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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 19, 2009 0:02:38 GMT -5
Dragon Gate USA Twitter @iamjericho better yet Mr. Jericho, consider yourself invited to 11/28 Philly or 1/23 Chi. DGUSA events & compare it to Smackdown yourself. @iamjericho Don't worry about the breadline Mr. Jericho, you are always welcome in Dragon Gate USA or EVOLVE. LOL I guess he's running with it. I'm sure if Jericho went to DRagon Gate, he'd see matches so similar and devoid of psychology. Like many others do, and why many like me disliked Gabe's ROH Plenty of WWE matches are devoid of psychology. I always think its funny when people dismiss every indie match as not having psychology and being about nothing but the flips. Then praise WWE which puts on a lot of two minute matches, or go apecrap over something like Randy Orton trying to blow up John Cena during a match...yeah, thats SO much better than a guy moonsaulting another guy through a table.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Nov 19, 2009 0:22:04 GMT -5
LOL I guess he's running with it. I'm sure if Jericho went to DRagon Gate, he'd see matches so similar and devoid of psychology. Like many others do, and why many like me disliked Gabe's ROH Plenty of WWE matches are devoid of psychology. I always think its funny when people dismiss every indie match as not having psychology and being about nothing but the flips. Then praise WWE which puts on a lot of two minute matches, or go apecrap over something like Randy Orton trying to blow up John Cena during a match...yeah, thats SO much better than a guy moonsaulting another guy through a table. I'll take Orton trying to blow up John Cena over one of those rapid-fire move-and-countermove (involving armdrags, headscissors, snapmares, kip-ups, etc...) sequences (that I feel goes too far in showing how closely the wrestlers are co-operating with each other) that ends in the two minute long staredown (while the wrestlers wait for the standing ovation they think they should get for it) that seem to plague indie matches...
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Post by Lancers on Nov 19, 2009 0:34:00 GMT -5
I would be more interested in what Gabe Kapler thinks of the WWE than Gabe Sapolsky.
Plus, I'm sure Jericho's reply would involve an ethnic slur at Barbarino or Epstein.
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Post by hargh on Nov 19, 2009 1:37:33 GMT -5
Memories of Eric Bischoff challenging Vince McMahon seem to rekindle, only if Bischoff was replaced by the arena janitor.
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Post by hajimenoippo on Nov 19, 2009 1:58:51 GMT -5
Plenty of WWE matches are devoid of psychology. I always think its funny when people dismiss every indie match as not having psychology and being about nothing but the flips. Then praise WWE which puts on a lot of two minute matches, or go apecrap over something like Randy Orton trying to blow up John Cena during a match...yeah, thats SO much better than a guy moonsaulting another guy through a table. I'll take Orton trying to blow up John Cena over one of those rapid-fire move-and-countermove (involving armdrags, headscissors, snapmares, kip-ups, etc...) sequences (that I feel goes too far in showing how closely the wrestlers are co-operating with each other) that ends in the two minute long staredown (while the wrestlers wait for the standing ovation they think they should get for it) that seem to plague indie matches... DAMN YOU RVD. Seriously that ended up being a RVD/Jerry Lynn match staple, the indie guys took it and place it into every match since. At least when Steve Austin and Dustin Rhodes counter wrestled they still went for the win instead of doing that pause for applause, that is what makes wrestling look fake.
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Post by Schattenjager on Nov 19, 2009 2:07:22 GMT -5
Gabe's criticism was spot and Jericho's comeback was rather weak.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Nov 19, 2009 2:10:06 GMT -5
I'll take Orton trying to blow up John Cena over one of those rapid-fire move-and-countermove (involving armdrags, headscissors, snapmares, kip-ups, etc...) sequences (that I feel goes too far in showing how closely the wrestlers are co-operating with each other) that ends in the two minute long staredown (while the wrestlers wait for the standing ovation they think they should get for it) that seem to plague indie matches... DAMN YOU RVD. Seriously that ended up being a RVD/Jerry Lynn match staple, the indie guys took it and place it into every match since. At least when Steve Austin and Dustin Rhodes counter wrestled they still went for the win instead of doing that pause for applause, that is what makes wrestling look fake. actually i think its the beyond weak looking punches, one man singled handedly beating up seven other people (some holding weapons) with his bare hands, people being blown up then coming back to life, people damn near 60 or with knees and backs so bad that one reasonably good kick will sideline them for at least a week and a half beating up people in the 20s and early 30s (aka the prime of the life), zombies and the undead, leprechauns, people giving birth to hands, people being shocked when Teddy Long makes them go one-on-one with...the Undertaker, showing a wrestler's dream sequence, and a s*** ton of other stuff that makes wrestling look fake.
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Post by Schattenjager on Nov 19, 2009 2:20:24 GMT -5
Isn't that just generalising? He hasn't claimed to be important or that he is better than the WWE. He just posted what he thought of the show like 100's of people do every week. Just because you don't care what he says doesn't mean nobody does and if people do like to listen to him so what? What's wrong with that? Persoanally I have only seen bits and bobs of his work so he isn't some "God" to me. But if he is to some people fine. And whats wrong with me not caring about him, or thinking he's full of himself, and full of s***? Point is, ask 100 people on the street if they've heard of Ring of Honor or WWE Smackdown, and you tell me what brand has more awareness. WWE must be doing something right.Travel back in time to the 1500s and ask people whether the Earth is flat or round. I bet most of the people will tell you the Earth is flat.
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Post by Error on Nov 19, 2009 2:24:32 GMT -5
I'll take Orton trying to blow up John Cena over one of those rapid-fire move-and-countermove (involving armdrags, headscissors, snapmares, kip-ups, etc...) sequences (that I feel goes too far in showing how closely the wrestlers are co-operating with each other) that ends in the two minute long staredown (while the wrestlers wait for the standing ovation they think they should get for it) that seem to plague indie matches... DAMN YOU RVD. Seriously that ended up being a RVD/Jerry Lynn match staple, the indie guys took it and place it into every match since. At least when Steve Austin and Dustin Rhodes counter wrestled they still went for the win instead of doing that pause for applause, that is what makes wrestling look fake. I HATE HATE HATE HATE that series. While I didn't like it, it workedfor RVD/Lynn since the fans started it during their matches, not RVD/Lynn begging for them. When indy guys do it and force the applause it makes me want to weep. That said, I like both ROH and WWE (well, WWE love is waning but, still) and, see them as the two separate entities they are. I will never understand why people hate on a company for trying something different or appealing to a different audience.
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Post by snugglecakes on Nov 19, 2009 3:17:22 GMT -5
And whats wrong with me not caring about him, or thinking he's full of himself, and full of s***? Point is, ask 100 people on the street if they've heard of Ring of Honor or WWE Smackdown, and you tell me what brand has more awareness. WWE must be doing something right.Travel back in time to the 1500s and ask people whether the Earth is flat or round. I bet most of the people will tell you the Earth is flat. What a ridiculous comparison.
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Post by Rorschach on Nov 19, 2009 3:22:01 GMT -5
I would be more interested in what Gabe Kapler thinks of the WWE than Gabe Sapolsky. Plus, I'm sure Jericho's reply would involve an ethnic slur at Barbarino or Epstein. Gabe Kaplan? I don't know who this Kapler is you speak of, but the Sweathogs would kick his ass if he ever tried to replace Kaplan! ;D
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Post by Schattenjager on Nov 19, 2009 3:29:13 GMT -5
Travel back in time to the 1500s and ask people whether the Earth is flat or round. I bet most of the people will tell you the Earth is flat. What a ridiculous comparison. Point being that the "Majority is Always Right" argument is really stupid. Of course more people know what the WWE is, but that does nothing to prove that the WWE's product is somehow better than that of RoH's.
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Post by Solid Stryk-Dizzle on Nov 19, 2009 3:53:34 GMT -5
Then praise WWE which puts on a lot of two minute matches, or go apecrap over something like Randy Orton trying to blow up John Cena during a match...yeah, thats SO much better than a guy moonsaulting another guy through a table. And I bet Orton trying to blow up Cena gets just as big a reaction live as the guy moonsaulting. Hell, Cena puts his arm in the air and outdoes the pop most guys get for doing all kinds of arm drags and headscissors. If the crowd is cheering. The show is working.
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Post by spagett on Nov 19, 2009 4:44:28 GMT -5
Then praise WWE which puts on a lot of two minute matches, or go apecrap over something like Randy Orton trying to blow up John Cena during a match...yeah, thats SO much better than a guy moonsaulting another guy through a table. And I bet Orton trying to blow up Cena gets just as big a reaction live as the guy moonsaulting. Hell, Cena puts his arm in the air and outdoes the pop most guys get for doing all kinds of arm drags and headscissors. If the crowd is cheering. The show is working. Not quite as simple as that. The crowds in 1995 WWF were cheering for things. The company was certainly not working. It isn't a bad thing that the live crowd is cheering but by no means does it mean everything is fine and dandy.
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Post by Solid Stryk-Dizzle on Nov 19, 2009 5:06:47 GMT -5
Ratings are decent. Attendance is also fine. It's not like their dvds aren't selling and they lost their PPV deal.
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Post by spagett on Nov 19, 2009 5:24:36 GMT -5
Ratings are decent. Attendance is also fine. It's not like their dvds aren't selling and they lost their PPV deal. Well their ratings may be fine but their PPV buyrates, ie where they make most of their money from, is waaay down on past years and with them increasing the prices I doubt that anything will improve.
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Post by Schattenjager on Nov 19, 2009 5:27:06 GMT -5
Ratings are decent. Attendance is also fine. It's not like their dvds aren't selling and they lost their PPV deal. Well their ratings may be fine but their PPV buyrates, ie where they make most of their money from, is waaay down on past years and with them increasing the prices I doubt that anything will improve. Wasn't SummerSlam's buyrate the lowest since 2004? Yeah, thing's definately are not honky dory.
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Post by Solid Stryk-Dizzle on Nov 19, 2009 5:29:45 GMT -5
You do know we're in a recession right? Not everyone is going to pay 40 something or even 30 something dollars to watch a slightly longer version of the shows they get on TV every week for free.
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Post by Schattenjager on Nov 19, 2009 5:32:12 GMT -5
You do know we're in a recession right? Not everyone is going to pay 40 something or even 30 something dollars to watch a slightly longer version of the shows they get on TV every week for free. Well you said it right there. And this is why they should try and improve their PPVs so that people would actually want to pay money to see them.
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Post by The Verdict on Nov 19, 2009 5:37:36 GMT -5
I <3 Jericho like anybody cares about his opinion(Gabe's) Well, I do, so that's one. Thanks for trying to speak for me. oh well one can try
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