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Post by Young Game on Dec 5, 2009 3:11:26 GMT -5
I can make that statement due to your comments and the fact that I highly doubt you have listened to every hip hop record put out over the past few years. Fair enough. I respect your statement. You might, however, be surprised. I've listened to quite a bit of quite a lot. Enough to make educated decisions. It now begs the question, have YOU listened to everything hip-hop released in the past few years?
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Post by nate5054 on Dec 5, 2009 3:11:54 GMT -5
The old fogey in me says all of it.
Except the new Alice in Chains album. That was the bright spot of the year, hell, maybe the decade for me.
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Dec 5, 2009 3:30:56 GMT -5
I can make that statement due to your comments and the fact that I highly doubt you have listened to every hip hop record put out over the past few years. Fair enough. I respect your statement. You might, however, be surprised. I've listened to quite a bit of quite a lot. Enough to make educated decisions. It now begs the question, have YOU listened to everything hip-hop released in the past few years? Nope, nor do I make illusions to it. But much of what I have listened to has been well above average for any genre and has held political and social commentary.
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Post by Threadkiller [Classic] on Dec 5, 2009 3:44:10 GMT -5
Fair enough. I respect your statement. You might, however, be surprised. I've listened to quite a bit of quite a lot. Enough to make educated decisions. It now begs the question, have YOU listened to everything hip-hop released in the past few years? Nope, nor do I make illusions to it. But much of what I have listened to has been well above average for any genre and has held political and social commentary. The best of what hip hop has to offer usually does. And a slammin' hook. People still say "slammin'" right?
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Post by Tarik Dee on Dec 5, 2009 11:30:15 GMT -5
Empire of the Sun is really bad, like a bad version of MGMT. Like i said before, its all about of tastes, and i think is one of the greates bands of the year, and sounds lot beter than MGMT (who im also a fan) And about Hip hop/rap, there´s good music out there, i mean technically Rage Against The Machine use rap on theirs songs and they are not bad.
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Post by Tarik Dee on Dec 5, 2009 11:34:02 GMT -5
Anything hip hop is dead since Tupac. Eminem and Dre are kind of in a league of their own and I like them though, so I don't count them. Empire of the Sun is really bad, like a bad version of MGMT. ...yeah, I respectfully disagree. Tupac was great and all, but as far as I'm concerned he wasn't anywhere near the be-all end-all of hip-hop. Neither was Biggie. It's still alive and kicking, my friend. True fact: I got wished well in my future endeavors from the site I used to work for because the review I submitted for the new Weezer album was so lackluster. My mental response? If my editor had listened to the album, he would have slopped together a review and been done with it as well. My final words (and verdict) on the album: This album is for those who have to have every Weezer album, and those people only. There is only one good song out of ten on the regular release, and if you insist on buying this album make sure it's a deluxe copy so you can justify the price with the "limited edition" songs. And I actually spent $4 bucks on that steaming pile of ****. I can't decide which song was worse: or Oh, and if you are looking for the one good song I mentioned: ...sometimes I feel like I'm the only one who liked Raditude. A lot. I think it's awesome.[/quote] I hear a few of songs and that sounds really cool, i think the album is awesome too.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Dec 5, 2009 11:40:52 GMT -5
anything relating to david guesta. do you remember those crappy pound shop versions of your favourite toy? that's what he does to music. hollow, no soul, cacky trite that sells well but leaves about as much impression as casper on labour day.
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Post by Kruton on Dec 5, 2009 12:20:15 GMT -5
Anything hip hop is dead since Tupac. Eminem and Dre are kind of in a league of their own and I like them though, so I don't count them. Empire of the Sun is really bad, like a bad version of MGMT. ...yeah, I respectfully disagree. Tupac was great and all, but as far as I'm concerned he wasn't anywhere near the be-all end-all of hip-hop. Neither was Biggie. It's still alive and kicking, my friend. True fact: I got wished well in my future endeavors from the site I used to work for because the review I submitted for the new Weezer album was so lackluster. My mental response? If my editor had listened to the album, he would have slopped together a review and been done with it as well. My final words (and verdict) on the album: This album is for those who have to have every Weezer album, and those people only. There is only one good song out of ten on the regular release, and if you insist on buying this album make sure it's a deluxe copy so you can justify the price with the "limited edition" songs. And I actually spent $4 bucks on that steaming pile of ****. I can't decide which song was worse: or Oh, and if you are looking for the one good song I mentioned: ...sometimes I feel like I'm the only one who liked Raditude. A lot. I think it's awesome.[/quote] You're such a Weezer apologist ;D They put on a great show when I saw them, but the new album just didn't do a whole lot for me. As for the whole hip-hop debate, I think there's room for political and social rapping and just normal hip-hop lyrics, and I feel that there are enough good hip hop artists in each category that the entire genre doesn't have to be relegated to this list.
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Post by Phosphor Glow on Dec 5, 2009 15:11:57 GMT -5
...yeah, I respectfully disagree. Tupac was great and all, but as far as I'm concerned he wasn't anywhere near the be-all end-all of hip-hop. Neither was Biggie. It's still alive and kicking, my friend. True fact: I got wished well in my future endeavors from the site I used to work for because the review I submitted for the new Weezer album was so lackluster. My mental response? If my editor had listened to the album, he would have slopped together a review and been done with it as well. My final words (and verdict) on the album: This album is for those who have to have every Weezer album, and those people only. There is only one good song out of ten on the regular release, and if you insist on buying this album make sure it's a deluxe copy so you can justify the price with the "limited edition" songs. And I actually spent $4 bucks on that steaming pile of ****. I can't decide which song was worse: or Oh, and if you are looking for the one good song I mentioned: ...sometimes I feel like I'm the only one who liked Raditude. A lot. I think it's awesome. You're such a Weezer apologist ;D They put on a great show when I saw them, but the new album just didn't do a whole lot for me. As for the whole hip-hop debate, I think there's room for political and social rapping and just normal hip-hop lyrics, and I feel that there are enough good hip hop artists in each category that the entire genre doesn't have to be relegated to this list.[/quote] I really am, man. I can't help it. They continue to do stuff that I enjoy, despite the fact that it's not particularly similar to their old stuff. I mean, Pinkerton is my favourite album of all time, by anyone...but still. I even liked Make Believe.
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Post by ThereIsNoAbsurdistOnlyZuul on Dec 5, 2009 15:47:28 GMT -5
...sometimes I feel like I'm the only one who liked Raditude. A lot. I think it's awesome. You're such a Weezer apologist ;D They put on a great show when I saw them, but the new album just didn't do a whole lot for me. As for the whole hip-hop debate, I think there's room for political and social rapping and just normal hip-hop lyrics, and I feel that there are enough good hip hop artists in each category that the entire genre doesn't have to be relegated to this list. I really am, man. I can't help it. They continue to do stuff that I enjoy, despite the fact that it's not particularly similar to their old stuff. I mean, Pinkerton is my favourite album of all time, by anyone...but still. I even liked Make Believe.[/quote] Raditude is also one of the best album titles EVER. I dig the single off it. And I have faith in Cuomo that he and his guys can put out poppy stuff I can listen too. Though their old stuff is also brilliant. Also... I don't know why, I really don't but I have some sick fascination with brokeNCYDE and their ilk, it is horrible, horrible music, that for some reason I like.
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Post by theryno665 on Dec 5, 2009 16:11:28 GMT -5
They're huge here. They just won about 4 or 5 ARIA awards (Australian Grammys) last week. In fact SEVEN!!! awards, they are amazing, and here is the video of they playing Walking On A Dream on the awards: So THAT's who does that song. On the one hand, at least I know now after hearing it so many times. On the other hand, I wish I didn't. Whenever I hear this song at work, I just keep thinking "Who got some R&B singer with a cold to lay a track over '80s adult contemporary?" Everything just sounds off key to me. And now that I've actually seen what they look like and can put a face to a song, I can hate equally. :-P Have fun getting the bills from the record company for that stage show when your next song doesn't take off. No offense, of course. I'm kinda glad I don't listen to radio other than at work, but because of that, I usually don't know who sings what. I seriously didn't know what the hell Amy Winehouse sang until like a year after she was popular. I thought they just handed out Grammys for being a coke addict. I didn't know what Lady Gaga sang until someone pointed it out to me. The thing about Lady Gaga is I actually kinda like her. She has a nice voice, can play the piano well and her songs are catchy. I just don't get why she had to be so "unique" when her songs are just your average Top 40 radio hits of today. Anyone with a decent voice and a good producer can put out what she's doing, so it's not exactly "art" as her costumes and such are making it out to be.
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Post by Sarsaparilla on Dec 5, 2009 20:34:05 GMT -5
Exactly, Player. Spot on. And yes, there are genres that are definitely dead. Rock and roll is dead, disco is dead and metal is dead. For instance, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame thingy. Wasn't it supposed to be about counter-culture and rebellion? How can they be in a HOF, and how come bands like Metallica are still the young guys? Concerning Metallica, they're really the last big metal band that's important (sub genres of metal don't count, only the big ones as this is what the thread's about), and even though their last album was good it's certainly not a representation of the genre. Mastodon would like a word with you. Really? A band that is 10% metal and better represent hardcore, alternative, progressive and groove? They might be the most popular band that is as close to the representation of simpler, pure metal but that's a dubious claim.
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Post by Wolfaga on Dec 5, 2009 21:30:05 GMT -5
Mind you, bands like Mastodon and such are evolving the metal genre as a whole, Metal ain't dead, it's just expanded to such an extent where there's a very thin chance of a band being labeled as "Pure Metal".
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Post by Sarsaparilla on Dec 5, 2009 21:43:54 GMT -5
It is dead, or at least is tainted or has lost its soul because everything about the genre is now based on the past bands. No bands go against the grain because now Black Sabbath and Judas Priest are in the same league as or lumped together with Deep Purple, Pink Floyd, Zeppelin, KISS and maybe even Rolling Stones. Nobody acknowledges the contrast between old metal bands and old rock bands which is why Metallica were put in the Hall of Fame ASAP.
And the proof that anything in metal is not new or expanding as a genre is that most places you go, the most popular new bands do a lot of covers whereas the underground metal scene is dying. Mastodon to their credit tried to mix as many genres as possible when they started but now have "matured" their music, which means "do what has already been done", which is what Crack The Skye is.
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Post by Ultimo Chocula on Dec 6, 2009 2:32:46 GMT -5
Mind you, bands like Mastodon and such are evolving the metal genre as a whole, Metal ain't dead, it's just expanded to such an extent where there's a very thin chance of a band being labeled as "Pure Metal". Exactly. Metal has to progress and mature or else it will become a parody of itself. Bonded By Blood is a good example of a band that takes influences from 80's thrash but brings nothing original to expand it so they sound like a joke.
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Post by Sarsaparilla on Dec 6, 2009 2:50:54 GMT -5
Mastodon are a terrible example of progressing a genre. They're a metal band who are as far away from metal as you can get while being a part of the genre. Remission and the work before that was based in hardcore, Blood Mountain was a messy mix of many genres with harsh vocals and Crack The Skye showed that the band listened to 1960's psychadelia. That's not evolution or expansion dude. It is for the band itself, but it's getting away from the roots of metal which is why the only metal there is now is heavily nostalgic or so mainstream-based that it fits in with other genres. If it's not either of the two, it's some terrible aberration in metal that's popular in Scandinavia and South America with bands that only 2000 people know about them.
I haven't heard the band Bonded By Blood but I'm sure they're redundant, yet lots of metalheads will tell you that Evile is a better band than Mastodon, and yet Mastodon gets put on the cover of Rolling Stone (the same magazine that called Justin Timberlake and 'edgy performer').
If you want to get right down to it, metal stopped evolving probably before the 1990's. Death and black metal kinda pushed the boundaries and still continue, but they're very seperate from 'normal' metal bands in the first place.
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Post by Phosphor Glow on Dec 6, 2009 3:02:46 GMT -5
Mastodon are a terrible example of progressing a genre. They're a metal band who are as far away from metal as you can get while being a part of the genre. Remission and the work before that was based in hardcore, Blood Mountain was a messy mix of many genres with harsh vocals and Crack The Skye showed that the band listened to 1960's psychadelia. That's not evolution or expansion dude. It is for the band itself, but it's getting away from the roots of metal which is why the only metal there is now is heavily nostalgic or so mainstream-based that it fits in with other genres. If it's not either of the two, it's some terrible aberration in metal that's popular in Scandinavia and South America with bands that only 2000 people know about them. I haven't heard the band Bonded By Blood but I'm sure they're redundant, yet lots of metalheads will tell you that Evile is a better band than Mastodon, and yet Mastodon gets put on the cover of Rolling Stone (the same magazine that called Justin Timberlake and 'edgy performer'). If you want to get right down to it, metal stopped evolving probably before the 1990's. Death and black metal kinda pushed the boundaries and still continue, but they're very seperate from 'normal' metal bands in the first place. So...metal is dead because it's progressing away from what it originally was, and that's bad, but playing in the style of older metal bands is bad too? I don't get it.
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Post by Sarsaparilla on Dec 6, 2009 3:29:46 GMT -5
It means it has nowhere else to go.
Not 'Dead' as in doesn't progress, but dead in that it's not an alternative to anything and it's merely a nostalgia venue. And let's be honest, any progression in metal in like 2 decades has been a bastardization of the genre. Same with the culmination of the rock genre with Nirvana - it was basically the be all end all in the 90's, yet even Kurt Cobain had written music HEAVILY inspired so much to the point of being a rip off in some cases, even if it was good. There really hasn't been a big band since Nirvana, and now with the internet Rolling Stones are continually cited as the last ultra-legendary rock band.
I mean, consider the fact that rock 'n roll is definitely dead on the radio. Nobody cares about it enough anymore.
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Post by Ultimo Chocula on Dec 6, 2009 4:03:50 GMT -5
Metal has everywhere to go, the problem is that it might be progressing to something you don't like. The same thing happened to me in the early 00's when nu metal was hot and heavy. I thought metal was dead and it was a pointless genre. Then I discovered Isis and I realized how wrong I was. This might be the same thing for you now.
There are some bands who look to earlier influences and stick to them like glue, but like I said before, they could either come off as a bastardization like Bonded By Blood or they could be good but with a limited life span like Toxic Holocaust. Bands need to do something to add to it in order for the genre to progress, just like any other genre of music.
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Post by Sarsaparilla on Dec 6, 2009 4:47:45 GMT -5
And who's heard of Isis?
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