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Post by Lair of the Shadow MaDaBa on Oct 20, 2009 22:15:53 GMT -5
Now, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong here. *ahem* Nobody cares....OK? Are we all in agreement on that or what? Nobody cares about which brand is superior. Nobody cares about who's on what brand. Nobody cares about RAW because it's most regular segment is a great talent in Chavo Guerrero jobbing frequently to a midget. Nobody cares about SmackDown! because they're being booked so horribly. Nobody care about ECW because they're not being booked at all. The Draft is worthless because all it really changes these days is what graphic your name shows up on when you're introduced. And while I'm ranting, who cares who the champions are? Anyone? I'm not being controversial here when I say that they've become more-or-less worthless. All of them. Every last rat-bastard one. If Morrison lost the IC title tomorrow to Ziggler, would you really care? What about the ECW title? If Regal won it, would you celebrate? Pop a bottle of champagne? Dance in the streets? ... ...... ............ ........................ WHO'S BRIGHT IDEA WAS IT TO PUT CENA AND ORTON IN THERE FOR AN HOUR? ??That's all I'll say about that one. OK, I think I'm done. And guess what? Nobody still cares. |
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Post by bradtherad on Oct 20, 2009 22:18:48 GMT -5
Well you know what WWE doesn't care that nobody cares.
Why?
Because like always, this pay per view will bring in the $$$!
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Post by Lair of the Shadow MaDaBa on Oct 20, 2009 22:24:03 GMT -5
Well you know what WWE doesn't care that nobody cares.
Why?
Because like always, this pay per view will bring in the $$$!
And what a sad commentary THAT is. I have a question: who likes this stuff? Who watches all the horrible comedy, the nonexistent matches, sees the $50 price tag for these shows and thinks to themselves, "This is what I should be paying my money on. I am now making a conscious decision to pay for three hours of this product, which is attempting to pass itself off as entertainment."? |
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Post by Tom Selleck on Oct 20, 2009 22:28:09 GMT -5
What I don't get is why are they doing a match like this a month before Survivor Series? So we get a 7 on 7 match this month and then next month we get a couple 5 on 5 elimination matches. Seems like a bit of an overkill to me.
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Post by AriadosMan on Oct 20, 2009 22:29:32 GMT -5
Didn't they show a 40 minute Cena match on free TV this week? Why do they expect me to shell out money for an hour long Cena match?
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Post by Hulk With A Mustache on Oct 20, 2009 22:31:43 GMT -5
What I don't get is why are they doing a match like this a month before Survivor Series? So we get a 7 on 7 match this month and then next month we get a couple 5 on 5 elimination matches. Seems like a bit of an overkill to me. Well, they already did a RAW VS SmackDown! Survivor Series. Sure, it was 4 years ago, but Jim Cornette's rule on re-using ideas says it should be done every 7 years. I guess WWE couldn't wait but didn't want two Survivor Series close together with the same gimmick. |
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Post by rrm15 on Oct 20, 2009 22:31:55 GMT -5
What I don't get is why are they doing a match like this a month before Survivor Series? So we get a 7 on 7 match this month and then next month we get a couple 5 on 5 elimination matches. Seems like a bit of an overkill to me. Yeah I didn't get that. I was like "Ummm...isn't Survivor Series next month?" |
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Post by maniacmike on Oct 20, 2009 22:37:42 GMT -5
Who cares? Well probably no one over the age of 10.
I'm sure a lot of little kids think they care...hell there's probably two of them right now, one wearing a RAW shirt, and one wearing a SMACKDOWN shirt, getting ready to play wrestle for brand superiority. So yeah, it's for the kids...who buy into just about any ridiculous angle Vince dreams up in the PG-era.
WWE is like WWF when I was a kid except NOW it has a lot more hot, scantily-clad models (the Divas) on the show. A lot of innuendos that probably go over most of their heads depending on their upbringings. So basically to a kid, WWE is awesome. You have hot babes, shuchermouth, suck-it (suck what? your thumb?), bucka-up-teddy and get ready to go one on one with da undatakah, midgets, celebs, and grown-up men dressed like Charlie Brown. And the PPV is like the video game! Bragging Rights(Suicide), comes alive!
If you are an adult however, and you actually care which brand wins at Bragging Rights...then wow...just wow.
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Post by Magician under the moonlight on Oct 20, 2009 22:41:27 GMT -5
Who cares? Well probably no one over the age of 10. I'm sure a lot of little kids think they care...hell there's probably two of them right now, one wearing a RAW shirt, and one wearing a SMACKDOWN shirt, getting ready to play wrestle for brand superiority. So yeah, it's for the kids...who buy into just about any ridiculous angle Vince dreams up in the PG-era. WWE is like WWF when I was a kid except NOW it has a lot more hot, scantily-clad models (the Divas) on the show. A lot of innuendos that probably go over most of their heads depending on their upbringings. So basically to a kid, WWE is awesome. You have hot babes, shuchermouth, suck-it (suck what? your thumb?), bucka-up-teddy and get ready to go one on one with da undatakah, midgets, celebs, and grown-up men dressed like Charlie Brown. And the PPV is like the video game! Bragging Rights(Suicide), comes alive! If you are an adult however, and you actually care which brand wins at Bragging Rights...then wow...just wow. I know it's for kids but don't forget who brings the money. If they gave something for adults to care about, they may get more money. |
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Post by Lair of the Shadow MaDaBa on Oct 20, 2009 22:43:54 GMT -5
When I was a kid and I wanted a PPV that wasn't really that important, you know what my mother did? She said "no, you can't have that because it's too expensive". And when I said "but I want it!", she'd say, "I'll tell you what--I'll get you a video game for your birthday".
Then, when my birthday rolled around, you know what I got? Clothes.
The moral of the story--if you're a parent and you don't want to rot your kids' brain, LIE. Lie your fool head off like a good parent does.
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Post by Cry Me a Wiggle on Oct 20, 2009 22:45:03 GMT -5
That's why I feel like the WWF gave up on their WCW purchase way too soon.
Had they gone with the original plan and have the brand split be WWF/WCW (with ECW added later on) and actually treated them like separate promotions with no crossover, then something like this would be a big deal. Hell, it would be a big deal had they just kept the Raw/Smackdown rosters intact after the split and ditched the semi-annual draft. But as it stands, there's no such thing as a "Raw" or "Smackdown" star, despite what WWE wants us to believe.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2009 22:45:03 GMT -5
Who cares? Well probably no one over the age of 10. I'm sure a lot of little kids think they care...hell there's probably two of them right now, one wearing a RAW shirt, and one wearing a SMACKDOWN shirt, getting ready to play wrestle for brand superiority. So yeah, it's for the kids...who buy into just about any ridiculous angle Vince dreams up in the PG-era. WWE is like WWF when I was a kid except NOW it has a lot more hot, scantily-clad models (the Divas) on the show. A lot of innuendos that probably go over most of their heads depending on their upbringings. So basically to a kid, WWE is awesome. You have hot babes, shuchermouth, suck-it (suck what? your thumb?), bucka-up-teddy and get ready to go one on one with da undatakah, midgets, celebs, and grown-up men dressed like Charlie Brown. And the PPV is like the video game! Bragging Rights(Suicide), comes alive! If you are an adult however, and you actually care which brand wins at Bragging Rights...then wow...just wow. I know it's for kids but don't forget who brings the money. If they gave something for adults to care about, they may get more money. This. They really need to lower the PPV prices to 20-30 bucks then. No kid under 13 has 50 bucks every month and no parent will be willing to shill out 50 bucks every month for the kid. |
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Post by maniacmike on Oct 20, 2009 22:46:56 GMT -5
If the 18-24 demo truly brings more money than the parents of the 6-12 demo, then we have some arrested development! Yow-zah!
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Post by laughytaffy on Oct 20, 2009 22:47:20 GMT -5
We all know RAW is going to win anyway.
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Post by H-Fist on Oct 20, 2009 23:13:54 GMT -5
MaDaBa, completely fair points. Every last one of them. I blame it on the breakdown of society. I blame that on MBAs, human resource departments, the internet, smart technology, and bears.*
The big, huge, elephant-in-the-room problem is that WWE's concept banks on Brand Loyalty being more important than the decades-old Face/Heel Dynamics around which all wrestling conflict revolves. So I, as a Smackdown! viewer, ought to be "cheering for" McIntyre, Escobar, Dolph, and Jericho on Sunday instead of Triple H and Shawn f***ing Michaels.
Really, WWE?
Or is their goal to make Raw seem better by making the entire crowd cheer for RAW (actually, Shawn and Hunter) over Smackdown! (actually Jericho et al)?
What can they gain from EITHER of those scenarios? Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Bupkus.
I want desperately to care who the champions are in the same way that I care about the top athletes in a sport and the protagonists of hero/epic literature. I've made my Joseph Campbell/hero's quest argument before, so I won't repeat it here. But I agree. The method to WWE's booking idiocy is just so incredibly uncreative and ineffective. Raw has its Three Stooges (Cena is Curly, Hunter is Larry, Orton is Moe) and Smackdown has seen its star-creation-machine go on the fritz with the reintroduction of Batista and return of Taker. Arrgh!!!!!
* - bears may or may not be code for issues not welcome on the forum; bears are, in either case, godless killing machines who will take your picnic basket, nap in your walk-in refrigerator, and kill your family without one shred of remorse.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Oct 20, 2009 23:34:08 GMT -5
I'll quote something I heard about professional sports players and how they move around alot.
"Team loyalty runs deep but is easily transferable."
Same thing here, in the kayfabe world they are loyal to the brand that employs them. Also who cares about that in the audience... don't know but why can't we just lose ourselves in the storyline instead of nitpicking. Its not like this is a Hornswaggle storyline.
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Post by Hanzo on Oct 20, 2009 23:36:57 GMT -5
What about the ECW title? If Regal won it, would you celebrate? Pop a bottle of champagne? Dance in the streets?  Regal's awesome! That's one thing I love about ECW. I like just about every wrestler on the show. Christian is the freakin' man with those awesome matches he's churning out every week. I've always liked Regal and Goldust. I like Zack Ryder's gimmick and I've come to notice in the past month that he ain't too shabby in the ring either. Yoshi Tatsu has a bright future ahead of him (well on ECW anyway) and the fans are digging him too. Dreamer's synonomus (sp?) with the ECW name and he's the vet who can teach young guys the ropes, so he'll alwyas have a place in the company. Shelton, Hurricane, Burchill, and Sheamus are all in feuds, so they aren't just floundering around taking up space. Everybody has something to do. Anybody on that show can challenge Christian for the title right now and I would buy him as a legitimate contender. Everybody on ECW matters. And because everybody matters that makes the show fun to watch. And since the show is fun to watch that gives me a reason to care. |
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Post by bob on Oct 20, 2009 23:40:46 GMT -5
I wuold've been a lot more interested in the 7 on 7 match, which is the big attraction if you know 4 of smackdowns biggest stars weren't in a title match scheduled for that night since the SD is Jericho, 2 rookies, and 4 jobbers
but let's take both world title matches off the PPV here are the teams
RAW: John Cena, Randy Orton, Big Show, Shawn Michaels, Triple H, Jack Swagger, and Cody Rhodes
SD: Undertaker, CM Punk, Rey Mysterio, Chris Jericho, Batista, Dolph Ziggler, and Drew McIntyre
that makes the teams a lot evener and makes for a much more intersting match
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Oct 20, 2009 23:43:26 GMT -5
I wuold've been a lot more interested in the 7 on 7 match, which is the big attraction if you know 4 of smackdowns biggest stars weren't in a title match scheduled for that night since the SD is Jericho, 2 rookies, and 4 jobbers but let's take both world title matches off the PPV here are the teams RAW: John Cena, Randy Orton, Big Show, Shawn Michaels, Triple H, Jack Swagger, and Cody Rhodes SD: Undertaker, CM Punk, Rey Mysterio, Chris Jericho, Batista, Dolph Ziggler, and Drew McIntyre that makes the teams a lot evener and makes for a much more intersting match Yeah but then you kill the rest of the card. |
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Post by EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese on Oct 20, 2009 23:43:54 GMT -5
I'll use an example from one of Jed Shaeffer's ReWriting The Book columns. "Brand rivalries mean nothing when the brands are identical; to go back to candy analogies, imagine if the Mars company ran commercials for Snickers that attacked Milky Way's lack of peanuts, saying Snickers were a more filling candy bar. The stupidity there is that they're both made by Mars. So, having Smackdown and Raw wrestlers be "proud" of their brands when their brands mean nothing more then different-colored ropes is ludicrous. It's even dumber when you see wrestlers jump brands at will." Why should we have to choose between one brand or another when they are almost exactly the same? Make them look completely different in overall appearance and booking and then people should care. |
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