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Post by wwefan78 on Nov 18, 2009 20:45:48 GMT -5
Gabe has a right to his opinion about as much as we do. As a booker I can understand where he is coming from. Today's WWE format leaves no room for spontaneity or ad-libbing to fit the crowd reaction. Everything has to be done just so for the cameras while NEVER EVER diverting from the word-by-word script. Yeah sure no need for WWE to change, people are gonna watch anyway, but boring and stale it is
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Post by kropotkin on Nov 18, 2009 20:56:06 GMT -5
Gabe's a one trick pony, anyway... if you put him in a WWE Creative meeting, he wouldn't know what the hell to do. And the format of Smackdown in formulaic because IT'S A FREAKING TV SHOW WITH STRICT TIME/GUIDE LINES. The fact that Gabe wouldn't know what to do in WWE Creative Meeting is entirely to his credit. It just proves he's still sane.
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Post by theryno665 on Nov 18, 2009 20:56:38 GMT -5
Is it just me or has Jericho been going out of his way to be a d-bag? And the weird thing is...I sorta approve. Now if he'd just dye his facial hair in a creepy flesh color, we can have a Spencer Pratt gimmick!
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Post by nerdinitupagain on Nov 18, 2009 20:58:38 GMT -5
Gabe has a right to his opinion about as much as we do. As a booker I can understand where he is coming from. Today's WWE format leaves no room for spontaneity or ad-libbing to fit the crowd reaction. Everything has to be done just so for the cameras while NEVER EVER diverting from the word-by-word script. Yeah sure no need for WWE to change, people are gonna watch anyway, but boring and stale it is This. It's not that it's anyones fault. WWE has gone from a live wrestling event that's broad casted on TV, to a wrestling TV show filmed in front of a live audience. USA wants to know what's going on. They want to be able to sell advertising in certain spots. If WWE isn't on a tight script, you could have people go way over alloted promo times, match times. If you want to pull a slickly polished product like the WWE, you have to be precise as possible. You will have mistakes and people go over.. but the closer you stay to your script.. the easier it is for the network to work with you.
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Post by lildude8218 on Nov 18, 2009 21:00:01 GMT -5
he's not really criticizing WWE as a whole, just Smackdown. and I agree, I've found it boring for ages. every time I do watch it, it feels like it drags on for 4 hours. and people complain about Raw having the same matches but I can't remember how many times I saw the Benoit/Finlay "Suplex Suplex Suplex Suplex, Hornswoggle distraction, Shillelagh" match on Smackdown
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Nov 18, 2009 21:00:53 GMT -5
Gabe has a right to his opinion about as much as we do. More so IMO because he's actually been involved in the business in one of the most important positions in any promotion. Booking. Which means dealing with talent, planning out storylines and making sure things go smoothly...or as smoothly they can go in the business. At the end of the day, we're fans of the business. We have our right to express our view, definatly, but to say Gabe can't because he isn't in WWE or 'bailed' on ROH is dumb and basically means we don't have a voice because most of us aren't even ring rats never mind wrestlers or bookers or other talent. On his view...well, I can see his point as someone in his position. I've kind of been put off WWE myself and staleness kind of comes into it. I also see the 'just come back from a long ass flight' side because...they came back from a long ass flight.
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Post by The Verdict on Nov 18, 2009 21:04:35 GMT -5
I <3 Jericho
like anybody cares about his opinion(Gabe's)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2009 21:05:04 GMT -5
I don't thin anyone's saying Gabe's opinion is meaningless I just don't see how its anymore valuable or important than anyone
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Post by Big Hurt on Nov 18, 2009 21:32:34 GMT -5
So he left after Punks promo, but know how the whole show went? Amazing
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Post by Chainsaw on Nov 18, 2009 21:48:09 GMT -5
I <3 Jericho like anybody cares about his opinion(Gabe's) Well, I do, so that's one. Thanks for trying to speak for me.
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Post by primetime110 on Nov 18, 2009 21:56:15 GMT -5
So he left after Punks promo, but know how the whole show went? Amazing Ha, That is true. That didn't even cross my mind.
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Post by nerdinitupagain on Nov 18, 2009 22:00:16 GMT -5
Wow..
The fact people are getting offended over what Gabe Sapolsky wrote about the WWE is mind blowing. The man hates WWE's product and put over a good friend of his in the process. Shocker.
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Post by Ligerbusa on Nov 18, 2009 22:01:11 GMT -5
What Gabe means is "Not enough kickpads". So after Punk left he figured it was time to go home.
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Post by brettappedout (BLM) on Nov 18, 2009 22:17:37 GMT -5
Dragon Gate USA Twitter
@iamjericho better yet Mr. Jericho, consider yourself invited to 11/28 Philly or 1/23 Chi. DGUSA events & compare it to Smackdown yourself.
@iamjericho Don't worry about the breadline Mr. Jericho, you are always welcome in Dragon Gate USA or EVOLVE.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Nov 18, 2009 22:20:30 GMT -5
So, why is this a big enough deal to get 3 pages?
So what. So Gabe doesn't like the product. Fine. People are supposed to form their own opinions. On their own. Not be influenced because "BUT I LIKE GABE!".
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Post by Error on Nov 18, 2009 22:23:22 GMT -5
So, why is this a big enough deal to get 3 pages? So what. So Gabe doesn't like the product. Fine. People are supposed to form their own opinions. On their own. Not be influenced because "BUT I LIKE GABE!". Sigh, no one has said that. It's been people defending Gabe from the legions of "Who gives a shit, Gabe is a never was" or "Gabe sucks" when that has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Nov 18, 2009 22:33:33 GMT -5
I bet if they had walked around the ring, instead of to the ring, Gabe would have been much happier.
Gabe knows how to be different as well. Take DG USA. They have such a diverse roster, with so many different styles.....*checks DG USA website*.....oh, nevermind.
Ahh, I'm just picking on Gabe. I'm sure Jericho is too. I really think this is a bit blown out of proportion. Gabe does have his opinion, but it did come across as a bit snooty, if that's a word (it doesn't spell check it, so I assume it is). And Jericho made fun of him for it. It's not like this is a big challenge. He's picking on him. This is the same guy who talks about how crappy the Miz is and how gay he is on a regular basis on his twitter.
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Post by H-Fist on Nov 18, 2009 22:34:11 GMT -5
Has anyone else considered that this might be a worked shoot between Jericho and Gabe geared towards driving Jericho's internet followers to independent wrestling such as DGUSA? Jericho went out of his way to use "Gabe Sopolsky" in his brain farttweet. And Jericho likely wouldn't be above helping out a guy he worked with back in 1996 before either of them had achieved their current respective levels of notoriety. Jericho has, what, 50000 or more Twits following him? You have to figure some of those folks might also be able to use Google to figure out who this "Sopolsky" fella is...which leads them to a guy with original ECW cred who has multiple wrestling projects going. It's good for Gabe, good for the business, and not something that the E's corporate people would bunch their panties over.
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Post by hajimenoippo on Nov 18, 2009 23:15:38 GMT -5
Dragon Gate USA Twitter @iamjericho better yet Mr. Jericho, consider yourself invited to 11/28 Philly or 1/23 Chi. DGUSA events & compare it to Smackdown yourself. @iamjericho Don't worry about the breadline Mr. Jericho, you are always welcome in Dragon Gate USA or EVOLVE. LOL I guess he's running with it. I'm sure if Jericho went to DRagon Gate, he'd see matches so similar and devoid of psychology. Like many others do, and why many like me disliked Gabe's ROH
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Post by H-Fist on Nov 18, 2009 23:41:10 GMT -5
he's not really criticizing WWE as a whole, just Smackdown. and I agree, I've found it boring for ages. every time I do watch it, it feels like it drags on for 4 hours. and people complain about Raw having the same matches but I can't remember how many times I saw the Benoit/Finlay "Suplex Suplex Suplex Suplex, Hornswoggle distraction, Shillelagh" match on Smackdown Well, I can tell you the exact number of those matches you've seen that match since July 2007... But seriously, Smackdown has been a pretty good wrestling show, at least in 2009. They built Ziggler up into a credible midcarder. They built Morrison up into a beloved babyface high-flyer, a credible IC champ and an almost-main-eventer. They made Khali into an over babyface. They made Punk/Hardy the hottest feud of the year and pushed probably the best slow-burn turn since Batista/Triple H in the form of Punk; and now Punk is involved in a slow-burn angle involving Teddy, Vince and Scott Armstrong. This is being used to elevate R-Truth, another midcard babyface who needs direction. They maintained Jericho's momentum and returned the IC Title to a level of respect it hadn't seen in years through his feud with Mysterio, who also churned out his best matches in years. Edge was gaining a new direction and momentum before his injury. They have done so much right, including Batista's current heel turn, that their moments of bad TV stand out because, unlike Raw's, they have become somewhat unexpected.
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