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Post by Kendo on Oct 25, 2009 2:19:34 GMT -5
screw him,
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Post by MichaelMartini on Oct 25, 2009 3:12:58 GMT -5
When it comes down to it, "creative" never has anything for anybody. They suck. Any of us could come up with a dozen stoylines for any character on Raw, any day of the week. They keep future endeavoring workers when they should've fired all of creative about 4 years ago. When is Vince going to realize they are the only reason Raw has been sucking for as long as it has?
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Post by Ligerbusa on Oct 25, 2009 8:35:10 GMT -5
When it comes down to it, "creative" never has anything for anybody. They suck. Any of us could come up with a dozen stoylines for any character on Raw, any day of the week. They keep future endeavoring workers when they should've fired all of creative about 4 years ago. When is Vince going to realize they are the only reason Raw has been sucking for as long as it has? Yes, we could come up with a million lame storylines. Because the future of this business depends on Carlito. I say just turn him upside down and sweep the floors. Or bring Doink back and have Sideshow Carly. So what exactly is your argument here? Carlito isn't currently a main event talent so WWE should just say screw it and not give him anything to do? Perhaps he could be built into a main event level talent with the right booking and angles behind him. When John Cena or Deacon Batista were first around you could have said this same sentence. Hell, when Batista was just Evolutions muscle, before his big push, most people didn't like him nor see any huge future main event run or compelling angles or character for him. Thinking like that is just backwards as hell. Main Eventers dont just instantly happen. Its called character development, growth, and establishing a guy as someone to take notice of. You build them from the ground up. You nuture them and watch them grow. You dont just add water and get an instant Batista or CM Punk. Look at me, I'm ghost writing. Giving Carlito "something to do" isn't going to make the product better. |
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Post by don on Oct 25, 2009 8:46:08 GMT -5
When it comes down to it, "creative" never has anything for anybody. They suck. Any of us could come up with a dozen stoylines for any character on Raw, any day of the week. They keep future endeavoring workers when they should've fired all of creative about 4 years ago. When is Vince going to realize they are the only reason Raw has been sucking for as long as it has? Yes, we could come up with a million lame storylines. So what exactly is your argument here? Carlito isn't currently a main event talent so WWE should just say screw it and not give him anything to do? Perhaps he could be built into a main event level talent with the right booking and angles behind him. When John Cena or Deacon Batista were first around you could have said this same sentence. Hell, when Batista was just Evolutions muscle, before his big push, most people didn't like him nor see any huge future main event run or compelling angles or character for him. Thinking like that is just backwards as hell. Main Eventers dont just instantly happen. Its called character development, growth, and establishing a guy as someone to take notice of. You build them from the ground up. You nuture them and watch them grow. You dont just add water and get an instant Batista or CM Punk. Look at me, I'm ghost writing. Giving Carlito "something to do" isn't going to make the product better.[/quote] Several years ago, I would have said the same things about "The Ringmaster," Rocky Maivia, and "Mean" Mark Callous. Talk about worthless. Whatever happened to those guys anyway? |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Oct 25, 2009 8:47:32 GMT -5
When it comes down to it, "creative" never has anything for anybody. They suck. Any of us could come up with a dozen stoylines for any character on Raw, any day of the week. They keep future endeavoring workers when they should've fired all of creative about 4 years ago. When is Vince going to realize they are the only reason Raw has been sucking for as long as it has? Yes, we could come up with a million lame storylines. So what exactly is your argument here? Carlito isn't currently a main event talent so WWE should just say screw it and not give him anything to do? Perhaps he could be built into a main event level talent with the right booking and angles behind him. When John Cena or Deacon Batista were first around you could have said this same sentence. Hell, when Batista was just Evolutions muscle, before his big push, most people didn't like him nor see any huge future main event run or compelling angles or character for him. Thinking like that is just backwards as hell. Main Eventers dont just instantly happen. Its called character development, growth, and establishing a guy as someone to take notice of. You build them from the ground up. You nuture them and watch them grow. You dont just add water and get an instant Batista or CM Punk. Look at me, I'm ghost writing. Giving Carlito "something to do" isn't going to make the product better. Yeah, Im glad they never gave those Rocky Maivia, Ringmaster, and Hunter Hearst Helmsley guys anything to do. Who would have ever taken any of those guys seriously as main eventers? How would some guy pretending to be a rich snob doing curtsies in the ring ever improve the product or draw any money? |
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Post by Dub H on Oct 25, 2009 9:17:25 GMT -5
Yes, we could come up with a million lame storylines. Look at me, I'm ghost writing. Giving Carlito "something to do" isn't going to make the product better. Yeah, Im glad they never gave those Rocky Maivia, Ringmaster, and Hunter Hearst Helmsley guys anything to do. Who would have ever taken any of those guys seriously as main eventers? How would some guy pretending to be a rich snob doing curtsies in the ring ever improve the product or draw any money? Solid arguments and examples |
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Post by AriadosMan on Oct 25, 2009 10:10:01 GMT -5
Let's put it a different way-how has NOT coming up with a storyline for Carlito made the product better? He's still (theoretically) on RAW, he hasn't been released (and is still therefore collecting paychecks), and the RAW roster is getting extremely thin. Why not do something with a wrestler who you've invested years in?
WWE's inability to utilize its resources is one of its biggest problems.
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Post by Capt. Internet Darling on Oct 25, 2009 10:19:52 GMT -5
They have nothing for him? What in the flying what?
Can't they just make him Teddy Long's enforcer? Bring in a Puerto Rican from develomental and pair them together?
Forget that last bit actually. Look at Primo. And then Excobar. Actually Puerto Rico's recent WWE form is shocking.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Oct 25, 2009 11:39:22 GMT -5
When it comes down to it, "creative" never has anything for anybody. They suck. Any of us could come up with a dozen stoylines for any character on Raw, any day of the week. They keep future endeavoring workers when they should've fired all of creative about 4 years ago. When is Vince going to realize they are the only reason Raw has been sucking for as long as it has? Yes, we could come up with a million lame storylines. So what exactly is your argument here? Carlito isn't currently a main event talent so WWE should just say screw it and not give him anything to do? Perhaps he could be built into a main event level talent with the right booking and angles behind him. When John Cena or Deacon Batista were first around you could have said this same sentence. Hell, when Batista was just Evolutions muscle, before his big push, most people didn't like him nor see any huge future main event run or compelling angles or character for him. Thinking like that is just backwards as hell. Main Eventers dont just instantly happen. Its called character development, growth, and establishing a guy as someone to take notice of. You build them from the ground up. You nuture them and watch them grow. You dont just add water and get an instant Batista or CM Punk. Look at me, I'm ghost writing. Giving Carlito "something to do" isn't going to make the product better. A lame storyline is better than no storyline. I'll take a Katie Vick saga over a guy fights guy and wins saga. |
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Post by Ligerbusa on Oct 25, 2009 16:48:25 GMT -5
Yes, we could come up with a million lame storylines. Look at me, I'm ghost writing. Giving Carlito "something to do" isn't going to make the product better. Yeah, Im glad they never gave those Rocky Maivia, Ringmaster, and Hunter Hearst Helmsley guys anything to do. Who would have ever taken any of those guys seriously as main eventers? How would some guy pretending to be a rich snob doing curtsies in the ring ever improve the product or draw any money? Were those guys lazying it up for five years too? People actually believing that CARLITO has potential to be a major player is hilarious. There's a difference between The Rock and Carlito. Shocking, I know. |
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Post by AriadosMan on Oct 25, 2009 16:55:22 GMT -5
And what have they done to make Carlito new and different that could possibly get him over as a maineventer? He's still using that crappy midi music that he's used ever since he arrived! Can you imagine Rock becoming popular if he had to stick to the Rocky Maivia gimmick and entrance, too?
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Post by hbk4ever09 on Oct 25, 2009 16:59:37 GMT -5
Stick him in the dark hole on RAW that is Hornswoggle, Borune, Primo, and Masters. Man that is a sad bunch of fail.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Oct 25, 2009 17:18:56 GMT -5
Yeah, Im glad they never gave those Rocky Maivia, Ringmaster, and Hunter Hearst Helmsley guys anything to do. Who would have ever taken any of those guys seriously as main eventers? How would some guy pretending to be a rich snob doing curtsies in the ring ever improve the product or draw any money? Were those guys lazying it up for five years too? People actually believing that CARLITO has potential to be a major player is hilarious. There's a difference between The Rock and Carlito. Shocking, I know. It isn't 2006 anymore. Its been quite awhile since Carlito was being lazy in the ring. I am sure you watched the tag matches he had with his brother, so you would very obviously know that. Then again, maybe you just really dislike Carlito and are thus clinging to an argument that ceased being relevant long ago. If Carlito is such a lazy worker with no future perhaps WWE should have never begged him to sign a new contract. A lot of people have potential to be main players. MVP sucked when he debuted but now hes great. There is another example. It took him awhile to get there didn't it...and he isn't even there yet because WWE Creative barely ever give him anything to do or any actual angles. Kinda like the guy we are talking about in this thread! I am not comparing Carlito and the Rock. I am comparing their situations, as well as the situations of other guys who looked like they would never get anywhere for years and suddenly struck upon a hot character and angle. Austin did it, Kane did it, Jeff Hardy, HBK, Kevin Nash as well. Its quite certainly possible with Carlito. You cant make gold out of s***, though...and that is what Carlito has been given lately. I guess since you personally dislike him though, it doesn't matter much to you. Fair play, but dont pretend like giving a midcarder a storyline to work with and some TV time isn't a good idea. Its something sorely lacking in WWE today and the reason they have a hard time making new stars: they dont give the fans any reasons to care or particularly think a guy is special. Just have the announcers sell the fact that he is improving in the ring, a great athlete, or won some wrestling matches at some college somewhere. |
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Oct 25, 2009 17:38:24 GMT -5
It's the RAW writers that are the problem. You have the son of the legendary Puerto Rican superstar Carlos Colon. You have a huge latino fanbase that watches Smackdown. WHY IS CARLITO ON RAW? Carlito has had more success, direction and motivation while on Smackdown and was alot more entertaining. Face it, no one is breaking through the main event glass ceiling on RAW as long as the Triple H buddy system exists. No one. Not Carlito, Kofi, Swagger, MVP, Mark Henry, Evan Bourne or the Miz. Cody Rhodes and Teddy D are gonna leapfrog them all.
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Post by Ligerbusa on Oct 25, 2009 17:50:04 GMT -5
And what have they done to make Carlito new and different that could possibly get him over as a maineventer? He's still using that crappy midi music that he's used ever since he arrived! Can you imagine Rock becoming popular if he had to stick to the Rocky Maivia gimmick and entrance, too? And what has he done to show he belongs as a main eventer? Were those guys lazying it up for five years too? People actually believing that CARLITO has potential to be a major player is hilarious. There's a difference between The Rock and Carlito. Shocking, I know. It isn't 2006 anymore. Its been quite awhile since Carlito was being lazy in the ring. I am sure you watched the tag matches he had with his brother, so you would very obviously know that. It's not 2006 and he's still not very good. What a shame. And maybe you just really really love Carlito. Except MVP wasn't that bad when he started out and even then he showed improvement. A better idea then a storyline is a release. |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Oct 25, 2009 18:01:20 GMT -5
Compelling arguments.
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Post by Ligerbusa on Oct 25, 2009 18:12:29 GMT -5
What can I say when you type a long boring post that boils down to "You don't like Carlito"?
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Post by #Classic Hi-Definition X on Oct 25, 2009 18:23:09 GMT -5
Both of youse simmah down.
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Post by Ligerbusa on Oct 25, 2009 18:24:39 GMT -5
I blame creative!
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Post by manstis1804 on Oct 26, 2009 0:01:51 GMT -5
Yeah, Im glad they never gave those Rocky Maivia, Ringmaster, and Hunter Hearst Helmsley guys anything to do. Who would have ever taken any of those guys seriously as main eventers? How would some guy pretending to be a rich snob doing curtsies in the ring ever improve the product or draw any money? Were those guys lazying it up for five years too? People actually believing that CARLITO has potential to be a major player is hilarious. There's a difference between The Rock and Carlito. Shocking, I know. Right. I don't get these people that think Carlito, Shelton, Charlie Hass should be headliners and creative blew it with them. All of them have skills, but Carlito is lackadasical in the ring (and I thought that the first time I saw him before reading any kind of internet comments), Shelton has little charisma and Hass is the black hole of charisma. Just because they've had some 4 star matches or some bullshit doesn't mean they can be consistent main eventers. |
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