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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 24, 2009 18:13:16 GMT -5
If they had booked the feud in a more creative manner than "Miz mouths off and gets crushed by Cena" he wouldn't have needed a repackaging. . Does ANYONE remember the match the night after their PPV encounter? You know, the one where Miz dominated Cena. The one where the announcers put over how Miz was showing a more aggresive side, that he leanred from his previous mistakes. THAT match made Miz I think it certainly helped. I wouldn't be shocked if it was like where Jericho had a mini-feud with Triple H, but usually didn't come out on top, in like '99 or '00. It didn't quite bring him up to the main event or anything, but it was a tryout of sorts, to see if he could hang if he did get that far. I think they succeeded in showing he can show a mean streak if he wants to, and that he looked credible. So, down the line, I think he's got a better shot of being booked in those big matches than he did before.
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Post by Rorschach on Nov 24, 2009 18:15:32 GMT -5
Was just coming in here to say that. This is Cena/Umaga v.2.0 apparently. I'm calling it now...Sheamus goes for that bicycle kick, misses, and it's STF and goodnight. However...if the WWE were to want to actually build on the "Cena is losing his mind/getting too full of himself" idea that guys like DSR have been talking about on here....Cena NOT being able to make Sheamus tap would be the way to do it. Ref stoppage lets Cena retain the title, while at the same time, lets Sheamus continue to claim that he's never been pinned or made to submit. But this has to be a very violent, bloody match in order for that to happen. Not sure if the WWE wants to do a match like that in this new PG world. Kudos to the WWE for surprising me with the Sheamus win last night though. I thought for all the world that Kofi was going to win, and Orton was going to screw him out of the shot a la HBK/Benoit. I'm surprised no one pointed out to you that your finish to the match is impossible. It;s a table match. Ref stoppage is still possible in a table match, and Cena snapping and locking the STF on Sheamus could still happen. I mean, it's VERY unlikely, but possible. Still though...I had forgotten that when I posted originally. ;D
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Post by psychokiller on Nov 24, 2009 18:25:17 GMT -5
The only thing I agree with really is that one of the other guys should have gotten the top spot first, but I like what i've seen of Sheamus so far so i'm not going to complain. I just wish they would have waited a while longer before putting him in the top spot. Because we all know that Cena is going over in their match. I'd be very shocked if Sheamus actually wins the title. Then again who would have ever thought Bradshaw of all people would have become a World Champion.
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Post by Cavs for Mavs Mafia on Nov 24, 2009 18:26:15 GMT -5
From this week's RAW recap on the Observer site: What the hell is his problem? Did he even watch ECW where he had a very entertaining feud with Goldust, restoring the veteran's credibility and coming off strong at the same time? I'm glad I'm not the only who thinks Sheamus is just another useless generic hoss. Even just to feed him to Cena is an insult to Cena. At least Umaga was beating up mid-carders and not jobbers. (Oh, and Umaga had talent and a fairly unique style and look.) Yes, I've seen his work on ECW. It could have just as been Stintsky, Albert, or Knox, and they all had a lot more "charisma."
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 24, 2009 18:29:15 GMT -5
The only thing I agree with really is that one of the other guys should have gotten the top spot first, but I like what i've seen of Sheamus so far so i'm not going to complain. I just wish they would have waited a while longer before putting him in the top spot. Because we all know that Cena is going over in their match. I'd be very shocked if Sheamus actually wins the title. Then again who would have ever thought Bradshaw of all people would have become a World Champion. Excellent point. That being said, I don't think most people would of guessed Eddie would of won the belt, either, since he was a perennial IC/tag title contender, rather than a main eventer, but sometimes they make the jump. Of course, both were veterans already, but point taken all the same. I think Sheamus will probably get a strong showing. I wonder if we'll get Sheamus being slammed into the table, or something more like a "fluke", with Cena shoving him off the apron and into the table, but not soundly defeating him.
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Post by The Ichi on Nov 24, 2009 18:29:26 GMT -5
I LIKE Sheamus a lot, but I wouldn't want anybody pushed THIS fast no matter how good they are. Then again, I've always had an oldschool mentality when it comes to pushes. I like to see someone built up for a while.
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Post by Rorschach on Nov 24, 2009 18:31:36 GMT -5
The only thing I agree with really is that one of the other guys should have gotten the top spot first, but I like what i've seen of Sheamus so far so i'm not going to complain. I just wish they would have waited a while longer before putting him in the top spot. Because we all know that Cena is going over in their match. I'd be very shocked if Sheamus actually wins the title. Then again who would have ever thought Bradshaw of all people would have become a World Champion. Excellent point. That being said, I don't think most people would of guessed Eddie would of won the belt, either, since he was a perennial IC/tag title contender, rather than a main eventer, but sometimes they make the jump. Of course, both were veterans already, but point taken all the same. I think Sheamus will probably get a strong showing. I wonder if we'll get Sheamus being slammed into the table, or something more like a "fluke", with Cena shoving him off the apron and into the table, but not soundly defeating him. Maybe Sheamus goes for that kick, misses it, and flies out of the ring, and through a table? That way, he could say that Cena didn't beat him...his own momentum did. And he could challenge for the belt again, maybe in a Belfast Brawl? Something more to his own skills and abilities, and where a fluke table spot won't be his undoing?
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 24, 2009 18:34:32 GMT -5
Excellent point. That being said, I don't think most people would of guessed Eddie would of won the belt, either, since he was a perennial IC/tag title contender, rather than a main eventer, but sometimes they make the jump. Of course, both were veterans already, but point taken all the same. I think Sheamus will probably get a strong showing. I wonder if we'll get Sheamus being slammed into the table, or something more like a "fluke", with Cena shoving him off the apron and into the table, but not soundly defeating him. Maybe Sheamus goes for that kick, misses it, and flies out of the ring, and through a table? That way, he could say that Cena didn't beat him...his own momentum did. And he could challenge for the belt again, maybe in a Belfast Brawl? Something more to his own skills and abilities, and where a fluke table spot won't be his undoing? Actually, unless they change the rules or ignore them(both things they've done before), you can't put yourself through the table to lose. They have to at least play some part in it. I remember this because Matt Hardy broke one himself in a tag match vs the Dudleyz, so that they could not use it to put Jeff through, and the match continued.
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Post by Ragnal on Nov 24, 2009 18:35:33 GMT -5
This guy's aware that the guy he's comparing Sheamus to, Mordecai, went on to become the more improved Kevin Thorn, yes?
Not a good comparison, but then again there's really nobody to compare Sheamus to. He's just...Sheamus-y.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Nov 24, 2009 18:38:50 GMT -5
Alot of you guys are no better then you claim Vince to be. If this kid was 8 inches shorter and 50 pounds lighter, their wouldn't be any talk about a generic hoss. It's stunning how people were dying for something different, then shit all over it because it's not exactly how they would have had it. Give this kid a chance, and let's all see what he can do before we blast the shit out of him because he's not everything everyone wants.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 24, 2009 18:39:31 GMT -5
This guy's aware that the guy he's comparing Sheamus to, Mordecai, went on to become the more improved Kevin Thorn, yes? Not a good comparison, but then again there's really nobody to compare Sheamus to. He's just...Sheamus-y. I wouldn't be opposed to WWE giving Thorn another shot, if he's still in shape and working out there. I think he was a good wrestler, even if he wasn't like amazing. It's funny, when he got fired, he actually had a SORT OF similar look to Sheamus, but he couldn't pull it off. I don't really get the Mordecai reference, anyway. Sure, they use the same move, but it's not really like they hotshotted Mordecai. Having, like, a feud with Bob Holly isn't exactly main eventing.
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Post by Ryushinku on Nov 24, 2009 18:39:48 GMT -5
One thing I can say with almost total confidence is that he and Cena will have a good match out of this at least. Just the kind of big guy Cena loves to play babyface to.
Much like Kofi at the moment, the next few weeks are going to be crucial to Sheamus's credibility.
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Post by Ralnathane on Nov 24, 2009 18:45:55 GMT -5
Did Sheamus use the Irish Curse on his dog or something? Hey... what did you mean by Irish Curse? If you meant lobbed a case of Guinness at his head, I have no choice to lol. I am Irish ya know.
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Post by Kroot bringing Justice on Nov 24, 2009 18:46:37 GMT -5
I like Sheamus, I like him alot, I like the fact that someone new is feuding with Cena, but......it's WAY to soon for Sheamus. Swaggar or Kofi would have been much better choices.
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Post by Error on Nov 24, 2009 18:46:39 GMT -5
If they had booked the feud in a more creative manner than "Miz mouths off and gets crushed by Cena" he wouldn't have needed a repackaging. . Does ANYONE remember the match the night after their PPV encounter? You know, the one where Miz dominated Cena. The one where the announcers put over how Miz was showing a more aggresive side, that he leanred from his previous mistakes. THAT match made Miz No people remember that he lost 4 straight to Cena and, his RAW job before sneaking his way back in.
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Post by Corre.222 on Nov 24, 2009 18:50:56 GMT -5
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Post by AriadosMan on Nov 24, 2009 18:52:28 GMT -5
Does ANYONE remember the match the night after their PPV encounter? You know, the one where Miz dominated Cena. The one where the announcers put over how Miz was showing a more aggresive side, that he leanred from his previous mistakes. THAT match made Miz No people remember that he lost 4 straight to Cena and, his RAW job before sneaking his way back in. All I remember was Miz losing over and over again. It wasn't like the "mutual sign of respect" handshake that Matt Morgan got from Kurt Angle at BFG. It was "here's this guy who talks a big game but can't seal the deal". And THAT will haunt Miz when/if he finally gets another ME push unless WWE waits 5 years on it and everybody forgets the whole stupid Miz/Cena feud. Feuds that consist of one guy winning ALL the matches never work and cannot be defended on any level.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 24, 2009 18:55:09 GMT -5
No people remember that he lost 4 straight to Cena and, his RAW job before sneaking his way back in. All I remember was Miz losing over and over again. It wasn't like the "mutual sign of respect" handshake that Matt Morgan got from Kurt Angle at BFG. It was "here's this guy who talks a big game but can't seal the deal". And THAT will haunt Miz when/if he finally gets another ME push unless WWE waits 5 years on it and everybody forgets the whole stupid Miz/Cena feud. Feuds that consist of one guy winning ALL the matches never work and cannot be defended on any level. Same thing happened to Lesnar-Cena, though. Cena got the crap beaten out of him, was made to look like he couldn't get a win no matter what, then they just moved on. I'm sure Miz will be fine.
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Post by Dub H on Nov 24, 2009 19:02:15 GMT -5
All I remember was Miz losing over and over again. It wasn't like the "mutual sign of respect" handshake that Matt Morgan got from Kurt Angle at BFG. It was "here's this guy who talks a big game but can't seal the deal". And THAT will haunt Miz when/if he finally gets another ME push unless WWE waits 5 years on it and everybody forgets the whole stupid Miz/Cena feud. Feuds that consist of one guy winning ALL the matches never work and cannot be defended on any level. Same thing happened to Lesnar-Cena, though. Cena got the crap beaten out of him, was made to look like he couldn't get a win no matter what, then they just moved on. I'm sure Miz will be fine. Exatcly,i still thing Cena Feud is the only reason he has so much Heat Could they have pushed him?Yes Did it leave a huge scar on his career?no
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Post by Error on Nov 24, 2009 19:06:19 GMT -5
All I remember was Miz losing over and over again. It wasn't like the "mutual sign of respect" handshake that Matt Morgan got from Kurt Angle at BFG. It was "here's this guy who talks a big game but can't seal the deal". And THAT will haunt Miz when/if he finally gets another ME push unless WWE waits 5 years on it and everybody forgets the whole stupid Miz/Cena feud. Feuds that consist of one guy winning ALL the matches never work and cannot be defended on any level. Same thing happened to Lesnar-Cena, though. Cena got the crap beaten out of him, was made to look like he couldn't get a win no matter what, then they just moved on. I'm sure Miz will be fine. Yeah, I am not saying Miz is screwed or anything, just that feud didn't do crap for his career.
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