we book it I need to know if any Mods have a daughter I can marry? i mean since I really suck I better get with one of the Mods daughters so I can have free reign of the boards.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2005 13:31:54 GMT -5
Maybe I expect too much from this community. I hope others on this site would be un-biased and view wrestling from an educated fan point of view. I was hoping for discussion on thought provoking topics. I was wrong. I will continue to post here because I do come across enlightened well versed wrestling fans sometimes. I think the out of shape, keyboard clacking, asexual, wrestling critics need to take a step back and realize this IS HHH era. He IS going down in history. Well no offense but when you come on with the name Triple H & constantly talk about how great he is and how everything good in wrestling is his doing and reply to well thought out posts with HHH rulez then people get hostile
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Post by Phoenix on Apr 30, 2005 13:37:45 GMT -5
I will start by saying that ye I am a huge HHH fan. Do I think he will go down as the greatest of all time. Probably not just because of his personal life and that is not a very good reason personally.
He has been in many hot feuds that have done good things for the business. He was one of the front runners, in my opinion, of the Attitude era the took wrestling to new heights in the late 90's.
I dont think its fair that everyone bashes him and seemingly puts the weight of the world on his shoulders because he is trying so hard to be the best. There have been many people post on here saying that HHH is the only reason that the WWE sucks right now. And i totally disagree. There are many reasons the WWE has been in a slump lately mainly due to there being no competition for them and Vince has become very laid back in his approach to things for the past few years.
In closing HHH may not be the best ever but he is the best right now. It is not his fault that they dont push everyone else. Yes he may have a little influence but it is not his final say in the matter either. I think the higher up need to grow a pair and and start doing whats right for the business then maybe all this bashing will stop.
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Post by tripleh on Apr 30, 2005 13:44:37 GMT -5
In closing HHH may not be the best ever but he is the best right now. . Welcome to my stable...you are now friends with Wrestlecrap's Top Heel....Triple H
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Post by theshriekingshiek on Apr 30, 2005 13:52:06 GMT -5
He's good wrestler, he is in great shape, he can cut a good promo (Best ones in his DX days IMO!) & he's a good guy to have at the top....BUT Benoit, Eddie etc are like that to it's just there not sleeping with Steph(as far as I know). There's got to be nepitism there for the belt to keep going on him & as people ohave said, people won't remember him for his matches etc they'll remember him because he's part of the McMahon family.
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Post by tripleh on Apr 30, 2005 13:58:10 GMT -5
There's got to be nepitism there for the belt to keep going on him & as people ohave said, people won't remember him for his matches etc they'll remember him because he's part of the McMahon family. WRONG. Snot-nosed little smarks will remember him for being with Stephanie. A non-objective wrestling fan will remember him for being the biggest heel on this decade. A non-objective fan will remember him for his stellar Wrestlemania main events. He TOOK the ball and ran with it. I'll remember that...
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Post by havik on Apr 30, 2005 13:59:24 GMT -5
TripleH v. Double You will he the highest rated Wrestlecrap battle of all time. I CAN'T WAIT for this one.* *I'm serious. I hope it happens right about after Backlash.
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Post by havik on Apr 30, 2005 14:03:29 GMT -5
We mustn't forget that he lost at Wrestlemania* TWO years in a row. TWO YEARS. Both CLEAN victories over him.
How is that not helping the other wrestlers?? Even Batista Himself said "I don't plan on being the world champ ten times". Some wreslters don't want to be in the main event picture that long, they are content with just doing what they love.
*Wrestlemania is wrestling's version of the superbowl.
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Post by tripleh on Apr 30, 2005 14:06:41 GMT -5
That's why he is the game. He does what's right. I never saw Hogan in his prime on his back at Wrestlemania. HHH is a team player. He'll take one for the team at the biggest show of the year, 2 years in a row...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2005 14:12:35 GMT -5
WRONG. Snot-nosed little smarks will remember him for being with Stephanie. A non-objective wrestling fan will remember him for being the biggest heel on this decade. A non-objective fan will remember him for his stellar Wrestlemania main events. 2 things. You're a smark too. We're all smarks, just accept it, love it and don't try to paint it differently Also, A non-objective fan is one with a biased opinion, say a poster with the name "HHH sucks" or " Triple H". Unless you typed what you did on purpose in which case I have no idea what point you are trying to make
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Post by Brother Ike: Thread Killer on Apr 30, 2005 14:13:09 GMT -5
my beef with HHH is that while he is trying to build a legacy he has already reached his peak and slowly declining. he can stay in the spot he's in now or he can fall off, but their is NO way he can be any bigger or better then he is now.
Another thing i would like to add to the equation is that vinnie mac is now trying to build the new era of wrestling like the 80's and attitude but to do that he would have to do the same thing that made those two era's a sucess and make it TOTALLY Different then them with a new look, new storylines, and a new stars. And having HHH, one of the top guys of Attitude as the star of the new are woudnt work unless he went through a severe image change (ala the Ministry undertaker and nwo hogan)
...wow, nearly a hundred posts and this is my first time talkin bout HHH lol
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Post by tripleh on Apr 30, 2005 14:16:52 GMT -5
2 things. You're a smark too. We're all smarks, just accept it, love it and don't try to paint it differently I am a Smark. I'm nto a snot nosed, pimply face, wimpy little smark though. I'm not a pissy little nobody complaining about the business I wish I were part of. I am a Smark who enjoy wrestling. I enjoy all facets of it. I understnad how much of it works and I embrace that. I use the term Smart Marks for good. Instead of being a Smart out of shape bucket of shit sitting behind a keyboard moaning.
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