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Post by Youngie on Oct 3, 2009 7:06:31 GMT -5
Just watched this match again for the first time in nearly 20 years. All is going OK and Hogan is knocked to the outside and has he knee "broken". He can't continue [he tells the ref to "pop it into place"] but somehow manages to get back in the ring and the Warrior then gives him a few kicks to the knee. Hogan is selling the knee like mad but all of a sudden the knee just heals. The match continues and Gorrila and Ventura are trying to excuse his behavior by saying the knee "popped itself back into place". Hogan's knee gives him no more bother during the rest of the match. A miracle cure!
I thought Hogan was always a very good seller but I just can't forgive this stuff.
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Post by Dynamite Kid on Oct 3, 2009 8:17:45 GMT -5
You have a point, but that aside I thought this match was pretty great. Psychology was through the roof even if it wasn't technical greatness.
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Post by El Dandy on Oct 3, 2009 12:00:41 GMT -5
I think it was all a build up to Hogan eventually missing the leg drop and losing the match.
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Post by Nacho STAYS Hyped on Oct 3, 2009 17:11:15 GMT -5
That match was at least 4 stars, and with the two wrestlers in the match, that makes it all the more incredible.
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Post by quantum on Oct 3, 2009 17:29:13 GMT -5
It was a great match and really showed Hogan and Warrior don;t have to be 'carried' to have a great match. It was one of the best of both of their careers. I;ts little inconsistences like this however I don;t really think about (I don;t think a lot of us do) until someone points it out to me.
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Post by wasimperviz on Oct 3, 2009 18:20:18 GMT -5
It was a great match and really showed Hogan and Warrior don;t have to be 'carried' to have a great match. It was one of the best of both of their careers. I;ts little inconsistences like this however I don;t really think about (I don;t think a lot of us do) until someone points it out to me. I agree it was a awesome match and just to see these two have a match like this was outstanding. It stole the show at WM6 and gave Canada one of the best history making matches they ever saw. I only wish Hulk Hogan would had won that night. |
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Post by Ultimo Chocula on Oct 3, 2009 19:49:06 GMT -5
Between Hogan's trick knee and him almost kicking out on the deciding fall I have a conspiracy theory that Hogan didn't want to job to Warrior that night. I can't prove it, it's just a gut feeling.
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Post by El Dandy on Oct 3, 2009 20:42:41 GMT -5
Sgt. Slaughter did the same at WrestleMania 7 when he kicked out at the 3-count after being pinned by Hogan. I don't think it is a conspiracy, more like them still trying to look strong in a losing effort.
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Post by HMARK Center on Oct 3, 2009 23:34:53 GMT -5
It was a great match and really showed Hogan and Warrior don;t have to be 'carried' to have a great match. It was one of the best of both of their careers. I;ts little inconsistences like this however I don;t really think about (I don;t think a lot of us do) until someone points it out to me. I hate to say it, but stuff like that does get on my nerves. It's one thing if it's Hogan "hulking up", because then I wouldn't expect him to feel any pain until his adrenaline boost wore off (same with Warrior shaking the ropes, or Sting doing the gorilla chest pound as he pumped himself up, etc.), but when a guy has a body part worked over pretty strongly, sells it while it's being worked over, and then stops selling it as soon as the offense stops, then I can kind of annoyed. It sucks to admit, since he's one of my current favorites, but Chris Daniels was guilty of this in his title match against Samoa Joe recently, and it became a slight distraction for me. |
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Post by triplealbert on Oct 4, 2009 0:29:19 GMT -5
It was a great match and really showed Hogan and Warrior don;t have to be 'carried' to have a great match. It was one of the best of both of their careers. I;ts little inconsistences like this however I don;t really think about (I don;t think a lot of us do) until someone points it out to me. They were "carried" by Pat Patterson. |
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Post by johnnyk9 on Oct 4, 2009 4:47:37 GMT -5
Hogan and The Warrior did what they were told, didn't do a spots fest like most guys and had the crowd on their feet the whole time
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Post by Schemer on Oct 4, 2009 4:50:03 GMT -5
Between Hogan's trick knee and him almost kicking out on the deciding fall I have a conspiracy theory that Hogan didn't want to job to Warrior that night. I can't prove it, it's just a gut feeling. Hogan has actually made it quite clear that he didn't think the Warrior was the right person to "pass the torch" to, but he went along with it, since the build had been so good. |
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Post by Youngie on Oct 4, 2009 6:54:41 GMT -5
but when a guy has a body part worked over pretty strongly, sells it while it's being worked over, and then stops selling it as soon as the offense stops, then I can kind of annoyed. Me too. Especially when it's the biggest superstar ever wrestling another superstar in the Main Event at one of the biggest WrestleManias ever in front of a huge crowd. |
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Post by Youngie on Oct 4, 2009 6:55:22 GMT -5
Between Hogan's trick knee and him almost kicking out on the deciding fall I have a conspiracy theory that Hogan didn't want to job to Warrior that night. I can't prove it, it's just a gut feeling. A conspiracy theory. Now I'm intrigued. |
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Post by baerrtt on Oct 4, 2009 8:58:26 GMT -5
Besides Hogan was due to start filming SUBURBAN COMMANDO and had to drop the title one way or another. When one considers that Hogan admitted to trying to steal Hellwig's thunder after the match the fact that he cleanly put him over is tainted.
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Post by Triple Kelly on Oct 4, 2009 9:25:08 GMT -5
Between Hogan's trick knee and him almost kicking out on the deciding fall I have a conspiracy theory that Hogan didn't want to job to Warrior that night. I can't prove it, it's just a gut feeling. Hogan has actually made it quite clear that he didn't think the Warrior was the right person to "pass the torch" to, but he went along with it, since the build had been so good. Just for the record and my own curiosity, did Hulk EVER say or explain who the "right" person to pass the torch to was? Or does that person even exist to him? |
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Post by glorydays on Oct 4, 2009 10:03:49 GMT -5
I always thought Hogan's "knee injury" was a way to give both guys a breather (non-kayfabe) since it took at least a several minutes to play out and the match was going to go pretty long. I don't know exactly what the reasoning was, but like someone mentioned already, I didn't really pay attention to it until people on this board pointed it out.
As far as Hogan selling it, being so early in the match, it would have been hard for him to sell it for the rest of the match. If it was later in the match, then fine, but even then he would have had to "Hulk up" eventually so either way the knee was not going to be a main selling point for the majority of the match.
As far as Hogan kicking out after the 3, um, that was the whole point. Neither Warrior or Hogan were going to "play dead" if they got pinned unless it involved some sort of weapon. Both guys were "superheros" in the fans eyes so Warrior being able to beat Hogan (as Jesse put it) just miniscule seconds before Hogan could kick out was the entire point. This is just nitpicking for no reason, IMO. What Slaughter did to Hogan at WrestleMania 7 was a lot worse (and more noticeable) but again, who cares? It didn't ruin the ending at all.
As someone else here mentioned, it was a great match from two guys who get way too much flack (Warrior in particular). Hot crowd to boot. I lived about 40 minutes away from Skydome at the time and the buzz around the city was amazing. Will never forget it.
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Post by glorydays on Oct 4, 2009 10:07:16 GMT -5
Hogan has actually made it quite clear that he didn't think the Warrior was the right person to "pass the torch" to, but he went along with it, since the build had been so good. Just for the record and my own curiosity, did Hulk EVER say or explain who the "right" person to pass the torch to was? Or does that person even exist to him? I think Hogan knew Warrior was the right guy, or at least the only guy on the roster at the time. Maybe he felt Warrior wasn't going to pan out the way Vince envisioned, but there was no one else that could have worked a face vs. face match with Hogan at that time. Maybe Savage in 1989, but Warrior was more over with the crowd. |
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Post by Mac on Oct 4, 2009 10:17:10 GMT -5
Hogan should have dropped the title to Koko B Ware.
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Post by wasimperviz on Oct 4, 2009 16:30:05 GMT -5
Between Hogan's trick knee and him almost kicking out on the deciding fall I have a conspiracy theory that Hogan didn't want to job to Warrior that night. I can't prove it, it's just a gut feeling. Hogan has actually made it quite clear that he didn't think the Warrior was the right person to "pass the torch" to, but he went along with it, since the build had been so good. Hoagn was correct and I reckon he sould had really gained that win in the match. I mean to see Hogan win at WM6 would had been what us Hogan fans and that fans in the arena that day would had wanted. |
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