ANTLOL
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Post by ANTLOL on Nov 24, 2009 5:43:07 GMT -5
If this means that all the gimmicks and storylines are cancelled, TNA will fold. Desmond Wolfe alone is better than anything Hogan was involved in since 1998. I really hope Hogan is not such a wanker (anymore).
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The OP
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Post by The OP on Nov 24, 2009 7:50:44 GMT -5
Here's what he said.. Question: Hulk, if there was one thing you could change about the wrestling industry at this point in time what would it be? How will Hulk Hogan revolutionize the wrestling industry yet again? Hulk Hogan: Well, the one thing I would change and I'm going to change is..I hate the writers. I cannot stand that they have a writing team sitting in the back telling the wrestlers what to say and telling the wrestlers what to do in the ring. That's one of the reasons why I went to TNA because the other promotion that's what they're all about - scripting the verbiage and scripting the matches and telling the wrestlers what to do. "And you know, Brother, the first thing I'm gonna do as student counsel president is double the length of recess! Whatcha gonna do when I get everyone a coupon for free ice cream in the cafeteria on Fridays? Yeah, yeah, and I'll ban homework and make pillow fights count towards extra credit!" My point being, it sounds good on paper, but a show without the writers could end up being a clusterf*** of epic proportions. Who goes over? Who gets more mic time? Who gets to feud with who? I don't imagine some guys would say "Oh, give my push to Devon. I'll wait my turn". Not particularly likely. Also, what do you when the wrestlers are forced to write their own stuff? Do they get paid more? Or are they asked to do twice as much work without any extra pay? Hell, after thinking this out, it doesn't even look like a good idea on paper, either. *facepalm* He's talking about having a booker instead of writers, like every wrestling promotion used to do until recent post-Attitude Era years. Who goes over, gets mic time, etc? The booker decides those things. The show just wouldn't be as tightly scripted by writers with wrestlers trying to recite lines word for word. It's something Jim Cornette, Lance Storm, and many others have also suggested. Whether you agree or not it's a perfectly valid opinion and is the way things always used to be done. It's not some crazy untested theory, it's a more traditional approach. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 24, 2009 7:54:00 GMT -5
"And you know, Brother, the first thing I'm gonna do as student counsel president is double the length of recess! Whatcha gonna do when I get everyone a coupon for free ice cream in the cafeteria on Fridays? Yeah, yeah, and I'll ban homework and make pillow fights count towards extra credit!" My point being, it sounds good on paper, but a show without the writers could end up being a clusterf*** of epic proportions. Who goes over? Who gets more mic time? Who gets to feud with who? I don't imagine some guys would say "Oh, give my push to Devon. I'll wait my turn". Not particularly likely. Also, what do you when the wrestlers are forced to write their own stuff? Do they get paid more? Or are they asked to do twice as much work without any extra pay? Hell, after thinking this out, it doesn't even look like a good idea on paper, either. *facepalm* He's talking about having a booker instead of writers, like every wrestling promotion used to do until recent post-Attitude Era years. It's something Jim Cornette, Lance Storm, and many others have also suggested. Whether you agree or not it's a perfectly valid opinion. You say the "facepalm" like I don't realize that. Of course there'd be a booker, but what I'm trying to say is I don't think that's feasible in modern wrestling. It worked well enough in the older days when a roster had like 20-30 regulars, and brought in jobbers, but with a roster of 50+ of regulars, that's a LOT of people to fit into the picture. I think it's too much for one man, and it'd lead to inmates running the asylum, so to speak. |
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Post by dh03grad on Nov 24, 2009 12:45:19 GMT -5
If Hogan wasnt coming to run TNA, dont you think it would have been shot down by Dixie or someone by now?
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 24, 2009 14:45:03 GMT -5
Well Hulk wants to do a more UWF, NWA, World Class, and old school WWF show. ...so it will be goofy sports-entertainment style wrestling done by hosses with cocaine addictions with 6 powerslams a minute and clean finishes every 49th match? Awesome! Apparently you have never watched pro wrestling? Old school wrestling was all hosses doing powerslams and no clean finishes? WTF? |
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Dave at the Movies
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
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Post by Dave at the Movies on Nov 24, 2009 15:07:18 GMT -5
I'm still not convinced that he isn't trying to work everyone with this. There is no way they are bringing him in as a partner.
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Post by marqui78 on Nov 24, 2009 15:07:30 GMT -5
...so it will be goofy sports-entertainment style wrestling done by hosses with cocaine addictions with 6 powerslams a minute and clean finishes every 49th match? Awesome! Apparently you have never watched pro wrestling? Old school wrestling was all hosses doing powerslams and no clean finishes? WTF? Sometimes its best not respond. When see things like that just look over it. Wrestlers work better when their ideas are used. Writers job is to come up with storylines. Sad thing wrestling has turned into one the joke. I believe guys need to speak from the heart. Fans are sick and tired of stale scripted promos. I hope Flair and Hogan can help guys on the basics. Hogan and Bischoff can also help TNA get larger fanbase. I bet alot of fans have no idea they exist or when they have shows. Good booking means nothing if fans don't know you're out there. |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 24, 2009 15:25:49 GMT -5
Apparently you have never watched pro wrestling? Old school wrestling was all hosses doing powerslams and no clean finishes? WTF? Sometimes its best not respond. When see things like that just look over it. Wrestlers work better when their ideas are used. Writers job is to come up with storylines. Sad thing wrestling has turned into one the joke. I believe guys need to speak from the heart. Fans are sick and tired of stale scripted promos. I hope Flair and Hogan can help guys on the basics. Hogan and Bischoff can also help TNA get larger fanbase. I bet alot of fans have no idea they exist or when they have shows. Good booking means nothing if fans don't know you're out there. Usually I ignore most of the stuff people say, that was just so out of left field to me I had to make a comment. Anyway, I think Russo has been doing a good job writing for awhile now, but if Hogan really wants to sack the writers and has the power to do so, I wouldn't shed a tear either. I have been saying for awhile now that I would like TNA to adopt a more old school mentality. Less backstage scripted segments, less scripted promos. Those things have their place but I think at this stage in pro wrestling it would benefit from less of that stuff, bring it out every once in awhile to develop interest but not every single week for every single angle. Thats what I really dislike about WWE the past few years so I agree with Hogan on this. The writers dont trust the wrestlers to go out there and do what they do best. If that can work in the indies and all the old school promotions I dont see why it cant still work on a national stage. I dont watch wrestling for the same reason I watch dramas or sitcoms so the more it distances itself from those types of the shows, the better IMO. Hogans comments about TNAs promotion is spot on as well. Most wrestling fans still dont know TNA exists or only have a vague idea that its around. If there is one thing Hogan knows about, its how to promote. TNA needs to promote itself, it also needs to provide a clear alternative to WWE. That is how it is going to garner viewers and draw fans who dont watch wrestling anymore back into the fold. |
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Post by Chainsaw on Nov 24, 2009 16:22:09 GMT -5
All of a sudden, all of that stuff Russo said in the Wrestlecrap interview about wrestlers trying to write TV suddenly comes flooding back.
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AriadosMan
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Post by AriadosMan on Nov 24, 2009 16:40:24 GMT -5
All of a sudden, all of that stuff Russo said in the Wrestlecrap interview about wrestlers trying to write TV suddenly comes flooding back. Its important to note that plenty of the unscripted interviews aren't that good and Sullivan's runs as booker were an even bigger epic fail for WCW than Russocrap was. |
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Post by marqui78 on Nov 24, 2009 19:35:12 GMT -5
I believe people forget WCW was trying to push young guys that sucked. Chuck, Mark, O'Haire, Wright, Wall, and Mike whats his name. Those guys didn't have a chance. Also they had Lance Storm, Elix Skipper, and Mike Awesome as main eventers. That crap was sad and pointless. Where WWE had Rock, Austin, and DX no contest what so ever.
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AriadosMan
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Post by AriadosMan on Nov 24, 2009 19:41:42 GMT -5
I believe people forget WCW was trying to push young guys that sucked. Chuck, Mark, O'Haire, Wright, Wall, and Mike whats his name. Those guys didn't have a chance. Also they had Lance Storm, Elix Skipper, and Mike Awesome as main eventers. That crap was sad and pointless. Where WWE had Rock, Austin, and DX no contest what so ever. Awesome, Skipper, and Storm were nowhere near ME. The last main eventer I remember before I stopped watching was Jeff Jarrett, and all the rest (Sid, Steiner, Booker) didn't have the firepower to stop WWF at the time. That's because alot of the old guys literally sat out their contracts when they learned WCW was going to be sold. Goldberg no-showed the final Nitro, despite being built up as the guy WCW was supposed to be built around! |
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Post by marqui78 on Nov 24, 2009 20:57:28 GMT -5
I believe people forget WCW was trying to push young guys that sucked. Chuck, Mark, O'Haire, Wright, Wall, and Mike whats his name. Those guys didn't have a chance. Also they had Lance Storm, Elix Skipper, and Mike Awesome as main eventers. That crap was sad and pointless. Where WWE had Rock, Austin, and DX no contest what so ever. Awesome, Skipper, and Storm were nowhere near ME. The last main eventer I remember before I stopped watching was Jeff Jarrett, and all the rest (Sid, Steiner, Booker) didn't have the firepower to stop WWF at the time. That's because alot of the old guys literally sat out their contracts when they learned WCW was going to be sold. Goldberg no-showed the final Nitro, despite being built up as the guy WCW was supposed to be built around! I have it tape where they was in a main event on Nitro once. I rather see clean cut picture on who's a heel/face. TNA have far too many tweeners. I'm enjoying the direction I just some changes would help big time. I want TNA to suceed but I want good solid wrestling. Less Borash, and Lauren more character development in ring. Let the wrestlers have say in their own future. Writers treat wrestlers like morons at times. The wrestling business needs to take a different direction. |
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Post by Ralnathane on Nov 25, 2009 17:24:02 GMT -5
Hogan and company could also go a route that we all would mark for... Heyman.
If anyone could convince Heyman to come back to the biz, it would be Hogan saying "Hey, you would have control here... and we could hose Vince."
Think about it.
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The OP
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Post by The OP on Nov 25, 2009 18:23:01 GMT -5
*facepalm* He's talking about having a booker instead of writers, like every wrestling promotion used to do until recent post-Attitude Era years. It's something Jim Cornette, Lance Storm, and many others have also suggested. Whether you agree or not it's a perfectly valid opinion. You say the "facepalm" like I don't realize that. Of course there'd be a booker, but what I'm trying to say is I don't think that's feasible in modern wrestling. It worked well enough in the older days when a roster had like 20-30 regulars, and brought in jobbers, but with a roster of 50+ of regulars, that's a LOT of people to fit into the picture. I think it's too much for one man, and it'd lead to inmates running the asylum, so to speak. Fair enough, but I don't think it neccessarily means there would only be one person calling the shots. Unless I'm misunderstanding what he means, I think he's mostly referring to writers coming up with dialogue for the wrestlers and stuff like that. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 25, 2009 18:27:43 GMT -5
You say the "facepalm" like I don't realize that. Of course there'd be a booker, but what I'm trying to say is I don't think that's feasible in modern wrestling. It worked well enough in the older days when a roster had like 20-30 regulars, and brought in jobbers, but with a roster of 50+ of regulars, that's a LOT of people to fit into the picture. I think it's too much for one man, and it'd lead to inmates running the asylum, so to speak. Fair enough, but I don't think it neccessarily means there would only be one person calling the shots. Unless I'm misunderstanding what he means, I think he's mostly referring to writers coming up with dialogue for the wrestlers and stuff like that. Point taken, and if that's all he means, I think wrestlers should have some leeway, but a lot of them really have no business coming up with what to say, probably. See, Ken Patera's promos, if you want to see how terrible some wrestlers are at it. ;D |
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Post by marqui78 on Nov 25, 2009 19:03:14 GMT -5
No it will be a booking team not writers but retired wrestlers. Guys who help groom the guys like Jimmy Hart, Raven, Flair, Sullivan, all the agents will stay the same. I believe this will improve the product and help the young wrestlers in TNA.
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Post by wwefan78 on Nov 25, 2009 19:09:32 GMT -5
I gotta agree with Hogan on "If these wrestlers can't talk and these wrestlers can't wrestle, they need to head for the door". I mean if a wrestler has no idea what his character should say or do and has to be told EVERYTHING it has to mean he's not 100% dedicated to his job. It's not enough just knowing how to wrestle unless your character is a mute or a man of few words. In company with a national TV-deal and PPV, every single wrestler should be coming up with ideas for their character and suggesting who'd they want to work with. In an enviroment where this was not only allowed but also encouraged I can only see positives. The booker's role is to weed out the crap from the doable stuff which will go over well on tv. The booker can also tell talent bullet points on what he wants them to convey in their promos. Then it's up to each one to decide how to go about it..You know that old line WWE Creative uses "We have nothing for you" followed by a future endevour? If I had my say wrestling companies would have nothing for THEM. Let wrestlers be an extension of themselfs and let bookers decide how much of that character will be shown on tv. It has worked before and it can work again. Of course you still need roadagents and producers to lay out matches with talent, but writers? Stick with your soap-operas and sitcoms
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Post by donners on Nov 25, 2009 19:15:53 GMT -5
That quoted line from Hogan is almost exactly what Cornette said when he joined TNA.
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Celgress
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Post by Celgress on Nov 25, 2009 19:33:00 GMT -5
Let us hope it doesn't end the same way. *sigh*
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