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Post by wasimperviz on Oct 7, 2009 10:30:15 GMT -5
In my opinion neither Taker or HBK should be in the ring anymore because it's obvious there bodies can't handle it anymore and when they do retire they should leave with the heads held up high rather then feeling upset over the situation. I feel both superstars are still doing quite well. I mean look at there WM25 match in my view the best match of all time. |
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Post by Avalanche Alvarez on Oct 7, 2009 10:42:17 GMT -5
I thought their match was placed first on the card because CM Punk had the heatz? See, now I don't know what to believe. Is Taker unsure of himself or was he pissed at Punk because Punk doesn't respect the dress code? I'm in a quandry. |
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Post by wasimperviz on Oct 7, 2009 10:51:34 GMT -5
I thought their match was placed first on the card because CM Punk had the heatz? See, now I don't know what to believe. Is Taker unsure of himself or was he pissed at Punk because Punk doesn't respect the dress code? I'm in a quandry. Maybe Undertaker feels he is not at the level he once was. But I reckon his match with Punk was one of the best of the night at hell in the cell. |
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Post by Hogasm on Oct 7, 2009 11:00:56 GMT -5
Honest question: When has anyone had anything bad to say about Takers performance? He's at the point now where he can slow down in matches and no one would notice. Probably still give him 4-5 star ratings too.
He could at least not do that top rope dive. Thats risky for everyone.
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Post by wasimperviz on Oct 7, 2009 11:11:24 GMT -5
Honest question: When has anyone had anything bad to say about Takers performance? He's at the point now where he can slow down in matches and no one would notice. Probably still give him 4-5 star ratings too. He could at least not do that top rope dive. Thats risky for everyone. I agree with what you are saying. Undertaker matches are still very good. I feel WWE should still keep him as the guy. I mean he can still have good matches at a high level early on the card. I mean his opening match with Punk had that main event feel. |
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Post by Legion on Oct 7, 2009 11:14:25 GMT -5
Selfish as it sounds, I'd love for him to get one more year out and retire at Survivor Series next year. That would mark exactly twenty years and be symetric and epic but not be the focus of a Wrestlemania (which should be a bit exciting happy event, not a sad one knowing that one of the hardest and most loyal guys ever is leaving).
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Post by wasimperviz on Oct 7, 2009 11:21:40 GMT -5
Selfish as it sounds, I'd love for him to get one more year out and retire at Survivor Series next year. That would mark exactly twenty years and be symetric and epic but not be the focus of a Wrestlemania (which should be a bit exciting happy event, not a sad one knowing that one of the hardest and most loyal guys ever is leaving). If he gets one more year that will be 20 years he has been in the WWE which I think is a major ending for his career. I would like to see that. |
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Post by don on Oct 7, 2009 11:43:53 GMT -5
To me, if this doesn't bother you even just a little bit, you have no right to call yourself a wrestling fan. This is so sad. Like him or not, the day that the Undertaker retires is the day that an old-school part of the wrestling business is gone forever. In my opinion, he is the link between the old generation and the new generation. He's been there through it all. I'll put it like this. In the last 20 years, the WWE have been through several different top guys, several different world champions, many good times and bad times, tragedies and scandals, different competitors have come and gone, many different eras and reinventions of the product (New Generation, Attitude, Ruthless Agression, etc.), but they've only ever had to have one Undertaker through all that, and he always delivered for them. When the Undertaker retires, a piece of my childhood, as well as the childhoods of those who grew up watching the Undertaker goes away forever. I liken it to if FOX abruptly decided to take "The Simpsons" off the air. To those who question the man's talent, I say not only should you look at matches like at Wrestlemania 25, but remember that the Undertaker gimmick was given a shelf life of about 6 months by both fan and people in the know alike (Hulk Hogan said such in his autobiography) and he used his talent to turn those 6 months into 20 years. To people who doubt his passion and respect in the wrestling business, I say look at all the shoot interviews all over the internet. No one says anything even remotely bad about the Undertaker. In a business where everyone thinks that everyone else is full of crap, the Undertaker is able to come out smelling like roses and with his head held high, with his honor and dignity intact. Thank you so much for all the hard work, Undertaker. As a fan, I didn't worry about who got the "rub" off of you or how you winning a world title here and there affected the younger guys. I was too busy being entertained.
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Post by AriadosMan on Oct 7, 2009 11:56:13 GMT -5
To me, if this doesn't bother you even just a little bit, you have no right to call yourself a wrestling fan. This is so sad. Like him or not, the day that the Undertaker retires is the day that an old-school part of the wrestling business is gone forever. In my opinion, he is the link between the old generation and the new generation. He's been there through it all. I'll put it like this. In the last 20 years, the WWE have been through several different top guys, several different world champions, many good times and bad times, tragedies and scandals, different competitors have come and gone, many different eras and reinventions of the product (New Generation, Attitude, Ruthless Agression, etc.), but they've only ever had to have one Undertaker through all that, and he always delivered for them. When the Undertaker retires, a piece of my childhood, as well as the childhoods of those who grew up watching the Undertaker goes away forever. I liken it to if FOX abruptly decided to take "The Simpsons" off the air. To those who question the man's talent, I say not only should you look at matches like at Wrestlemania 25, but remember that the Undertaker gimmick was given a shelf life of about 6 months by both fan and people in the know alike (Hulk Hogan said such in his autobiography) and he used his talent to turn those 6 months into 20 years. To people who doubt his passion and respect in the wrestling business, I say look at all the shoot interviews all over the internet. No one says anything even remotely bad about the Undertaker. In a business where everyone thinks that everyone else is full of crap, the Undertaker is able to come out smelling like roses and with his head held high, with his honor and dignity intact. Thank you so much for all the hard work, Undertaker. As a fan, I didn't worry about who got the "rub" off of you or how you winning a world title here and there affected the younger guys. I was too busy being entertained. I never doubted any of those things. But the guy is really getting too busted up to go very well anymore, and, if this report is true, he understands this. He won't be around much longer. Arguably, he shouldn't have even come back in the first place. |
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Post by Tapout on Oct 7, 2009 12:07:43 GMT -5
It's sad because he's been around so long and put in a lot of time and a lot of himself into the product all these years, and we get attached to guys who have entertained us for so long.
The problem is that the older and more banged-up he gets, the less he'll be able to go in the ring and put on the good matches that endeared him to our hearts. If he stays for another 3 years and puts on terrible matches, he'll be doing a disservice to everyone. To the fans, for not entertaining them at the same high level he used to. To the company he works for, for not delivering the same high-quality entertainment product for them that he used to. And to himself, because he will almost certainly be further jeopardizing his health for the rest of his life. If this backstagez reportz is true, and in this case I wouldn't be surprised if it was, then he feels the exact same way, and I don't blame him and give him all the credit in the world.
(As a counterpoint, some say Flair did just the opposite, wrestling well past his prime up to an age where he really shouldn't have been in the ring and delivered performances that were way, way worse than the outstanding matches of his youth. Some say this meant Flair cared more about being in front of the fans and the crowd pops than about putting on a quality entertainment product.)
Given how old Undertaker is and how long he's been around, the man has to already wake up every morning with pain. Probably very severe pain, especially after the surgery. Honestly, watching the PPV match, you almost have to wonder how much of the limping was selling.
As much as people might like to see him wrestling actively forever, his career has already pretty much wound down. It's for the best for everyone involved that he steps aside.
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Post by perpetualn00b on Oct 7, 2009 12:37:34 GMT -5
Wasn't this because of Jericho's contract, though? What? I'm talking about at Extreme Rules, with Orton. Oops. For some reason, I got that one week reign mixed up with his other one week reign between jericho's last year. My bad. |
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Post by don on Oct 7, 2009 13:17:11 GMT -5
To me, if this doesn't bother you even just a little bit, you have no right to call yourself a wrestling fan. This is so sad. Like him or not, the day that the Undertaker retires is the day that an old-school part of the wrestling business is gone forever. In my opinion, he is the link between the old generation and the new generation. He's been there through it all. I'll put it like this. In the last 20 years, the WWE have been through several different top guys, several different world champions, many good times and bad times, tragedies and scandals, different competitors have come and gone, many different eras and reinventions of the product (New Generation, Attitude, Ruthless Agression, etc.), but they've only ever had to have one Undertaker through all that, and he always delivered for them. When the Undertaker retires, a piece of my childhood, as well as the childhoods of those who grew up watching the Undertaker goes away forever. I liken it to if FOX abruptly decided to take "The Simpsons" off the air. To those who question the man's talent, I say not only should you look at matches like at Wrestlemania 25, but remember that the Undertaker gimmick was given a shelf life of about 6 months by both fan and people in the know alike (Hulk Hogan said such in his autobiography) and he used his talent to turn those 6 months into 20 years. To people who doubt his passion and respect in the wrestling business, I say look at all the shoot interviews all over the internet. No one says anything even remotely bad about the Undertaker. In a business where everyone thinks that everyone else is full of crap, the Undertaker is able to come out smelling like roses and with his head held high, with his honor and dignity intact. Thank you so much for all the hard work, Undertaker. As a fan, I didn't worry about who got the "rub" off of you or how you winning a world title here and there affected the younger guys. I was too busy being entertained. I never doubted any of those things. But the guy is really getting too busted up to go very well anymore, and, if this report is true, he understands this. He won't be around much longer. Arguably, he shouldn't have even come back in the first place. I didn't intend this at you directly. I apologize if that's how it came off. I do agree with you that he is beat up and it is sad to see. I am, however, pissed at so-called smarks who don't grasp what the Undertaker's retirement really means. It is truly an end of an era. |
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Post by Krimzon on Oct 7, 2009 13:24:47 GMT -5
Somehow, I can't help but to blame CM Punk for Taker's bad condition.
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Post by wasimperviz on Oct 7, 2009 17:56:48 GMT -5
I just wish Undertaker will keep going in the main events while he can.
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Post by TheDarkestKnight on Oct 7, 2009 19:33:51 GMT -5
Over the last couple of days I have found myself watching a ton of Taker's career. Watching him evolve in ring has been a joy to watch over the years. While other guys from the late 80's and early 90's stick to the tried and tested formula (apart from HBK), we have seen Taker adapt his offensive. I myself know that as soon as Undertaker retires, a part of me being a wrestling fan dies with his retirement. He was the first superstar I truly looked up to and found myself cheering. I like others have noticed his injuries but seeing him come back time and time again to give us a show is something I really admire.
It also takes a man to admit that maybe he is losing his skills in ring and that he would rather open up the PPV to avoid making a potential main event become a shambles. Considering the guy unlike HBK has never taken a large period of time off excluding injury time, I find it incredible that he has lasted so long. To me it's going to be more emotional watching Taker wrestle his last match than it was watching Flair.
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