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Post by Insomniac on Dec 6, 2009 19:49:17 GMT -5
I heard Lady Gaga's "Bad Romance" song the other day. That was a seriously catchy tune. Video wasn't too shabby either.
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Post by Rorschach on Dec 6, 2009 19:59:10 GMT -5
I heard Lady Gaga's "Bad Romance" song the other day. That was a seriously catchy tune. Video wasn't too shabby either. Her music IS catchy. I think a lot of the hate for her comes from her omniprescence on the radio, and the fact that she blew up so FAST. At this point, I'm kind of indifferent to her.
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Post by Phosphor Glow on Dec 6, 2009 20:02:00 GMT -5
Point being, only women could like that tripe. Oh, okay. As long as you're not passing off an offensive opinion as fact. That would be awkward. Yeah, thank god it's not that.
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Post by BK From WV on Dec 6, 2009 20:48:11 GMT -5
Here's one I forgot to add, however you can file this under folk/indie hipster drivel fairly easily. Just frigging terrible. I could not disagree more. That's easily one of my favorite albums this year.
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Post by Sarsaparilla on Dec 7, 2009 0:34:17 GMT -5
Anybody worth calling themselves a fan of metal. And I'm not even a huge fan of them. No. No, no no no no no. Replace Isis with Sabbath, Priest, Motorhead, Maiden and Metallica and maybe sub-bands like Mayhem, Morbid Angel and Death and then you'd be right. Isis' first album came out in 2000, so don't be ridiculous. Yeah because Killswitch Engage's version of Holy Diver was way better than the original. I'm not trying to be flippant or dismissive, but how can you even say that? Slayer won a grammy and Metallica is definitely and absolutely mainstream. Even Metallica's old stuff is considered 'classic'. The fact that tracks from Master of Puppets gets played on certain stations while bands who did the same thing either get no acknowledgement or recognition, whatever, shows that a band can be bigger than the genre while the genre itself is really just niche. The reason metal is dead is because the progression of it by around the 90's was geared towards giving metal recognition while the two big off-shoot genres, black and death, are so filled with music that's (abominable for one thing) counter-culture to the counter-culture of metal, which means that it's doomed to go nowhere. Since Master of Puppets and Black Album, every band has tried to do the exact same thing and replicate them, which are two POPULAR albums. Metal was a counter culture, but it can't be when every band tried to be accessible to certain scenes. Scenes have blended and have been bastardized by guys who have tongue and nose piercings and blonde streaks in jet black hair, and that's evolution and progression? Not to mention, Metallica's uproar of popularity in 1991 as well as Nevermind really did kind of relegate any further evolution in metal to black and death metal. Megadeth tried to become a success, as did Anthrax, Slayer were confused and released nu metal albums, Priest and Maiden lost their frontmen and Ozzy made crap in the 1990's before becoming a reality TV star. It's just done.
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Post by BK From WV on Dec 7, 2009 1:07:42 GMT -5
Anybody worth calling themselves a fan of metal. And I'm not even a huge fan of them. No. No, no no no no no. Replace Isis with Sabbath, Priest, Motorhead, Maiden and Metallica and maybe sub-bands like Mayhem, Morbid Angel and Death and then you'd be right. Isis' first album came out in 2000, so don't be ridiculous. Wait a minute. So just because their first album came out in 2000,they don't count as metal? That logic makes no sense at all. I'm not trying to debate whether Isis is or isn't metal but you make it sound like that if a band has only been around since 2000,they can't possibly be metal. It also seems like you're saying that a person who is a true fan of metal can't like Isis? I have a few friends who are fans of metal and they like Isis. Again,I'm not trying to say whether they are or aren't metal. I just don't agree with your statement that a band can't be metal if they've only been around 10 years(if that is,in fact,what you're saying). Please correct me if I'm misunderstanding you.
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Post by Sarsaparilla on Dec 7, 2009 1:35:11 GMT -5
No I'm sure they're metal, but they're hardly a band that everyone has to know in order to be a fan of metal. I was told that anyone worth calling themselves a fan of metal should have heard of them. Like, really? It's kind of a pompous statement. I've listened to Bathory, Gorgoroth, Atheist, Darkthrone, Sodom, Suffocation, Vader and a bunch of other bands, but I was passively told that I'm not a fan of metal because I hadn't heard of Isis before this thread.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2009 7:06:57 GMT -5
Also throwing out Black Eyed Peas as some of the worst music of 09. I posted this earlier in the thread, but I'll repeat -- The Black Eyed Peas are amazing. The E.N.D. isn't a classic, but it's nowhere near as bad as what people think it is. It's a brilliant dance record.
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Post by mike5286 on Dec 7, 2009 8:36:08 GMT -5
Also throwing out Black Eyed Peas as some of the worst music of 09. I posted this earlier in the thread, but I'll repeat -- The Black Eyed Peas are amazing. The E.N.D. isn't a classic, but it's nowhere near as bad as what people think it is. It's a brilliant dance record. I liked the BEP around 03 but Fergie spliiting up from them i lost all caring for the Peas.
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Post by anticonscience on Dec 7, 2009 8:40:41 GMT -5
I won't call it the WORST of 2009 but I feel the most disappointing CD this year was the new Bravery CD which came out last week. They had so many vocal effects going that the singing becomes practically indecipherable and ruins the CD in my opinion.
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Dec 7, 2009 8:50:11 GMT -5
Also throwing out Black Eyed Peas as some of the worst music of 09. I posted this earlier in the thread, but I'll repeat -- The Black Eyed Peas are amazing. The E.N.D. isn't a classic, but it's nowhere near as bad as what people think it is. It's a brilliant dance record. I loved them pre-Fergie, after her, I just cannot stand a thing they do. And "My Humps" is one of the worst songs ever, if just for the line "My lovely Lady Lumps", seriously, if you have lumps you may have breast cancer, get it checked out.
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Post by theryno665 on Dec 7, 2009 9:47:29 GMT -5
No I'm sure they're metal, but they're hardly a band that everyone has to know in order to be a fan of metal. I was told that anyone worth calling themselves a fan of metal should have heard of them. Like, really? It's kind of a pompous statement. I've listened to Bathory, Gorgoroth, Atheist, Darkthrone, Sodom, Suffocation, Vader and a bunch of other bands, but I was passively told that I'm not a fan of metal because I hadn't heard of Isis before this thread. I didn't say that. But just because you haven't heard of something doesn't make it any less metal, or any less good for that matter. Maybe you're not TRYING to be flippant or dismissive, but you're definitely succeeding in every statement you make. But calling an entire genre "dead" just because you refuse to look beyond the heyday and into the future and refuse to find even the smallest bit of good in it just comes off as ignorant. Sorry.
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Dec 7, 2009 9:59:11 GMT -5
No I'm sure they're metal, but they're hardly a band that everyone has to know in order to be a fan of metal. I was told that anyone worth calling themselves a fan of metal should have heard of them. Like, really? It's kind of a pompous statement. I've listened to Bathory, Gorgoroth, Atheist, Darkthrone, Sodom, Suffocation, Vader and a bunch of other bands, but I was passively told that I'm not a fan of metal because I hadn't heard of Isis before this thread. I didn't say that. But just because you haven't heard of something doesn't make it any less metal, or any less good for that matter. Maybe you're not TRYING to be flippant or dismissive, but you're definitely succeeding in every statement you make. But calling an entire genre "dead" just because you refuse to look beyond the heyday and into the future and refuse to find even the smallest bit of good in it just comes off as ignorant. Sorry. This sounds an awful lot like the hip hop discussion a few pages back. Is punk next?
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Post by Sarsaparilla on Dec 7, 2009 10:23:20 GMT -5
No I'm sure they're metal, but they're hardly a band that everyone has to know in order to be a fan of metal. I was told that anyone worth calling themselves a fan of metal should have heard of them. Like, really? It's kind of a pompous statement. I've listened to Bathory, Gorgoroth, Atheist, Darkthrone, Sodom, Suffocation, Vader and a bunch of other bands, but I was passively told that I'm not a fan of metal because I hadn't heard of Isis before this thread. I didn't say that. But just because you haven't heard of something doesn't make it any less metal, or any less good for that matter. I'm sure they're metal and I'm sure I could see why someone would like them. I was just saying that I do know plenty about metal despite not having heard them, and that depending on what websites you frequent there are bands that are ignored and bands that get talked about a lot. I hadn't heard of Isis, but I've still listened to bands far more obscure than them. Well let's try again, sometimes it's hard to express emotions and points through text. Well I'm certainly not ignorant about metal because I've heard a lot of it. I've heard bands that were godawful and disgraceful, yet I gave them the benefit of the doubt because at least it was interesting and oftentimes there's not a whole lot of aesthetic difference between good and bad bands. I've heard metal from the 90's and 00's, from hugely popular to stuff recorded in Norwegian forests where the vocalists were allegedly being recorded in a casket or with a dead rat taped to the microphone. The reasoning behind metal being dead isn't literal in that it isn't being made anymore, but philosophically and abstractly it certainly is. Metal is like a lot of genres where as soon as one big band makes a trend, every band after them will latch onto it and it becomes 'the thing to do'. Originally it was a drastic counter to rock 'n roll, then it was amplified, sped up and heavier by 1980, the wave of British heavy metal made it faster and awe-inspiringly technical almost to the point of self parody (but at the time was unlike anything - listen to The Trooper... it's an out-of-this-world riff that would be unthinkable to be used as something to keep a song together, not to mention the crazy bass driving it), and then Metallica changed music forever by influencing every band after them by mixing heavy metal aesthetics (fast chugging and shredding riffs, aggressive vocals, double bass) with THEIR influences, which was music based on the earlier Motorhead songs, Queen, Thin Lizzy, Bob Seger whatever. Because of all of that, now metal isn't so much niche as it is having its place in rock, and bands that are unoriginal, have these asinine choruses and verses, structures, basically do hard rock or punk-or-hardcore-based or new-metal-or-grunge-based songs with the Loudness War and ultra-clean production and are less advanced than their counterparts from decades past are not only leading the way, but have eradicated the metal scene of any substance so that, as I mentioned, nostalgia acts are more popular and now "metal bands" share the same audience as punk, emo and nu metal fans. And it's because the music is basically the same anyway. What is the difference - and seriously - between bands like, I dunno, Black Dahlia Murder and Chimaira with Limp Bizkit or Coheed & Cambria? Thanks to the production, it might as well be the same genre. If metal isn't dead, it's definitely come together with another genre or genres or it's just kind of cut off at some point.
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Post by theryno665 on Dec 7, 2009 17:04:04 GMT -5
See, now that's what I like to hear. Or read, rather. *high five*
I will agree with you that metal as a whole may be a bit "diluted" due to the pool of influences growing wider with every generation of bands. But I think its up to the bands themselves whether they want to merely ape the sounds or use their influences to create something new. And I think that's where all the sub-genre labels come in. Even though I listen to a wide range of music, I kinda consider everything "metal". I like stuff like Bleeding Through, HIM, Horse The Band, Cradle of Filth, Agoraphobic Nosebleed, Mayhem, and so on and so forth. But since most people I know don't really listen to heavy music, I just tell them I listen to "metal" just so I don't go into some pointless discussion (to them) for a half hour since I'm listening to like 43 different sub-genres. On one hand, the labels may be polarizing and only serve to segregate fans from each other, but most genres don't really have the depth or range that metal does, so it's kinda necessary.
On the production front, I think that has to do mainly with the fact that the technology is so advanced yet so affordable that it's pretty much difficult for modern bands to not sound "clean" without resorting to recording on an '80s stereo tape deck. Of course, stuff like this opens up the whole digital/analog debate and whether or not vinyl is still important, which is a whole other can of worms.
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Post by Janitor From Mars on Dec 7, 2009 22:10:02 GMT -5
I don't see the point of arguing about what is and what is not metal.
I just enjoy music or what it is and even though I'm primarily into punk and hardcore, that won't stop me from listening to and spinning metal. I like variety.
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Post by Janitor From Mars on Dec 7, 2009 22:10:02 GMT -5
I don't see the point of arguing about what is and what is not metal.
I just enjoy music or what it is and even though I'm primarily into punk and hardcore, that won't stop me from listening to and spinning metal. I like variety.
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Post by Janitor From Mars on Dec 7, 2009 22:15:47 GMT -5
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Post by Sarsaparilla on Dec 7, 2009 22:57:08 GMT -5
Haha apparently I'm the only one who hadn't heard of Isis. I'm weird like that, I hadn't heard of Bob Geldof until last year.
Ryno you make good points, but I just don't think metal has fundamentally changed in over 20 years. Or changed originally. We'll have to agree to disagree.
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