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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 24, 2009 19:11:00 GMT -5
Same thing happened to Lesnar-Cena, though. Cena got the crap beaten out of him, was made to look like he couldn't get a win no matter what, then they just moved on. I'm sure Miz will be fine. Yeah, I am not saying Miz is screwed or anything, just that feud didn't do crap for his career. It's kind of hard to say. If nothing else, I think it did a lot to get "I'm the Miz, and I'm AWESOME!" catchphrase over, which very well could get him a faceturn down the line, with the way people eat it up. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2009 19:16:19 GMT -5
Same thing happened to Lesnar-Cena, though. Cena got the crap beaten out of him, was made to look like he couldn't get a win no matter what, then they just moved on. I'm sure Miz will be fine. Yeah, I am not saying Miz is screwed or anything, just that feud didn't do crap for his career. I would say that it did. The feud allowed him to grate on the nerves of the audience, without anyone or anything infringing on his thunder, so to speak. He was out there and he would talk up a storm. And yeah, Cena destroyed him in the feud, but they were smart enough to let him keep running his mouth and return to the ring as a strong contender. And he's pretty damn over right now, which is more than I can say for how he was before his feud with Cena happened.
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Post by AriadosMan on Nov 24, 2009 19:16:45 GMT -5
He would have gotten over better if he had the IC run he's getting now instead of getting run over by Cena so badly that he legit needed to be repackaged.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Nov 24, 2009 19:17:19 GMT -5
I like Sheamus, I like him alot, I like the fact that someone new is feuding with Cena, but......it's WAY to soon for Sheamus. Swaggar or Kofi would have been much better choices. Kofi would've been killed. He's so over against Orton, so you're just going to feed him to Cena. And Swaggar has done what exactly to make him a better choice except be around longer? He really hasn't dominated anyone, and really would need a total reboot of his current character to seem like any type of credible threat.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2009 19:20:55 GMT -5
He would have gotten over better if he had the IC run he's getting now instead of getting run over by Cena so badly that he legit needed to be repackaged. Thing is, I wouldn't call it a repackage so much as an upgrade. And it was masterfully done. They gave him a more legit look but they let his character remain the exact same. I think it's only helped him get more over.
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Post by Kash Flagg on Nov 24, 2009 19:21:05 GMT -5
Sheamus lacks mic skills, and it was apparent last night when Cena gave one of his best promos ever and Sheamus gave the generic "I'm going to beat you" promo.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 24, 2009 19:21:28 GMT -5
He would have gotten over better if he had the IC run he's getting now instead of getting run over by Cena so badly that he legit needed to be repackaged. I guess it was being repackaged, but I saw it at the time as him being written out so as to say "There, the feud is over".
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Nov 24, 2009 19:23:15 GMT -5
Sheamus lacks mic skills, and it was apparent last night when Cena gave one of his best promos ever and Sheamus gave the generic "I'm going to beat you" promo. So does most of the midcard except Kofi and Miz, and neither one would benefit from the rub of being fed to Cena.
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Post by Kash Flagg on Nov 24, 2009 19:27:32 GMT -5
Sheamus lacks mic skills, and it was apparent last night when Cena gave one of his best promos ever and Sheamus gave the generic "I'm going to beat you" promo. So does most of the midcard except Kofi and Miz, and neither one would benefit from the rub of being fed to Cena. True. I think they missed the boat on a Cena/Dibiase feud considering the Marine connection. Keep Ted heel and claiming to be the better actor and soon the better champion. Whoever was picked was going to be fed to Cena or Taker...it just came off as "thrown together". BTW, Ilike Sheamus.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2009 19:33:20 GMT -5
He would have gotten over better if he had the IC run he's getting now instead of getting run over by Cena so badly that he legit needed to be repackaged. You mean US?
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Post by Error on Nov 24, 2009 19:34:16 GMT -5
Yeah, I am not saying Miz is screwed or anything, just that feud didn't do crap for his career. I would say that it did. The feud allowed him to grate on the nerves of the audience, without anyone or anything infringing on his thunder, so to speak. He was out there and he would talk up a storm. And yeah, Cena destroyed him in the feud, but they were smart enough to let him keep running his mouth and return to the ring as a strong contender. And he's pretty damn over right now, which is more than I can say for how he was before his feud with Cena happened. See, I think he is more over because of how he "returned" more than anything else. He came back and did what he said he was going to do and, then WWE pushed him strong. Before that, the Cena feud, he came off as a gnat for lack of a better comparison, annoying as hell but, no real threat.
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Post by Kash Flagg on Nov 24, 2009 19:36:12 GMT -5
I would say that it did. The feud allowed him to grate on the nerves of the audience, without anyone or anything infringing on his thunder, so to speak. He was out there and he would talk up a storm. And yeah, Cena destroyed him in the feud, but they were smart enough to let him keep running his mouth and return to the ring as a strong contender. And he's pretty damn over right now, which is more than I can say for how he was before his feud with Cena happened. See, I think he is more over because of how he "returned" more than anything else. He came back and did what he said he was going to do and, then WWE pushed him strong. Before that, the Cena feud, he came off as a gnat for lack of a better comparison, annoying as hell but, no real threat. Which was almost a rehash of Cena/Lesnar.
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Post by motormouf on Nov 24, 2009 20:45:19 GMT -5
my thing is we had guys floating around in mid card limbo for years improving getting over etc (MVP) whjat do they fdo with them? Leave em stagnant. Then a nother hoss comes in and jumps right to the main event o Raw, after squashing a jobber? Come on
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Post by Andrew is Good on Nov 24, 2009 21:31:06 GMT -5
I'm not gonna read the whole thread, but the guy comes off as a stereotypically internet fan, and I think the bashing the guy is getting from people (myself included) is that internet fans like myself don't want to be thought of as having an opinion or feelings anywhere near this guy.
He wanted to elevate new talent, so they did, but it wasn't the one he wanted. Besides, Sheamus is extremely talented, and he's not just being pushed because he is built. Most of the FCW roster is full of guys who are built, but why would they single this guy out. Because he's got a different look (especially when he wears his casual clothing, which I think is really neat, instead of wearing a suit, he just wears a sweater), he's talented (I've been watching him since I saw the first FCW episode, and have been impressed ever since) and he always stands out when you watch the show.
Vince has a size fetish, yeah, I will admit he does, but Sheamus is being pushed because he's good. His series with Goldust on ECW really helped prove that to a larger audience, I'm guessing he didn't watch that.
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Post by Lancers on Nov 25, 2009 2:01:21 GMT -5
My three cents on the matter....
When it pertains to internet wrestling news sites, I say let them interject their opinions. I mean, it's not like a third of the crap they report is actually gonna happen. Plus, if this is their actual job, you could understand why they're so miserable so let them vent.
Now I should note that I don't go on news sites...not because I don't like them, but because most of them have spyware and other viruses. It's the equivalent of going to a senior citizen retirement community in Florida. If you don't know what that means, google "STD and the elderly"...but don't click on Images, unless you're in to that kind of thing.
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Post by Cavs for Mavs Mafia on Nov 25, 2009 2:14:19 GMT -5
My three cents on the matter.... When it pertains to internet wrestling news sites, I say let them interject their opinions. I mean, it's not like a third of the crap they report is actually gonna happen. Plus, if this is their actual job, you could understand why they're so miserable so let them vent. Now I should note that I don't go on news sites...not because I don't like them, but because most of them have spyware and other viruses. It's the equivalent of going to a senior citizen retirement community in Florida. If you don't know what that means, google "STD and the elderly"...but don't click on Images, unless you're in to that kind of thing. Click here 2 C nud pix of Stephanie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Magnum DA on Nov 25, 2009 2:14:41 GMT -5
Todd Martin isn't a horrible writer. I think his work is better than the folks from 411Mania and PWTorch.
That said, there's nothing wrong with a new, fresh contender that will certainly benefit from the exposure of headlining a PPV. TLC is shaping up to be a decent PPV with some good matches, so even if this doesn't deliver, there's plenty to enjoy on this card so far.
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Post by snugglecakes on Nov 25, 2009 3:11:46 GMT -5
Todd Martin isn't a horrible writer. I think his work is better than the folks from 411Mania and PWTorch. That's not saying much, the reporters on the Torch and 411 are abysmal. Martin is still terrible.
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Post by Big DSR Energy on Nov 25, 2009 3:26:18 GMT -5
This guy's aware that the guy he's comparing Sheamus to, Mordecai, went on to become the more improved Kevin Thorn, yes? Not a good comparison, but then again there's really nobody to compare Sheamus to. He's just...Sheamus-y. I wouldn't be opposed to WWE giving Thorn another shot, if he's still in shape and working out there. I think he was a good wrestler, even if he wasn't like amazing. It's funny, when he got fired, he actually had a SORT OF similar look to Sheamus, but he couldn't pull it off. I don't really get the Mordecai reference, anyway. Sure, they use the same move, but it's not really like they hotshotted Mordecai. Having, like, a feud with Bob Holly isn't exactly main eventing. Well, the writer wasn't saying that Sheamus and Mordecai had/have the same storylines. He was simply stating that, in his opinion, both men had a distinctive look, but not much else to offer.
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Post by celticjobber on Nov 25, 2009 4:21:12 GMT -5
I actually don't see a problem with Todd's assessment of Sheamus. Of all the "new" guys on the
roster, he's probably the last one I would've thought would get a big push. I see nothing good about him. He doesn't have a "main event" look, I've seen no signs of charisma, and from what I've seen he's not all that great in the ring.
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