HHH's "inside jokes"/personal jabs

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Oct 20, 2009 4:07:30 GMT -5 Ozman said:

I have a question. How come when someone like Paul Heyman makes "inside jokes" like "Matt Freakin' Hardy" or "Triple H didn't want to work on Tuesday's" during "ECW's One Night Stand" 2005, people overwhelming claimed that it was the "GREATEST THING EVER", but when Triple H makes a joke about "Great Khali being a bad wrestler" or implying that the majority of the audience has no idea who Eric Escobar is, he's called the "WORST PERSON EVER" and a "BIG MEANIE" for "burying" someone?
GOTTA LOVE THE HYPOCRISY OF THE IWC!!!

Because it was once, and the guys were right there able to respond. It was also tailored for the smarky crowd in what was intended to be a one off occasion. There's no hypocrisy involved.


Even so, I don't really mind when HHH does it either, at least in general. The only one that I thought was inappropriate was the one where he made fun of Masters. He said something about losing 50 lbs in 4 weeks, Masters makes a groaning face and walks away.

*points* "HAHA, HE'S TRYING TO FOLLOW WELLNESS, LETS MAKE FUN OF HIM"

[Mozenrath]

Oct 20, 2009 13:02:08 GMT -5 @bootytime said:

Oct 20, 2009 4:07:30 GMT -5 Ozman said:

I have a question. How come when someone like Paul Heyman makes "inside jokes" like "Matt Freakin' Hardy" or "Triple H didn't want to work on Tuesday's" during "ECW's One Night Stand" 2005, people overwhelming claimed that it was the "GREATEST THING EVER", but when Triple H makes a joke about "Great Khali being a bad wrestler" or implying that the majority of the audience has no idea who Eric Escobar is, he's called the "WORST PERSON EVER" and a "BIG MEANIE" for "burying" someone?
GOTTA LOVE THE HYPOCRISY OF THE IWC!!!

Because it was once, and the guys were right there able to respond. It was also tailored for the smarky crowd in what was intended to be a one off occasion. There's no hypocrisy involved.


Even so, I don't really mind when HHH does it either, at least in general. The only one that I thought was inappropriate was the one where he made fun of Masters. He said something about losing 50 lbs in 4 weeks, Masters makes a groaning face and walks away.

*points* "HAHA, HE'S TRYING TO FOLLOW WELLNESS, LETS MAKE FUN OF HIM"

Yeah, that ended up being a burial.

Otherwise, though, it doesn't bother me. He seems to do it mostly when in D-X, so I think it's to play up their "controversial!" gig, saying stuff that is outside of the typical kayfabe.

[@TenaciousBe]

I'm a little flabbergasted at this thread, so pardon me if I sound dickish.

But are you guys freakin serious? Firstly, you do know that this is WWE, where 99% of the promos are pre-written, word for word, by a crack writing staff, right? Hunter and Shawn may take a little leeway, but come on, this company has been on their backs for 15 years. They're allowed.

As for the "not allowed to say anything back" or "making your opponent look like rubbish" comments, isn't that the whole point of cutting a promo? To verbally assault your opponent into thinking they're worthless so you have the mental advantage going into the match? And don't give me the whole "burial is wrong" speech, that's exactly what promos are designed to do. If you can completely and totally bury your opponent in a promo, then you've (kayfabe) done your job correctly.

[Mozenrath]

Oct 20, 2009 13:47:49 GMT -5 @TenaciousBe said:

I'm a little flabbergasted at this thread, so pardon me if I sound dickish.

But are you guys freakin serious? Firstly, you do know that this is WWE, where 99% of the promos are pre-written, word for word, by a crack writing staff, right? Hunter and Shawn may take a little leeway, but come on, this company has been on their backs for 15 years. They're allowed.

As for the "not allowed to say anything back" or "making your opponent look like rubbish" comments, isn't that the whole point of cutting a promo? To verbally assault your opponent into thinking they're worthless so you have the mental advantage going into the match? And don't give me the whole "burial is wrong" speech, that's exactly what promos are designed to do. If you can completely and totally bury your opponent in a promo, then you've (kayfabe) done your job correctly.

You do raise a good point, I'll say that. Kayfabe, he'd be more than justified.

[nerdinitupagain]

I think mostly get upset that the only people doing them are HHH/HBK and there are no firebacks like you would expect in a real trash talking session.

[Jonathan Michaels]

I only have one thing to say.

"Kool-Aid"

[Mozenrath]

Oct 20, 2009 15:38:24 GMT -5 nerdinitupagain said:

I think mostly get upset that the only people doing them are HHH/HBK and there are no firebacks like you would expect in a real trash talking session.

To be fair, Legacy got some jabs in before Hell in a Cell, like telling Triple H to just retire to Titan Towers already.

[Urethra Franklin]

Oct 20, 2009 13:47:49 GMT -5 @TenaciousBe said:

I'm a little flabbergasted at this thread, so pardon me if I sound dickish.

But are you guys freakin serious? Firstly, you do know that this is WWE, where 99% of the promos are pre-written, word for word, by a crack writing staff, right? Hunter and Shawn may take a little leeway, but come on, this company has been on their backs for 15 years. They're allowed.

As for the "not allowed to say anything back" or "making your opponent look like rubbish" comments, isn't that the whole point of cutting a promo? To verbally assault your opponent into thinking they're worthless so you have the mental advantage going into the match? And don't give me the whole "burial is wrong" speech, that's exactly what promos are designed to do. If you can completely and totally bury your opponent in a promo, then you've (kayfabe) done your job correctly.

I disagree. The whole point of the promo is to put yourself over, first and foremost. There are different ways to go about that. Burying your opponent is probably the easiest way to do that, but it's not necessarily the best way, especially in the case of HHH yesterday.

[Throwback]

depends on what they are.

"she was stiff" = funny

"nobody knows those guys" = not cool

[MrBRulzOK]

Oct 20, 2009 13:47:49 GMT -5 @TenaciousBe said:

As for the "not allowed to say anything back" or "making your opponent look like rubbish" comments, isn't that the whole point of cutting a promo? To verbally assault your opponent into thinking they're worthless so you have the mental advantage going into the match? And don't give me the whole "burial is wrong" speech, that's exactly what promos are designed to do. If you can completely and totally bury your opponent in a promo, then you've (kayfabe) done your job correctly.

There's a flaw in your logic. If you call your opponent a loser and you end up winning, well who cares because you just beat a LOSER. Not only that but if you happen to lose that match... well you just LOST TO A LOSER.

Honestly, it's alright to throw in a little venom every now and then as long as people can fire right back with something of your own, such as this past week on Smackdown between Miz and Morrison. But if it's completely one sided, it just makes the other guy come off as a spineless coward whose too afraid to offer a retort. Granted if he values his job then he should be, but that's not the point.

[noleafclover1980]

I dunno why people are getting their panties in a knot over this. From a kayfabe standpoint, with Triple H being on Raw, and two of the Smackdown team members being brand new, one having only had ONE match so far, his character was more then justified in the "who are these guys?" comment. He was TRYING to bury the Smackdown team and make the Raw team sound superior. That was the entire point of the promo. Then Shawn got to play the role of the "smarty pants" and tell him who they were. Considering not everyone may catch Smackdown, it's entirely possible there was a healthy chunk of people who don't know McIntyre or Escobar. ESPECIALLY Escobar. He's done nothing of note yet... and to be honest, kinda sucks and is chunkier looking then Matt Hardy. He has to rely on Vickie Guerrero's heat.

The other part with no one getting to shoot back on Triple H:

1.How often does he feud with a smart ass that'd make cracks like that back at him

and

2.It's not exactly a secret that he's married to Steph... his entire months long feud with Orton revolved around that, and honestly what other smarky material can you really use on him?He's a dedicated professional, isn't what you'd really consider injury prone (if you take his entire career into account) and is a company man. What do you want? Everyone to rip on Triple H's marriage?

[nate5054]

Oct 20, 2009 0:30:17 GMT -5 Topher is Human said:

They're funny. Thus providing some of the entertainment in "Sports Entertainment"

Agreed. I like them as well.

[Vice honcho room temperature]

Ehhh they tend to not be funny other than the hey I know what he's talking about factor and it kinda takes me out of the show.

[mauled]

Sometimes they can be funny. But I bet a lot of wrestlers would and could easily jab right back but are terrified of the career suffering if they did.

The worst promo jab he did was his Booker T. Trips proclaiming his "kind" dont make good champions with Booker just having to stand there and take it.

[Feargus McReddit]

Oct 21, 2009 1:20:56 GMT -5 Vice honcho room temperature said:

Ehhh they tend to not be funny other than the hey I know what he's talking about factor and it kinda takes me out of the show.

Yeah, most of the time they just don't belong there.

Especially when they're catering to an audience that 99% won't know what they're talking about. Heck, it wasn't until this year that they actually flat out said HHH and Stephanie are a married couple with a kid.

[angryfan]

**SPOILER WARNING** (belated, cause I'm a sleep-deprived idiot)

The shots Monday look even worse now with the removal of the guys that Trips mocked from the match altogether. Now what do the casual fans think? DO they see these guys and say "I want to see this guy wrestle"? No, they see Trips mock someone as being beneath him, then the guy is taken out of the match altogether cementing the fact that not only are the people mocked below the "top guys" they're below the team that they lost to. So when this throw away match is over, the guys reactions will be dulled significantly, as they've been called and shown as losers.

Bad move, very bad move.

[Crazy Diamond]

Oct 20, 2009 13:47:49 GMT -5 @TenaciousBe said:

I'm a little flabbergasted at this thread, so pardon me if I sound dickish.

But are you guys freakin serious? Firstly, you do know that this is WWE, where 99% of the promos are pre-written, word for word, by a crack writing staff, right? Hunter and Shawn may take a little leeway, but come on, this company has been on their backs for 15 years. They're allowed.

As for the "not allowed to say anything back" or "making your opponent look like rubbish" comments, isn't that the whole point of cutting a promo? To verbally assault your opponent into thinking they're worthless so you have the mental advantage going into the match? And don't give me the whole "burial is wrong" speech, that's exactly what promos are designed to do. If you can completely and totally bury your opponent in a promo, then you've (kayfabe) done your job correctly.

Shawn Michaels and HHH didn't carry this company for 15 years. One almost drove it into bankruptcy and the other is arguably one of the reasons why they lost all the momentum they gained from 1998-2000. Most of the time when they insult their opponents in a promo they never get any sort of comeback against them in the ring or outside of it. It makes things predictable and boring to watch. People make it sound like HHH making shoot comments is a recent thing but he was doing it even to guys like Rock and Jericho back in 2000. The difference is, they wouldn't tolerate it like Cena, Orton, and others do. Most of the audience won't even know what he's talking about and the few who do are like "What does this have to do with the match?"

I mean, yeah Scott Hall and Kevin Nash did it too but at least they were funny enough to pull it off. You never felt sorry for them even saying it because they didn't come off like losers.

[GregP19]

Oct 21, 2009 10:11:41 GMT -5 angryfan said:

The shots Monday look even worse now with the removal of the guys that Trips mocked from the match altogether. Now what do the casual fans think? DO they see these guys and say "I want to see this guy wrestle"? No, they see Trips mock someone as being beneath him, then the guy is taken out of the match altogether cementing the fact that not only are the people mocked below the "top guys" they're below the team that they lost to. So when this throw away match is over, the guys reactions will be dulled significantly, as they've been called and shown as losers.

Bad move, very bad move.

In his defense, What the hell are Drew McIntyre and Eric Escobar doing in a major PPV match? The casual fan (who doesn't watch every week or just watches RAW) has no clue who these guys are. DX even aknowledging these guys is a good thing.

[Metalheadbanger Man]

Oct 21, 2009 10:11:41 GMT -5 angryfan said:

The shots Monday look even worse now with the removal of the guys that Trips mocked from the match altogether. Now what do the casual fans think? DO they see these guys and say "I want to see this guy wrestle"? No, they see Trips mock someone as being beneath him, then the guy is taken out of the match altogether cementing the fact that not only are the people mocked below the "top guys" they're below the team that they lost to. So when this throw away match is over, the guys reactions will be dulled significantly, as they've been called and shown as losers.

Bad move, very bad move.

Have you just spoiled SmackDown?

[angryfan]

Oct 21, 2009 10:32:46 GMT -5 GregP19 said:

Oct 21, 2009 10:11:41 GMT -5 angryfan said:

The shots Monday look even worse now with the removal of the guys that Trips mocked from the match altogether. Now what do the casual fans think? DO they see these guys and say "I want to see this guy wrestle"? No, they see Trips mock someone as being beneath him, then the guy is taken out of the match altogether cementing the fact that not only are the people mocked below the "top guys" they're below the team that they lost to. So when this throw away match is over, the guys reactions will be dulled significantly, as they've been called and shown as losers.

Bad move, very bad move.

In his defense, What the hell are Drew McIntyre and Eric Escobar doing in a major PPV match? The casual fan (who doesn't watch every week or just watches RAW) has no clue who these guys are. DX even aknowledging these guys is a good thing.

Is it hotshotting to put them in a PPV main event early? Of course, but it CAN work and they don't even have to go over.

McIntyre gets a tag, holds his own for a few while the announcers point out the fact that this young kid is actually hanging with some of the best in the world, and presto, the kid has credibility even if he takes the pinfall. The casual fan goes from "who the hell is this" to "I saw him, he went in with the RAW guys and he looked pretty good for being so new".

It worked for Cena, and McIntyre for one has already showed far more charisma than Cena did in his pre-rapper persona.