Phosphor Glow
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Post by Phosphor Glow on Dec 6, 2009 4:59:44 GMT -5
I have.
But once again, who cares if they're popular or in the mainstream? Why does that matter so much?
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Viva
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Post by Viva on Dec 6, 2009 5:04:24 GMT -5
I have. But once again, who cares if they're popular or in the mainstream? Why does that matter so much? It just does. I mean, so many of the bands I loved lost a lot of their appeal when they got big. I understood it, and accepted it, but it effects both their musical direction and my opinion of them as a band (although the former a lot less now that I'm older.) All too often a band who has tasted mainstream success pidgeonholes themselves into a certain sound in search of that next hit, and I think that's why a lot of people care. Not only that but the irrational notion of selling out. (Realistically, if you're making music for a living, you're going to take the most money to do so. The argument ends there.) You can still make good music and sell out, but a lot of bands lose the formula that made them popular in the first place and follows the advice of dumb label execs. They're essentially turned into the next (insert popular artist here) and shilled to the american public as a fresh alternative.
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Post by Sarsaparilla on Dec 6, 2009 5:10:23 GMT -5
And in addition to what Viva Los said, the fact that nobody has heard of Metal Band #2787 matters because it shows that nobody appreciates doing the same thing over yet again.
Seriously, go to some local club and find a band that does better than cover bands. All my older relatives and friends from over the world say that that sort of scene is dead. I think it's because of certain styles of music that are the only ones played on radio are also the most downloaded, and it weighs down any creativity or goodness. Yuck.
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Post by Rorschach on Dec 6, 2009 5:21:12 GMT -5
Just thought I'd pop in here and ask this question, since there are a lot of musically knowledgable folks in here: Just heard on the news that Beyonce is up for 10 (TEN?!?) Grammys this year.
My question: What the f*** has Beyonce done to warrant that kind of love this year? If anything, I figured it would be Rihanna, Taylor Swift, and Adam Lambert or something.
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Viva
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Post by Viva on Dec 6, 2009 5:24:37 GMT -5
The Grammy's are little more than a popularity award now. Taylor Swift has 6 this year.
Beyonce, whether people like her or not, has had 7 of her songs from "I Am... Sasha Fierce" hit the top 40 (Six technically, one hit #41) on the hot 100. That's friggin' ridiculous.
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Post by Sarsaparilla on Dec 6, 2009 5:51:22 GMT -5
You know, Mariah Carey has more number 1 hits than The Beatles. Seriously.
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Post by Dee. on Dec 6, 2009 6:16:38 GMT -5
I have. But once again, who cares if they're popular or in the mainstream? Why does that matter so much? This is something that is really puzzling. It really defeats the purpose of being a fan of the band. Hitting the charts would allow them to tour more often, and have bigger and better performances and overall, give them the influence to make more music. Disliking a band solely because of mainstream success is silly! Music only has one real purpose, and that's for people to listen to it.
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Phosphor Glow
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Post by Phosphor Glow on Dec 6, 2009 6:31:00 GMT -5
I have. But once again, who cares if they're popular or in the mainstream? Why does that matter so much? This is something that is really puzzling. It really defeats the purpose of being a fan of the band. Hitting the charts would allow them to tour more often, and have bigger and better performances and overall, give them the influence to make more music. Disliking a band solely because of mainstream success is silly! Music only has one real purpose, and that's for people to listen to it. I completely agree. Liking, or disliking a band, simply because they're mainstream or not, is absolutely pointless. I want the bands I enjoy to be successful. I listen to a ton of bands that are in the mainstream. I listen to a ton that aren't. It really doesn't matter to me either way, as long as I enjoy the music. If a band I enjoy is totally successful, awesome. If they're not...as long as they're making music they love and are enjoying doing it, I'm happy.
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Post by Slim Loves Lily on Dec 6, 2009 7:20:23 GMT -5
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Post by theryno665 on Dec 6, 2009 9:21:27 GMT -5
Anybody worth calling themselves a fan of metal. And I'm not even a huge fan of them. But I recognize talent. So who cares if 15 year olds at the mall don't know who they are? For all your cries about metal being "dead", it's in a better state than it has been since the '80s. Sure, all the sub-genres are getting a bit ludicrous but the fact that there are so many facets to metal only shows that there are so many bands devoted to it. "True" metal will never be accepted in the mainstream...and that's the way its supposed to be. Metal is "loud" and "scary" and freaks out parents because America's so damn uptight and filled with false morals, which only makes metal thrive in the underground, which is where the true fans are. Music is all about progression, otherwise we'd still be listening to cavemen beating rocks with sticks. As much crap as I give Top 40 radio, I'd take the current state of pop over the boy band craze at the beginning of the millennium. Hell, I'd rather listen to Taylor Swift than 99% of current country, one of the few musical genres that stifles progression.
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Post by fuzzywarble, squat cobbler on Dec 6, 2009 10:58:28 GMT -5
I was disappointed w/Ratitude. There were maybe 3 or 4 good songs but the rest was crap. Not necessarily just the music, but ever since Make Believe, Rivers' lyric-writing has gotten REALLY lazy. The humor is just about gone and it's now appealing to the lowest common denominator (a song about the mall? in 2009? a song about not wanting to stop partying?) This definitely isn't their first 4 albums, which were brilliant. If they're not going back to their Blue/Pinkerton style, I wish they would release more stuff like Maladroit, which was amazing and their last good album.
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Post by Blindkarevik on Dec 6, 2009 13:22:55 GMT -5
Anybody who knows anything about metal knows the biggest problem with it is the fact that it has so many sub-generes. For a metal fan, that is amazing as it gives you tons of variety, but for someone who is not a fan or just getting introduced to the genre it can get confusing and frustrating. However, what this means is there is so many interests spread over such a vast landscape that there really isn't very many bands everybody can agree on.
Also, it has a tendency to shapeshit and mold itself into new genres and when you hear something new, a section of the previous fans nestle themselves there. At the beginning of this decade, the Gothenburg Melodic-Death sound was absolutely huge. The taste of rap-rock was still in a lot of metal fans mouths and they needed something that was heavy, had solos, and had a bit of melody. Since then, there has been a rise of Folk-Metal.
Has any of this evolved the genre as a whole? No. Reason being is what I had mentioned before. In metal, very seldom does the genre go where the wind blows. Rather, when something new enters the landscape, it creates a new sub-genre. Whereas the Rolling Stones decided "Hey, Disco is big... let's make a disco sounding album," you're not going to find Sepultura deciding to add flutes and singing about northern lands.
No matter what new sounds creep into metal, there will always be a huge group of people who just simply want to hear something like they did back in the day, and rather than having to reminisce about the glory days of thrash or groove or whatever-have-you like you do in most genres. Just a little research in metal will find you some outstanding bands with that same style who are operating today. Metal is its own time machine where the past, present and future all exist simultaneously. That's why it'll never die, because it doesn't even have its own life in itself. It doesn't have to keep evolving as a whole, as all the parts keep moving and changing within itself to create something new that appeals to some, maybe not appeal to others.. but nobody is left out of the crowd. If you hate Folk-Metal, every other sub-genre in metal is still active and very much alive.
Now, the only way I can agree with the "metal is dead" statement is if you mean it's out of the mainstream for good. Well, good.... metal doesn't need the mainstream. IF you want it, you'll find it, and if you want it bad enough, you'll find exactly what you're looking for and more.
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Post by nickcave on Dec 6, 2009 13:34:09 GMT -5
Anybody worth calling themselves a fan of metal. And I'm not even a huge fan of them. But I recognize talent. So who cares if 15 year olds at the mall don't know who they are? For all your cries about metal being "dead", it's in a better state than it has been since the '80s. Sure, all the sub-genres are getting a bit ludicrous but the fact that there are so many facets to metal only shows that there are so many bands devoted to it. "True" metal will never be accepted in the mainstream...and that's the way its supposed to be. Metal is "loud" and "scary" and freaks out parents because America's so damn uptight and filled with false morals, which only makes metal thrive in the underground, which is where the true fans are. Music is all about progression, otherwise we'd still be listening to cavemen beating rocks with sticks. As much crap as I give Top 40 radio, I'd take the current state of pop over the boy band craze at the beginning of the millennium. Hell, I'd rather listen to Taylor Swift than 99% of current country, one of the few musical genres that stifles progression. Country progresses just not the crap you hear on the radio. Listen to some Alt-Country bands and their ten times better than anything that mainstream country has done in the last 20 years.
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Post by theryno665 on Dec 6, 2009 14:10:30 GMT -5
Anybody worth calling themselves a fan of metal. And I'm not even a huge fan of them. But I recognize talent. So who cares if 15 year olds at the mall don't know who they are? For all your cries about metal being "dead", it's in a better state than it has been since the '80s. Sure, all the sub-genres are getting a bit ludicrous but the fact that there are so many facets to metal only shows that there are so many bands devoted to it. "True" metal will never be accepted in the mainstream...and that's the way its supposed to be. Metal is "loud" and "scary" and freaks out parents because America's so damn uptight and filled with false morals, which only makes metal thrive in the underground, which is where the true fans are. Music is all about progression, otherwise we'd still be listening to cavemen beating rocks with sticks. As much crap as I give Top 40 radio, I'd take the current state of pop over the boy band craze at the beginning of the millennium. Hell, I'd rather listen to Taylor Swift than 99% of current country, one of the few musical genres that stifles progression. Country progresses just not the crap you hear on the radio. Listen to some Alt-Country bands and their ten times better than anything that mainstream country has done in the last 20 years. Probably the same as hip-hop and rap, I'm sure. There's plenty of good rap out there...just none of it in the mainstream. But I do believe that a good portion of country died when Johnny Cash did. As for BlindSlayer, I agree with your post 100%, particularly your last point. I think all the sub-genres and stuff should be used as a way to weed out the fairweather fans and find out who the die-hards truly are. I was in high-school when the whole nu-metal wave was in full-effect. I was listening to stuff like Korn and Mudvayne and such but it wasn't enough for me. Due to growing up as a child and having older siblings that listened to stuff like Metallica and Guns 'N Roses, I guess I had a predisposition to metal but all the '80s stuff wasn't enough for me either. So I took to the Internet and I was listening to stuff like Malevolent Creation before I graduated. And I just kept going into black metal, hardcore, grind, etc., just trying to listen to whatever I can. Really, the only metal genre I don't like is Power Metal, and even then I can enjoy it on a novelty value. So I'll imagine in a few years, all these scene bands designed to sell pink logo'd shirts at Hot Topic will fade away soon enough. But maybe these bands serve a purpose to break kids into metal, encourage them to dig a little deeper and get them listening to the really good stuff. But that's all up to the kids, whether they wanna follow fads or not.
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Post by Eunös ✈ on Dec 6, 2009 18:15:00 GMT -5
Anything from that Overrated Piece of Garbage off a Show..X Factor
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Dec 6, 2009 18:45:17 GMT -5
Anybody worth calling themselves a fan of metal. And I'm not even a huge fan of them. But I recognize talent. So who cares if 15 year olds at the mall don't know who they are? For all your cries about metal being "dead", it's in a better state than it has been since the '80s. Sure, all the sub-genres are getting a bit ludicrous but the fact that there are so many facets to metal only shows that there are so many bands devoted to it. "True" metal will never be accepted in the mainstream...and that's the way its supposed to be. Metal is "loud" and "scary" and freaks out parents because America's so damn uptight and filled with false morals, which only makes metal thrive in the underground, which is where the true fans are. Music is all about progression, otherwise we'd still be listening to cavemen beating rocks with sticks. As much crap as I give Top 40 radio, I'd take the current state of pop over the boy band craze at the beginning of the millennium. Hell, I'd rather listen to Taylor Swift than 99% of current country, one of the few musical genres that stifles progression. Country progresses just not the crap you hear on the radio. Listen to some Alt-Country bands and their ten times better than anything that mainstream country has done in the last 20 years. The Alt. Country scene is pretty damned amazing. Anything Tweedy and Farrar do is awesome. Roger Clyne is fantastic.
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Post by Jay Carroll on Dec 6, 2009 19:08:17 GMT -5
...sometimes I feel like I'm the only one who liked Raditude. A lot. I think it's awesome. You're such a Weezer apologist ;D They put on a great show when I saw them, but the new album just didn't do a whole lot for me. As for the whole hip-hop debate, I think there's room for political and social rapping and just normal hip-hop lyrics, and I feel that there are enough good hip hop artists in each category that the entire genre doesn't have to be relegated to this list. I really am, man. I can't help it. They continue to do stuff that I enjoy, despite the fact that it's not particularly similar to their old stuff. I mean, Pinkerton is my favourite album of all time, by anyone...but still. I even liked Make Believe.[/quote] I liked Make Believe, too. Hell, I liked every single Weezer album up until Raditude. I just was so disappointed with this offering that it put me straight into rant mode after i finished listening to it. And I've been a Weezer apologist since 2005. I wanted Raditude to succeed, and not just based on the album name. It originally was supposed to be more songs they recorded for The Red Album, and if it had sounded more like the bonus tracks that came with The Red Album I would have been extremely satisfied. But, the album came across more as something that the band just canned so they could have an excuse to keep touring and racking in money. The visual of Rivers in the back of a club drinking Patron and being too preoccupied with partying and women to craft a good album stuck out, and the songs that were contributed by the other band members (Patrick Wilson wrote "In The Mall", which makes the song he sang/wrote on the Red Album ("Automatic") seem even better in comparison. At the end of the day, Weezer is still on my list of greatest bands ever, and I'm still a fan. But I'm not gonna let epic fandom get in the way of good judgement, and my judgement says "Raditude sucked". If Weezer announces tomorrow that they're releasing a new album, I'll be cautiously optimistic, but optimistic nonetheless.
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Post by mike5286 on Dec 6, 2009 19:29:42 GMT -5
Taylor Swift and Miley Cyrus.
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Post by mike5286 on Dec 6, 2009 19:32:43 GMT -5
Also throwing out Black Eyed Peas as some of the worst music of 09.
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Post by King Boo on Dec 6, 2009 19:44:11 GMT -5
That we're all female? So? Point being, only women could like that tripe. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Oh, okay. As long as you're not passing off an offensive opinion as fact. That would be awkward.
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