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Post by Drillbit Taylor on Dec 23, 2009 3:24:53 GMT -5
I was thinking of something Similar. But with people 7 and up AKA first few Jurry members. Because you can still get people like Greg. Compromise?.... "Early Outers vs Later Outers"? Sounds good. ;D
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Post by Threadkiller [Classic] on Dec 23, 2009 3:55:32 GMT -5
I think Russell has a distinct advantage this coming season due to the fact that his season was airing back in the States while he was playing this next season, so none of the new competitors had heard of him or knew what his style of play was like. Although being placed on the villains side was probably a clue. But still, he has a kind of advantage by being an unknown variable amongst the all-stars.
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Post by Drillbit Taylor on Dec 23, 2009 3:58:55 GMT -5
I think Russell has a distinct advantage this coming season due to the fact that his season was airing back in the States while he was playing this next season, so none of the new competitors had heard of him or knew what his style of play was like. Although being placed on the villains side was probably a clue. But still, he has a kind of advantage by being an unknown variable amongst the all-stars. But he could be at a disadvantage too. They filmed kinda close to each other. Did he have enough time to full recover?
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Post by Allison Reynolds on Dec 23, 2009 5:14:04 GMT -5
I think he's at an advantage too. Looking at Russell, he seems to be the least affected by the conditions, in fact it just took out alot of his extra body weight, perhaps making him actually healthier! I do see Russell going far again, they pimped him as greatest survivor villain EVER! Maybe Survivor Samoa was just a preview for things to come...? I think so. Hopefully Russell gets another chance, I'd love to see how he'd play the next time out. Would he still be lucky with immunity idols? Will there even BE hidden idols? I can see new rules coming into play due to it or the ending of them all together. Not sure how much they really even add or take away from the game in the first place. Also, it'd be interesting to see a Survivor All Star type season consisting of people who got voted off within the first 2-4 votes. The ones that for whatever reason, never got the chance to stick around. Maybe a fluke accident victim like black Russel from this year, or anyone else who had a bad injury that wasn't something like near heart attack. I don't however want people who just couldn't hack being there and asked to be voted out, if any of those fit the criteria. I'd love to hear what you all think of my idea. I do like this idea, because it's like, what the people who got eliminated in the beginning, could have done, if they stayed longer. I see character's like Silas from Africa, who was masterminding the game pre-merge, but got screwed over by a producer twist. Or what it seemed like Marisa from Samoa, could have achieved if she wasn't so upfront against Russell. She seemed like a smart player. It just interests me about the what "could have happened" which makes the idea interesting. EDIT: Btw, I agree again with threadkiller, about Natalie deserving.
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Post by Threadkiller [Classic] on Dec 23, 2009 5:41:25 GMT -5
Hopefully Russell gets another chance, I'd love to see how he'd play the next time out. Would he still be lucky with immunity idols? Will there even BE hidden idols? I can see new rules coming into play due to it or the ending of them all together. Not sure how much they really even add or take away from the game in the first place. Also, it'd be interesting to see a Survivor All Star type season consisting of people who got voted off within the first 2-4 votes. The ones that for whatever reason, never got the chance to stick around. Maybe a fluke accident victim like black Russel from this year, or anyone else who had a bad injury that wasn't something like near heart attack. I don't however want people who just couldn't hack being there and asked to be voted out, if any of those fit the criteria. I'd love to hear what you all think of my idea. I do like this idea, because it's like, what the people who got eliminated in the beginning, could have done, if they stayed longer. I see character's like Silas from Africa, who was masterminding the game pre-merge, but got screwed over by a producer twist. Or what it seemed like Marisa from Samoa, could have achieved if she wasn't so upfront against Russell. She seemed like a smart player. It just interests me about the what "could have happened" which makes the idea interesting. EDIT: Btw, I agree again with threadkiller, about Natalie deserving. That's my problem with recent seasons, as a person who adores the show for its strategic elements. Good strategy is difficult if elements of the game a) are left to chance or b) variable. I suppose those are both flip sides of the same coin. That said, players need certain things about the game (rules, facts, etc.) that they can always count on. Too many twists and it becomes less a game about strategy and who deserves it, and more a game of chance and who just happens to be in the right place at the right time. A great strategist makes their win seem inevitable (like Richard Hatch, for instance), as opposed to a consequence of random circumstances. That's why I hated the hidden immunity idol (at first, until Yul used it so brilliantly in Cook Islands), and twists like "Hey, I know you just won the immunity challenge and all, but BOTH tribes are going to go to tribal tonight." I know it's to keep from a lame pagonging and to even out the sides, but again, contestants need to count on the fact that if they win immunity they WON'T GO TO TRIBAL COUNCIL. I mean, seriously, if that most basic tenet of the game is broken, it takes the merit out of the strategic element of the game to the point where strategists who'd get weeded out in other seasons make it to the end. Earlier Survivor (basic rules) > Current Survivor (random, variable elements) But hey, it's still better than No Survivor. And I have high hopes for this season, since it's some of the great strategists and combustible personalities in the game's history. BTW: Random observation, but I think this is the first season in the show's history that didn't have a Family Reward challenge, where the Survivors get to hang with family members, etc. I also think this is the first season where the finalists didn't give closing statements. I also think this may be the first (or one of the few) seasons without the car reward challenge (with the subsequent car curse, where the reward winner never winds up winning the game). While I can attribute the latter to a falling out with a sponsor, I wonder why there was no family visit or closing arguments? They both enhance the drama/quality of the season, in my opinion, so I don't know why they'd consider them expendable. By the same token, I can sort of see why they cut back on reward challenges, but I still miss them. I always want more of those. The challenges are always so intense. That's one of my favorite aspects of the game, the creativity of the challenges themselves. I always wished I could be on the show, but I know my panic disorder would disqualify me. And I KNOW if I made it that far I'd just wind up blowing the final immunity challenge (not that I would have won any preceding challenges, mind you), since it almost always has to do with balance or endurance (except that awesome ball rolling challenge from last season). Still, how awesome would it be to have a 'Crapper on Survivor?
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Post by King Boo on Dec 23, 2009 18:07:22 GMT -5
Survivor fans sure have changed since Season 1. Remember when how Richard Hatch was hated for daring to even have a strategy? I always liked Richard, personally. I think he was having fun with it while being confident in his abilities. Russell strikes me as the same way, though maybe a bit more brash. I never hated Russell this season though, not once. I also like Coach, who is so freaking hated, because I think he's so hilarious and ultimately harmless in terms of game play. I'm probably the only Survivor fan that's {Spoiler}excited at the prospect of him being on season 20. Well, me and Probst. Also, I have no desire at all to see {Spoiler}Rupert Gravedigger James JT Tyson Jerri Candice Amanda Parvati again EVER. Especially those last two. Why couldn't {Spoiler}Brendan from Tocantins be an option for the heroes tribe? He's one of my favorite players ever. Wow that's a lot of spoiler tags.
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Post by Shy Guy on Dec 23, 2009 18:48:22 GMT -5
i had to google three people from the heros\villian list
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Post by Allison Reynolds on Dec 23, 2009 20:26:42 GMT -5
Survivor fans sure have changed since Season 1. Remember when how Richard Hatch was hated for daring to even have a strategy? I also like Coach, who is so freaking hated, because I think he's so hilarious and ultimately harmless in terms of game play. I'm probably the only Survivor fan that's {Spoiler}excited at the prospect of him being on season 20. Well, me and Probst. Incorrect. I too enjoy Coach. Great character.
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Post by Impact Zone's #1 DUMMY...YEAH on Dec 24, 2009 1:30:28 GMT -5
I think Russell has a distinct advantage this coming season due to the fact that his season was airing back in the States while he was playing this next season, so none of the new competitors had heard of him or knew what his style of play was like. Although being placed on the villains side was probably a clue. But still, he has a kind of advantage by being an unknown variable amongst the all-stars. But he could be at a disadvantage too. They filmed kinda close to each other. Did he have enough time to full recover? IMO, if Rupert had enough time to recover between Pearl Islands and the first All-Stars season, then Russell will too. Anyone else disappointed they don't have Yao Man on the list of favorites? I think it's safe to say he was one of the all-time best, but maybe he declined the offer.
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Post by King Boo on Dec 25, 2009 13:26:13 GMT -5
I also like Coach, who is so freaking hated, because I think he's so hilarious and ultimately harmless in terms of game play. I'm probably the only Survivor fan that's {Spoiler}excited at the prospect of him being on season 20. Well, me and Probst. Incorrect. I too enjoy Coach. Great character. AWESOME. Make that me, you and Probst then heh.
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Post by Shy Guy on Dec 25, 2009 13:53:58 GMT -5
But he could be at a disadvantage too. They filmed kinda close to each other. Did he have enough time to full recover? IMO, if Rupert had enough time to recover between Pearl Islands and the first All-Stars season, then Russell will too. Anyone else disappointed they don't have Yao Man on the list of favorites? I think it's safe to say he was one of the all-time best, but maybe he declined the offer. i was hoping that crazy Coi Boi, or whoever came back
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Post by MGH on Dec 25, 2009 13:55:15 GMT -5
IMO, if Rupert had enough time to recover between Pearl Islands and the first All-Stars season, then Russell will too. Anyone else disappointed they don't have Yao Man on the list of favorites? I think it's safe to say he was one of the all-time best, but maybe he declined the offer. i was hoping that crazy Coi Boi, or whoever came back That guy was a loon man.
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Post by King Boo on Dec 25, 2009 14:09:43 GMT -5
IMO, if Rupert had enough time to recover between Pearl Islands and the first All-Stars season, then Russell will too. Anyone else disappointed they don't have Yao Man on the list of favorites? I think it's safe to say he was one of the all-time best, but maybe he declined the offer. i was hoping that crazy Coi Boi, or whoever came back Yao was on Micronesia though and for the most part, when people are reaching their third time, I don't want to see them again. Unless I really like them and while I like Yao, I don't need to see him again. I'd rather see someone I haven't seen in a while. Or Brendan. Cao Boi was nutso. He would have driven me crazy.
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Post by Dirty Hazy on Jan 11, 2010 13:29:18 GMT -5
New season start sometime this month?
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Post by MGH on Jan 11, 2010 14:27:12 GMT -5
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