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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2009 15:45:03 GMT -5
I don't tend to like insta-pushes to the main event. In a while maybe Sheamus would have grown on me, but hot shotting him like this, will likely put him in Swagger category for me I'm afraid. Still... maybe Sheamus can shut me up. STOP IT YOU'LL MAKE HIM CRY!
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Post by Insomniac on Nov 24, 2009 15:45:45 GMT -5
I'm just happy there are a couple fresh faces in the Main Event scene for a change (Kofi, Sheamus). Perhaps Sheamus is there too soon, but it's better than nothing IMO.
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Post by Above Average on Nov 24, 2009 15:46:25 GMT -5
The one thing I don't understand is the sudden rise in Sheamus hate. It may have always been there but it's certainly become far more vocal in the last 24 hours. I thought we would all be happy there was someone else in the main event for once. ): You must be new First rule of the Internet as popularity rises so does the hate Eh, can't say what other people think of a wrestler really bothers me one way or t'other.
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Post by lildude8218 on Nov 24, 2009 15:46:40 GMT -5
he can talk though. they just haven't given him that much mic time. he was very quick witted and charismatic during his WWE Universe chat before the PPV. someone said Rey Mysterio could kick his butt and his reply was "Probably. he can only kick that high"
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2009 15:48:32 GMT -5
You must be new First rule of the Internet as popularity rises so does the hate Eh, can't say what other people think of a wrestler really bothers me one way or t'other. I'm thinking more of KENN-AH-DAY But he helped that quite a bit himself
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 24, 2009 15:49:12 GMT -5
he can talk though. they just haven't given him that much mic time. he was very quick witted and charismatic during his WWE Universe chat before the PPV. someone said Rey Mysterio could kick his butt and his reply was "Probably. he can only kick that high" That's a fantastic line. He should be given the shot to say more stuff like that on TV. Maybe they worry it'd make him get face reactions, though. The crowd sometimes hates an accent, but in his case I think they might make an exception, like they did for Armando Alejandro Estradaaaaa.
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Post by AriadosMan on Nov 24, 2009 15:52:27 GMT -5
The Cena feud did absolutely nothing for Miz. It pretty much meant he had to be completely repackaged after it for anyone to take him seriously. He has only now recovered his momentum.
I can see Sheamus falling into an "Umaga" slot but not getting much farther, at least as long as there are more deserving challengers out there (Y2J, Punk).
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Post by BK From WV on Nov 24, 2009 15:54:19 GMT -5
The one thing I don't understand is the sudden rise in Sheamus hate. It may have always been there but it's certainly become far more vocal in the last 24 hours. I thought we would all be happy there was someone else in the main event for once. ): Well,I've never liked him. Like I said in my earlier post,he just bores me and I find him to be really,really bland. The reason I've never brought it up before is because there really hasn't been many Sheamus threads. Or at least that I've seen. I'm not on here everyday so I may have missed some. I'm all for pushing someone new into the main event picture. I just wish they would've went with one of the other guys.
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Post by tap on Nov 24, 2009 15:54:53 GMT -5
The feud does remind me of Umaga/Cena, but at least I can take Umaga seriously. He was this crazy Samoan guy who looked legitimately tought, dangerous. Sheamus, well, he's a pale redhead with stubby arms. I can take him seriously as a midcard monster heel like he's been booked already, but nothing past that. And at least Umaga had Estrada as well for heat. Sheamus doesn't have that.
Now, if Ventura jumped on as a mouthpiece for Sheamus, I'd bite, because Jesse's promo about how Cena is a manufactured champion was great and it would add fuel to the fire that is the "Cena goes crazy" route. Because even that promo of Cena's was a wash-rinse-repeat promo whereby he yells loudly to prove he has emotion but the actual content of what he says falls flat. I mean, it is nice to have a fresh face in the title scene, and I'm really glad it wasn't Kofi, because they should be building him to a Rumble win. I mean, in the end, the whole feud is being booked out of a corner, because Triple H/Orton/HBK vs. Cena is overplayed and they haven't built anyone credible in the midcard that could be moved up (besides Kofi, but they need to build him up even more).
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Post by Rorschach on Nov 24, 2009 15:57:14 GMT -5
he can talk though. they just haven't given him that much mic time. he was very quick witted and charismatic during his WWE Universe chat before the PPV. someone said Rey Mysterio could kick his butt and his reply was "Probably. he can only kick that high" That's a fantastic line. He should be given the shot to say more stuff like that on TV. Maybe they worry it'd make him get face reactions, though. The crowd sometimes hates an accent, but in his case I think they might make an exception, like they did for Armando Alejandro Estradaaaaa. Really? Most accents tend to get people massively over. Look at Scott Hall, Dusty Rhodes...the Rougeaus....the list goes on. It gives us fans something that stands out about the wrestler. chico. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2009 15:58:39 GMT -5
I don't read the Observer, but I agree with this assesment. There were a line of guys who could have filled the spot if they gave them the chance. While Sheamus is in that line, he's far, far in the back.
Golddust carried him through that fued because Dust is a selling machine and can make people look great. Same with Noble.
I was very surprised by him being put in the title hunt so early on, but less so when I heard all the Trips love for him.
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Post by Psychoblue on Nov 24, 2009 15:59:30 GMT -5
I won't lie, I absolutely hate the insta-push that Desmond Wolfe has gotten simply based on his name. Therefore, there's a double standard and I do see what some of you guys are coming from with Sheamus getting too much, too soon.
But still, it's quite unfair to compare him to Mordecai like Todd Martin did.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 24, 2009 15:59:52 GMT -5
That's a fantastic line. He should be given the shot to say more stuff like that on TV. Maybe they worry it'd make him get face reactions, though. The crowd sometimes hates an accent, but in his case I think they might make an exception, like they did for Armando Alejandro Estradaaaaa. Really? Most accents tend to get people massively over. Look at Scott Hall, Dusty Rhodes...the Rougeaus....the list goes on. It gives us fans something that stands out about the wrestler. chico. ;D Well, it depends. The love an accent, but some of them, they piss on the second the guy talks. It usually depends: the accent they're doing, is it of a culture that speaks English? It is? Yay! It isn't, and they're French or Spanish? BOO! Scott Hall gets a free pass since he wasn't being Cuban so much as he was being Tony Montana.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2009 16:02:27 GMT -5
I'm all for it just because there's at least some minor interest involved for me. I don't care to see any more combinations of the current raw main eventers face each other in ppv title matches, Cena, Orton, HHH etc...it's all blah.
So at least there's something.
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Post by rrm15 on Nov 24, 2009 16:03:38 GMT -5
My opinion on Sheamus and his title shot:
-As a performer, I like him, but I can see where he needs work. For one, someone on here once pointed out that he doesn't ACT intimidiating. His in ring actions speak for themselves, and I KNOW this is nit-picky, but he just looks...blank. He doesn't show emotion and its somewhere I think he can improve, and why I think he should have stayed in ECW a bit longer.
-I LOVE that they are putting someone new in the main event, so I'm not gonna complain about that at all. My whole thing though is, theres NO way at this stage in his career he's going to win. Thats not the issue, and just because you lose doesn't mean you're "burried", but Sheamus is so early in his WWE career that what is he gonna do after? I can't see him winning, but because his character at this point depends on him being a dominant monster, I can't see him doing anything besides floundering after losing to Cena. They should have waited a little while longer ideally, but lets see what comes of this. Regardless, it is a refreshing change and interesting story.
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Post by mrjl on Nov 24, 2009 17:58:54 GMT -5
The Cena feud did absolutely nothing for Miz. It pretty much meant he had to be completely repackaged after it for anyone to take him seriously. He has only now recovered his momentum. I can see Sheamus falling into an "Umaga" slot but not getting much farther, at least as long as there are more deserving challengers out there (Y2J, Punk). Actually it gave him an excuse to drop his old gimmick so people would take him seriously.
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Post by Capt. Internet Darling on Nov 24, 2009 18:00:20 GMT -5
I still can't believe that this is the same guy that came in with Washington, Tatsu and T. Reks.
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Post by mrjl on Nov 24, 2009 18:00:27 GMT -5
To be honest, I'm flashing back to the Umaga/Cena feud with Sheamus. Guy built to look like an absolute monster by tearing up jobbers and savagely taking apart a credible performer (e.g., Jeff Hardy, Shelton Benjamin), then carves himself a shot at the champion...who is, of course, John Cena. For several reasons - not the least of which was a segment where Cena laid out Umaga like he'd shot him, leading up to a Last Man Standing match - this didn't work for Umaga. I'll be interested to see how they handle it with Sheamus in comparison. Was just coming in here to say that. This is Cena/Umaga v.2.0 apparently. I'm calling it now...Sheamus goes for that bicycle kick, misses, and it's STF and goodnight. However...if the WWE were to want to actually build on the "Cena is losing his mind/getting too full of himself" idea that guys like DSR have been talking about on here....Cena NOT being able to make Sheamus tap would be the way to do it. Ref stoppage lets Cena retain the title, while at the same time, lets Sheamus continue to claim that he's never been pinned or made to submit. But this has to be a very violent, bloody match in order for that to happen. Not sure if the WWE wants to do a match like that in this new PG world. Kudos to the WWE for surprising me with the Sheamus win last night though. I thought for all the world that Kofi was going to win, and Orton was going to screw him out of the shot a la HBK/Benoit. I'm surprised no one pointed out to you that your finish to the match is impossible. It;s a table match.
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Post by AriadosMan on Nov 24, 2009 18:02:25 GMT -5
The Cena feud did absolutely nothing for Miz. It pretty much meant he had to be completely repackaged after it for anyone to take him seriously. He has only now recovered his momentum. I can see Sheamus falling into an "Umaga" slot but not getting much farther, at least as long as there are more deserving challengers out there (Y2J, Punk). Actually it gave him an excuse to drop his old gimmick so people would take him seriously. If they had booked the feud in a more creative manner than "Miz mouths off and gets crushed by Cena" he wouldn't have needed a repackaging. And Sheamus is much newer to the general audience than Miz is. Hell, Goldberg in WCW took more time getting to the main event than Sheamus has. Pushing new talent is good. Uberpushing before most people even really know them is not.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Nov 24, 2009 18:10:02 GMT -5
Actually it gave him an excuse to drop his old gimmick so people would take him seriously. If they had booked the feud in a more creative manner than "Miz mouths off and gets crushed by Cena" he wouldn't have needed a repackaging. . Does ANYONE remember the match the night after their PPV encounter? You know, the one where Miz dominated Cena. The one where the announcers put over how Miz was showing a more aggresive side, that he leanred from his previous mistakes. THAT match made Miz
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