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Post by Chuckie Finster on Jan 8, 2010 22:16:34 GMT -5
So Carroll will be at Seattle for 3 years, get tired of it and want to go back to college. And I'll bet money that the school that lures him back to college will be Miami (private school with lots of money, can get away with minor recruiting violations like USC). He gets the biggest college contract ever from them, and them former players and fans come out of the shadows to celebrate the return of The U.
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Post by The Genesis of KoOS on Jan 8, 2010 22:33:29 GMT -5
Clay Matthews has replaced Lance Briggs on the NFC Pro Bowl roster.
Randy Moss and Brandon Meriweather have also been added to the Pro Bowl roster.
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Post by RI Richmark on Jan 8, 2010 22:35:41 GMT -5
Quite a bit of revisionist history on Pete Carroll. I personally can't stand the guy, but his tenure in New England ended suspiciously like Bill Parcells; namely in the middle of a controversy with management and the front office being meddling and poor drafting/moves in free agency (que Parcell's "Groceries" presser). He got the team to the playoffs twice and had a bad year, but the relationship with the FO was not getting repaired at that point in time. He finished 33-31, nothing amazing, but he wasn't as bas as it seems to be made out to be. To be blunt, the Patriots had a subpar (at best) front office at that time and Bob Kraft behaved like Dan Snyder at times. They chased coaches away who wanted a hand in personnel decisions (or the ability to not conform to what the FO wanted as far as roster goes) until they hit a home run with the Pioli/Belichick combo. This isn't Bobby Petrino, although it certainly isn't Vince Lombardi. While it is true that the front office, led by Bobby Grier, botched a lot of draft picks, Carroll is not blameless. Sure, he had a tough act to follow in Parcells, but I don't think the players ever respected him. The players made a ton of mistakes on and off the field that they never made under Parcells. I don't hate Carroll. He's a nice guy. But he may have been to nice for the NFL. I'm happy for his success at USC. I think his enthusiasm and energy is better suited for college kids than millionaire professionals. There are plenty of reasons that that no college coach in recent memory has succeeded in the NFL and I think it might be best for Pete to stay in the college ranks.
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Post by BRV on Jan 8, 2010 23:30:36 GMT -5
Quite a bit of revisionist history on Pete Carroll. I personally can't stand the guy, but his tenure in New England ended suspiciously like Bill Parcells; namely in the middle of a controversy with management and the front office being meddling and poor drafting/moves in free agency (que Parcell's "Groceries" presser). He got the team to the playoffs twice and had a bad year, but the relationship with the FO was not getting repaired at that point in time. He finished 33-31, nothing amazing, but he wasn't as bas as it seems to be made out to be. To be blunt, the Patriots had a subpar (at best) front office at that time and Bob Kraft behaved like Dan Snyder at times. They chased coaches away who wanted a hand in personnel decisions (or the ability to not conform to what the FO wanted as far as roster goes) until they hit a home run with the Pioli/Belichick combo. This isn't Bobby Petrino, although it certainly isn't Vince Lombardi. The biggest problem that Carroll had with the Patriots is that he was more of a doormat than head coach. After Bill Parcells left, the Patriots players felt a bit of an emotional release, and Pete Carroll was the one who needed to keep them in line. He didn't, which is why we had incidents like the Drew Bledsoe crowd-surfing incident or Ty Law at the Foxy Lady. Carroll had no control of his players, and it showed on the field. (fast-forward to the 3:10 mark) Also, the Carroll Patriots had a nasty tendency to completely fall apart late in the season. The 1997 Patriots started off 4-0, they finished 10-6. The 1998 Patriots started off 4-1, they finished 9-7. The 1999 Patriots started off 4-0, they finished 8-8. (His 1994 Jets started 6-4, finished 6-10) These aren't coincidences. And it's not like he walked into a bad situation. He inherited the defending AFC Champions. Maybe he's learned from his time at USC, but from an outsider's perspective, that was just another case of the inmates running the asylum. He just happened to be a great recruiter with the best college football system in California.
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Post by The Line on Jan 9, 2010 1:07:07 GMT -5
This is all very interesting. Like I said, I HATE lil' Jimmy Mora as a head coach. The day I found out he was Mikey H's successor, it was my worst day as a Seahawks fan. I was hoping to be surprised and have the Seahawks turn a good year in spite of him, but that was too much to ask for.
Now, Pete, on the other hand, is interesting. I hate him on the basis that I go to another Pac 10 school, so everyone in the Pac 10 hates USC more than just about any other school. But, I'm not too optimistic. More so than I was about Mora(far more), but still not even an iota as excited about the Seahawks prospects in 2010 as I am about Seattle's other major sports team(but that might be because I'm a baseball guy far more than I am a football guy).
Seattle just needs to make their #7 pick mean something. Hopefully, we won't be getting that good of a pick for a while.
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Post by Grendel on Jan 9, 2010 1:29:05 GMT -5
I'll never support another NFL team besides Oakland, but if Al Davis fires Tom Cable (which is extremely likely, though not a sure thing) then it's just one step closer to just me not giving a crap anymore about this franchise. Which is pretty sad considering Tom Cable is not a very good coach, but he's not an idiot either. He understands how a team is supposed to function and that it's supposed to begin with the trenches and stability, but he has no (influental) say in personnel decisions. He's aware of our defensive issues, but he and John Marshall are hardly ever allowed to blitz or mix up thing defensively. He understands that Russell is a colossal bust and how much better the team plays without him. And yet he may very well end up being fired because he clearly didn't want to keep playing Jamarcus for weeks, when just moving forward from him would be the best thing for this team. He is not without his faults. He's not a very good playcaller (and has expressed openness to bringing an offensive coordinator to manage those duties if he stays), he couldn't commit to the run in half our games despite having a trio of Michael Bush, Darren McFadden and Justin Fargas. He's basically a very poor man's version of Andy Reid. Not to mention the Randy Hanson/abuse allegations. That said, all the players have stood up for Cable this last week when asked if he should return. Robert Gallery, Nnamndi Asomugha, Richard Seymour, Zach Miller and every other player backs Cable and says he should be given a fair shake for another year. If there is one thing I like about Cable, it's that he's a great motivator and the team plays hard for him. We were far more competitive when Gradowski and Frye came in, and it's not a coincidence. Cable knows this is a QB-driven league and as the games against the Bengals, Steelers and Broncos showed, when you have good (or even decent) quarterback play even the Raiders can be competitive. But it's harder and harder to care about what goes in with Al Davis land. He has goons like John Herrera working for him who badmouth Rich Gannon when he's giving honest critiques, or like recently, offers to help in the organization. He drafts players on measurable and potentials instead of whether they can produce in the system or improve a need. He handicaps his coaches gameplans and schemes, and when Russell went off to Vegas he obviously lied and said he was there with a "team official" for damage control. When John Gruden started getting credit for turning this team around in the 2000's, Davis traded him away for not having HIM being the reason for success. If Cable is let go to only start over again I'll strongly consider just not even bothering to care about the team, as it'd be a waste of my team. It's not like St. Louis or Detroit where ownership could change, GM's can come and go and coaches are allowed to do as they please. As long as Al Davis had the final say this team will never be seriously competitive. I feel your pain. The 80's for me were a personal hell with the Packer organization, which didn't put out a decent product from the early 70's until the early 90's. It wasn't until they made big changes in their front office that they started putting a decent team together. You think Al Davis' family can get together and have an intervention for him? For his own good?
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Post by Drink Up Me Cider on Jan 9, 2010 8:04:04 GMT -5
Time to get tense for a lot of the fans on this board today. Thankfully my own personal hell isn't till tomorrow so I can be neutral for now, though if slap nuts Rex Ryan wins his ego is going to be Fredo Favre levels. So here's some motivational music for two team's last meaningful game for nine months. ;D
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Post by MGH on Jan 9, 2010 10:06:23 GMT -5
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Post by Drink Up Me Cider on Jan 9, 2010 10:13:26 GMT -5
Just look at how bad they were with the 'Painter' at QB. Also, this means the Favremaniacs won't be running wild at this announcement. ;D
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Post by BR329 on Jan 9, 2010 10:37:24 GMT -5
As a Notre Dame fan the fact that Carroll is gone makes my year! Have fun coaching to a couple 7-9 seasons in Seattle!
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jan 9, 2010 10:46:20 GMT -5
This is all very interesting. Like I said, I HATE lil' Jimmy Mora as a head coach. The day I found out he was Mikey H's successor, it was my worst day as a Seahawks fan. I was hoping to be surprised and have the Seahawks turn a good year in spite of him, but that was too much to ask for. Now, Pete, on the other hand, is interesting. I hate him on the basis that I go to another Pac 10 school, so everyone in the Pac 10 hates USC more than just about any other school. But, I'm not too optimistic. More so than I was about Mora(far more), but still not even an iota as excited about the Seahawks prospects in 2010 as I am about Seattle's other major sports team(but that might be because I'm a baseball guy far more than I am a football guy). Seattle just needs to make their #7 pick mean something. Hopefully, we won't be getting that good of a pick for a while. Even before Carroll became a candidate I heard a lot of rumblings that the owner wants to bring Taylor Mays (who is from Seattle) back home. With Petey on board, Mays may become the obvious choice. Of course, with Julius Jones as your RB CJ Spiller is hard to pass up.
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Post by MGH on Jan 9, 2010 11:17:10 GMT -5
Heading over to a friend's place for a playoff party this afternoon, so I want to go ahead and throw these out now:
Jets 16 - Bengals 21 (Sanchez throws 3 picks, 2 backbreaking ones) Eagles 23 - Cowboys 14
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Post by kickassJP on Jan 9, 2010 12:49:08 GMT -5
I'm picking the Cowboys to win, obviously, and then i'm going to go with the Bengals as well. For tomorrow, I pick Green Bay and the Pats.
Go Cowboys!
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Post by BRV on Jan 9, 2010 13:17:34 GMT -5
In the aftermath of the Seahawks hiring Pete Carroll, a person by the name of "Redskins Insider" cracked a joke on Twitter, saying "They should just call it the Rooney Suggestion". It's a crack on "The Rooney Rule", which states that an NFL franchise must interview at least one minority candidate before hiring a head coach. But what's more insulting to minorities? Interviewing a minority candidate that you have absolutely no interest in hiring, and you're only interviewing this person in order to appease a rule, or simply not interviewing the candidate at all? If Bill Belichick suddenly resigned tomorrow, and the Patriots had announced that they were going to hand the team to offensive line coach Dante Scarnecchia, whats the purpose of calling up Raheem Morris for an interview, when you have absolutely no intentions of hiring him? Randy Moss and Brandon Meriweather have also been added to the Pro Bowl roster. This comes as a shock. I don't know how Brandon Meriweather made it in. I'm sure there are plenty more deserving candidates, because Meriweather hasn't even had the best season for a safety on his team. That honor goes to Brandon McGowan, who has been a pleasant surprise on both special teams and shutting down the opposing teams' tight ends and slot receivers.
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Post by Jay Carroll on Jan 9, 2010 13:27:28 GMT -5
Mainly because I stopped caring about the Rams weeks ago until the NFL draft, I missed this tidbit: Marc Bulger is considering retiring, sources tell the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. Where the snork is the Tenay-West high five gif. when I want it? I'm not saying Marc Bulger is/was a horrid quarterback, but even in his Pro Bowl making heyday he was an average QB who benefitted from playing with the best receiving tandem in the league. Now that he doesn't have anything around him to keep him upright or catch his passes when he can get them off, he looks horrid and his contract is the last remaining albatross between the Rams not having any highly paid players. If he does retire, then that gives the Rams the leverage to go after a quarterback in free agency or high in the draft without worrying about what to do with Bulger. And all of this makes me a happy person.
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Post by BRV on Jan 9, 2010 13:38:08 GMT -5
Mainly because I stopped caring about the Rams weeks ago until the NFL draft, I missed this tidbit: Marc Bulger is considering retiring, sources tell the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. Where the snork is the Tenay-West high five gif. when I want it? I'm not saying Marc Bulger is/was a horrid quarterback, but even in his Pro Bowl making heyday he was an average QB who benefitted from playing with the best receiving tandem in the league. Now that he doesn't have anything around him to keep him upright or catch his passes when he can get them off, he looks horrid and his contract is the last remaining albatross between the Rams not having any highly paid players. If he does retire, then that gives the Rams the leverage to go after a quarterback in free agency or high in the draft without worrying about what to do with Bulger. And all of this makes me a happy person. Marc Bulger is only behind Willie Parker for the award of "Going from up-and-coming to washed-up in the quickest amount of time".
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Post by Drink Up Me Cider on Jan 9, 2010 14:57:36 GMT -5
Here's a video for Jaime because Faith and her tights won't be on tv for awhile. ;D
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Post by Insomniac on Jan 9, 2010 15:01:57 GMT -5
Hopefully after tonight, the Cowboys can finally wish the monkey that's on their back the best in all its future endeavors.
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Post by Drink Up Me Cider on Jan 9, 2010 15:05:53 GMT -5
Hopefully after tonight, the Cowboys can finally wish the monkey that's on their back the best in all its future endeavors. I think they will as well. The Boy's are a better team than the Eagles in my opinion. I can't really see the Boy's not scoring at least 21 and are the Eagles going to be able to keep up with Donovan and Jackson (God Bless em ), no they're not. As long as they keep Mcclain and ever green West Brook under wraps the Cowboys will win, no problems.
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Post by Insomniac on Jan 9, 2010 15:09:52 GMT -5
Jackson scares the hell out of me. If McNabb doesn't overthrow him early in the game last week, it's a completely different story I think. That was Philly's worst game and I fully expect them to make the necessary adjustments to keep it from being a repeat.
They just seemed like, as a team, they made a bunch of stupid mistakes that are unlikely to happen again. At the very least it'll be a close game.
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