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Post by Rorschach on Feb 10, 2009 18:42:48 GMT -5
Piper got stabbed multiple times in some territories. Number one reason you can't really blame wrestlers for snapping on pushy fans. Knives are incredibly easy to conceal, and, funny enough, can kill ya. Which brings us (or me anyway) back full circle: It's why Jericho should have stayed in the car, and also why once he made the choice to exit the vehicle, he had no choice BUT to hit/defend himself against that chick.
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Post by Mr Kimura on Feb 10, 2009 18:50:56 GMT -5
Number one reason you can't really blame wrestlers for snapping on pushy fans. Knives are incredibly easy to conceal, and, funny enough, can kill ya. Which brings us (or me anyway) back full circle: It's why Jericho should have stayed in the car, and also why once he made the choice to exit the vehicle, he had no choice BUT to hit/defend himself against that chick. Thats my stance pretty much, he should have staid in, but once he got out he had no choice but to defend himself by any means necessary. It doesn't matter the gender, by any means necessary.
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Post by parder on Feb 10, 2009 19:05:55 GMT -5
Sorry if some find the sig disturbing. I'm keeping it, though, because it makes me laugh, it was time for a new sig anyway, and I've had a number of compliments on it. In case you haven't noticed WWE is using a similar photo on their website with the official press release on the matter: www.wwe.com/inside/industrynews/jerichoassaultedSo if you're being 'tasteless' (I don't think so) then you're in strong company ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 10, 2009 19:10:10 GMT -5
Sorry if some find the sig disturbing. I'm keeping it, though, because it makes me laugh, it was time for a new sig anyway, and I've had a number of compliments on it. In case you haven't noticed WWE is using a similar photo on their website with the official press release on the matter: www.wwe.com/inside/industrynews/jerichoassaultedSo if you're being 'tasteless' (I don't think so) then you're in strong company ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) Haha, awesome. I picked this image since he seemed to be readying his fist. I guess they had the same idea.
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Post by parder on Feb 10, 2009 20:41:10 GMT -5
Also creating a hyperlink for the word 'Victoria' to the page for the wrestler Victoria makes the first sentence rather humorous ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by neilfrazier on Feb 10, 2009 21:39:06 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but if I spit on someone and provoke them by grabbing onto them and banging their head into a car....then I am expecting someone to try to fight back. You cannot ask for trouble and then turn around and blame Jericho. It's just another idiot trying to run a lawsuit and earn money she wouldn't ever earn on her own.
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Post by BlackJackRobby on Feb 10, 2009 22:03:28 GMT -5
The courts in Canada don't give money to anyone with a pitty story either so both of them just got owned by Jericho and they get nothing for it. (which is what they deserve)
I totally feel this is real, but it plays into his character so much that it's almost like he did it to be an old school heel.
Cause if this happened in the 80's or earlier hell he could of stabbed the chick and got away with it, cause you know dang well they would have tried to do it to him.
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Post by Sharpy Snow on Feb 11, 2009 7:49:54 GMT -5
For the record, if it was a guy Jericho hit, especially if the guy was in the Paparazzi (Who deserve everything they get IMO, but that's for another time), 75% of the people complaining would be praising him for defending himself from this nutball.
But because it's a woman, he's expected to either a) Ask her polietly to get off his back or b) Just take it and get potentially beaten down by a woman in front of 49 jeering 'fans' and a bunch of useless members of security.
I'm just saying. [/Helms]
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2009 8:28:48 GMT -5
For the record, if it was a guy Jericho hit, especially if the guy was in the Paparazzi (Who deserve everything they get IMO, but that's for another time), 75% of the people complaining would be praising him for defending himself from this nutball. But because it's a woman, he's expected to either a) Ask her polietly to get off his back or b) Just take it and get potentially beaten down by a woman in front of 49 jeering 'fans' and a bunch of useless members of security. True story: I used to work for the Calgary Police Service as a civilian (computer programmer) and so spent a lot of time downtown, as my half-cubicle (don't ask..) was in the main district building. On one lunch hour, I was walking to my favorite diner, and about a block away, I had the joy of watching a male officer try and arrest a female who was fighting like a savage. Swinging, flailing, kicking (including in the "lower lower abdomen", to quote Mr. Heenan), and when he finally got her prone on the ground, he tried to get her to place her hands behind her back. Well, she started screaming bloody murder, clasped her hands together, shrieked and cried, the whole nine yards. The officer eventually had to escalate the use of force guidelines (which he followed to a T, by the way) to pressing his knee into her back and pry her hands apart via small joint manipulation (aka bending the fingers to break the grip). Naturally the crowd that gathered started booing, jeering and everything. One woman started shrieking "oh she's a f***ing woman, you big bully!". Naturally I shot back "she's also violently resisting arrest, you f***ing moron!" and wound up loudly and vocally defending this officer's actions. I offered to give a statement, which I did -- so much for my lunch hour! -- and was later thanked profusely by the officer and his partner. Apparently, whenever a male officer has to physically arrest a violent female in public, there is a wave of complaints, and the officer will undergo a whole extra level fierce scrutiny on his actions. Not only did my statement help mollify that to a large degree, they were able to also charge the woman with disturbing the peace which they could not do without a witness. So yes, pardon the long rambling narrative, but I've seen this double standard first hand, and I take great pride in knowing I helped fight it in my own little way. But what did they expect the officer to do? Tell the lady that she is free to kick him in the lower lower abdomen for another ten minutes while a female officer is called off her beat to do the arrest? Likewise, what was Jericho to do? He was being bullied and physically assaulted. It doesn't matter if the bully was half his size, he did what he had to do to end it. Similarly, my son (the definition of a 'gentle giant') was routinely bullied in Kindergarden by a child half his size. He finally snapped and shoved the bully back (by the teacher's account, about three feet across the room) and I couldn't be prouder. Now, does the gender of my son's bully matter in the least?
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Feb 11, 2009 8:51:32 GMT -5
If society wants an end to sexism, then POSITIVE discrimination needs to be stopped as well. That is to say- women and men should be treated equally, which means in EVERY regard. If a woman starts attacking or shoving and spitting and hauling off on a man, she should be allowed to be retaliated upon as if she were a man. She knows exactly what she's getting into and did it anyway, she should thus be also liable for the same cosequneces as a man would ie. the risk of getting hit. "Weaker sex" is bollocks. You get some damn strong women and some rather puny men, yet the majority of society currently still demands you treat the physically dangerous woman with care yet can beat the shit out of the weak dude because he's male.
I fully support Jericho here. In asituation like that you have no idea what is going to happen- 10 or 20 on 1 is bad enough, but for all hge knew they could have had bottles, knives, anything. Someone grabs him from behind in a tense and hostile situation like that AFTER trying to resolve it, he has every right to deck them.
As for "he shouldnt have got out of his car" what else does he do? Stay in it and hope nothing worse happens? He had to clear a way somehow. If the mob reacted so violently when he got out they would have probably acted similar had he stayed in. Trashed or tipped the car, and then what does he do? Also the guy shut the door on him, end of story that's physical provocation.
Only qualm I have about Jericho's actions is that he started getting aggressive with the security. Yes they should have done their jbo and such a role requires great responsibility, but Jericho should've tried to shwo more restraint with them. But I dunno how I'd act in the same situation so I can't really judge. And I'd say this if it was Orton or Batista or anyone involved in the incident- there's right and wrong ways of doing things, not right or wrong culprits.
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Post by Big Daddy on Feb 11, 2009 11:51:38 GMT -5
Nobody has the right to put thier hands on you. If you do and get knocked out then it's on you. I live by a motto you can cuss me all you want but you you put your nasty hands on me you better kill me causse I am going to beat your butt.
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Post by Marvelously Mediocre on Feb 11, 2009 12:32:04 GMT -5
.....can't we all just get along?
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Post by The Peoples Elbow on Feb 11, 2009 12:45:05 GMT -5
Ok, so my wife watched the video and said "the bitch got what she deserved!" I concur!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2009 13:09:51 GMT -5
.....can't we all just get along? Funny, I thought we were doing just that. Passionate discussion of a controversial, multi-faceted issue doesn't mean we aren't getting along. It means we're all trying to learn a little bit more about ourselves and each other. I see it as absolutely nothing but a good thing. Unless you meant "Jericho" and "Jericho's assailant" in which case, +1 for Rodney King reference.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2009 15:01:28 GMT -5
If society wants an end to sexism, then POSITIVE discrimination needs to be stopped as well. That is to say- women and men should be treated equally, which means in EVERY regard. This, this, this, and precisely this. I live my life in as fierce a gender-/race-/sexual orientation-blind way as possible. My goal is to make the maximum number of decisions possible where one could switch any of those facets and my actions and reactions would be the same. It is the goal of many men and women of my generation. It is incompatible with the beliefs of hard-line feminism (which, by its name, suggests that 'equality can only be achieved by focusing on women') but it really is the wave of the future. I had to tell a 'traditional' French-Canadian mother that I did not help her 95# daughter haul a 40# CRT TV up three floors "because she was a girl", but rather, "because I've got longer arms and a big fat belly to rest it on". She laughed, which is a natural reaction to having your paradigm shifted a bit. But it's my goal, it's a noble goal, and in 100 years, we will look back on it and see it wasn't just a 'noble goal' but the 'ONLY goal'. IMHO, of course.
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Feb 11, 2009 17:25:16 GMT -5
If society wants an end to sexism, then POSITIVE discrimination needs to be stopped as well. That is to say- women and men should be treated equally, which means in EVERY regard. This, this, this, and precisely this. I live my life in as fierce a gender-/race-/sexual orientation-blind way as possible. My goal is to make the maximum number of decisions possible where one could switch any of those facets and my actions and reactions would be the same. It is the goal of many men and women of my generation. It is incompatible with the beliefs of hard-line feminism (which, by its name, suggests that 'equality can only be achieved by focusing on women') but it really is the wave of the future. I had to tell a 'traditional' French-Canadian mother that I did not help her 95# daughter haul a 40# CRT TV up three floors "because she was a girl", but rather, "because I've got longer arms and a big fat belly to rest it on". She laughed, which is a natural reaction to having your paradigm shifted a bit. But it's my goal, it's a noble goal, and in 100 years, we will look back on it and see it wasn't just a 'noble goal' but the 'ONLY goal'. IMHO, of course. I love you. Can I have your babies? Seriously I wish more people thought that way. Discrimination can be positive as well as negative, and decisions should be made based on the situation and the qualities of the decision maker, not on the qualities of the person receiving the benefit/detriment.
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Post by Marvelously Mediocre on Feb 11, 2009 17:45:30 GMT -5
This, this, this, and precisely this. I live my life in as fierce a gender-/race-/sexual orientation-blind way as possible. My goal is to make the maximum number of decisions possible where one could switch any of those facets and my actions and reactions would be the same. It is the goal of many men and women of my generation. It is incompatible with the beliefs of hard-line feminism (which, by its name, suggests that 'equality can only be achieved by focusing on women') but it really is the wave of the future. I had to tell a 'traditional' French-Canadian mother that I did not help her 95# daughter haul a 40# CRT TV up three floors "because she was a girl", but rather, "because I've got longer arms and a big fat belly to rest it on". She laughed, which is a natural reaction to having your paradigm shifted a bit. But it's my goal, it's a noble goal, and in 100 years, we will look back on it and see it wasn't just a 'noble goal' but the 'ONLY goal'. IMHO, of course. I love you. Can I have your babies? unfortunately unless one of you has ovaries that is bioligically impossible sir.
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Feb 11, 2009 17:51:03 GMT -5
I love you. Can I have your babies? unfortunately unless one of you has ovaries that is bioligically impossible sir. ![](http://content9.flixster.com/question/37/11/43/3711439_std.jpg) It's every mans right to have babies if he wants to. Also...sorry about derailing the thread. Hopefully the next posters can get it back on topic. ![:-/](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/undecided.png)
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Post by Hassan bin Sober on Feb 12, 2009 1:31:31 GMT -5
If I were a fan there I would of started fighting the other fans (who were apparently total marks). I don't condone violence really but when people are ganging up on a man because they are too stupid to understand that he is an actor than I would defend him from said stupid people.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2009 2:31:42 GMT -5
This, this, this, and precisely this. I live my life in as fierce a gender-/race-/sexual orientation-blind way as possible. My goal is to make the maximum number of decisions possible where one could switch any of those facets and my actions and reactions would be the same. It is the goal of many men and women of my generation. It is incompatible with the beliefs of hard-line feminism (which, by its name, suggests that 'equality can only be achieved by focusing on women') but it really is the wave of the future. I had to tell a 'traditional' French-Canadian mother that I did not help her 95# daughter haul a 40# CRT TV up three floors "because she was a girl", but rather, "because I've got longer arms and a big fat belly to rest it on". She laughed, which is a natural reaction to having your paradigm shifted a bit. But it's my goal, it's a noble goal, and in 100 years, we will look back on it and see it wasn't just a 'noble goal' but the 'ONLY goal'. IMHO, of course. I love you. Can I have your babies? I genuinely desire to live my life in a gender-blind fashion. But not as much as that. One can't do much more than take Gandhi's advice -- be the change you want to see.
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