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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2009 8:55:21 GMT -5
The AWA (and later WCW) planned big things for "The Cat" Curtis Hughes. (His nickname was based on the fact he was a football player at Kansas State, who are the Wildcats.) But, really and honestly, does anybody remember him aside from his being a lower-card guy (early 90s) and Triple H's butler in the WWF? I say he doesn't fit in with the rest of the group. Don't forget a couple weeks as Y2J's bodyguard in late '99 I forgot about that. But where would that fit on the entire scheme of his career? A step up? From what? |
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Post by Gummydavidson on Sept 10, 2009 17:53:32 GMT -5
4 pages and the British Bulldog wasn't mentioned  |
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Post by Youngie on Sept 11, 2009 15:10:21 GMT -5
Scott Hall
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Post by batwoman on Sept 11, 2009 16:26:10 GMT -5
 Wendi Richter went from one of the most popular wrestlers of the 1980's to losing the women's championship in a screwjob to that old hag Fabolous Moolah. Afterwards Wendi went to the AWA and won the championship from Madusa but her popularity wasn't the same.  Madusa went from AWA women's champion to becoming the WWF women's champion to dropping the title in a trash can on Nitro to having breast implants to losing a retirement match to Akira Hokuto to joining Randy Savage's group "Team Madness", to driving monster trucks. |
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Post by Chinny Reckon on Sept 11, 2009 19:33:06 GMT -5
This guy.  Oh, whoops, I mean girl. Yea... You still would, though. You still would...  Anyway, I agree, career-wise. Crazy to think that the whole journey, from scary-as-hell DX sidekick to first girl in the Rumble to first girl with the IC belt (including IMO a great feud/team with Jericho) to comedy valet to Eddie to embarrassing (for both sides) feud with JJ to reality TV and mess of a life happened within five years, with most of the actual wrestling within 2. |
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Post by Hypnotix on Sept 11, 2009 21:00:56 GMT -5
The AWA (and later WCW) planned big things for "The Cat" Curtis Hughes. (His nickname was based on the fact he was a football player at Kansas State, who are the Wildcats.) But, really and honestly, does anybody remember him aside from his being a lower-card guy (early 90s) and Triple H's butler in the WWF? I say he doesn't fit in with the rest of the group. Don't forget a couple weeks as Y2J's bodyguard in late '99 I think you've mistaken him for the legendary Gotch Gracie. Don't you remember his epic fueds with "fwuvvalalla?" |
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Post by JerryvonKramer on Nov 16, 2009 9:08:37 GMT -5
How about Vader for this? World title level monster heel to midcarder after less than a year with WWF in 1996. Also, how about...  Legendary NWA champ in 1983 to jobbing out to Haku at Rumble 89. |
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Post by dlg3000 on Nov 16, 2009 11:38:05 GMT -5
I agree with the poster who said Chris Benoit, but Jake the Snake Roberts, Chyna, and Scott Hall all had declines. BTW, who is the lady on the cover?
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Post by Ralnathane on Nov 16, 2009 13:18:54 GMT -5
Eh... I think that I would agree with Harley Race... but to me the biggest decline was Jake Roberts.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Nov 17, 2009 3:50:21 GMT -5
I don't really see it as a major decline for Harley. After the injury in the match with Hogan, Race didn't wrestle all that much and knew his career was winding down. He and Haku are fairly close from what I can tell, and Harley had the opportunity to put over his friend (in his new gimmick) before leaving and he did it.
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Post by Rorschach on Nov 17, 2009 4:31:25 GMT -5
I think, in ring wise, I'd have to second Andre. As was mentioned, his latter years were just so sad to watch. The stuff with the cane, and him barely being able to move while the Bushwhackers licked him and put a silly hat on him....heartbreaking.
Though I did get a chuckle out of the part in Bret Hart's book where he talks about Andre stepping on Warrior in a match, just to let Warrior know who was REALLY in control of that matchup.
As far as total life collapses go, though....you can't come close to Benoit.
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Post by quantum on Nov 17, 2009 5:30:13 GMT -5
I think, in ring wise, I'd have to second Andre. As was mentioned, his latter years were just so sad to watch. The stuff with the cane, and him barely being able to move while the Bushwhackers licked him and put a silly hat on him....heartbreaking. Though I did get a chuckle out of the part in Bret Hart's book where he talks about Andre stepping on Warrior in a match, just to let Warrior know who was REALLY in control of that matchup. He also let Warrior run into him once and bounce off instead of getting tangled in the ropes as was the planned spot as Warrior was getting rougher with that spot as there matches on the house circuit progressed. Again just to show Warrior 'who's boss' To all of us Andre will always be the best World World Tag Team champion that ever lived. We will never forget that time he won an imaginary belt from Hogan and gave a heart felt speech about him and surrendering his imagenery belt to his imaginary tag team partner. ;D |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 17, 2009 5:38:06 GMT -5
Speaking strictly career wise, when I think decline, I think Jake Roberts.
Hall is another obvious choice, but he had a very successful career, really. Especially in comparison to Jake.
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Post by Rorschach on Nov 17, 2009 6:01:05 GMT -5
I think, in ring wise, I'd have to second Andre. As was mentioned, his latter years were just so sad to watch. The stuff with the cane, and him barely being able to move while the Bushwhackers licked him and put a silly hat on him....heartbreaking. Though I did get a chuckle out of the part in Bret Hart's book where he talks about Andre stepping on Warrior in a match, just to let Warrior know who was REALLY in control of that matchup. He also let Warrior run into him once and bounce off instead of getting tangled in the ropes as was the planned spot as Warrior was getting rougher with that spot as there matches on the house circuit progressed. Again just to show Warrior 'who's boss' To all of us Andre will always be the best World World Tag Team champion that ever lived. We will never forget that time he won an imaginary belt from Hogan and gave a heart felt speech about him and surrendering his imagenery belt to his imaginary tag team partner. ;D ;D Again, as far as total career decline, I think Andre fell from a greater distance. He went from being legitimately the feature attraction whereever in the WORLD he went and the most famous wrestler in the world, to being cannon fodder for steroid-fueled musclemen like Hogan and the Warrior to beat on. If there is a greater height to fall from that that from which the Giant fell, I have yet to see it. |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 17, 2009 7:15:21 GMT -5
He also let Warrior run into him once and bounce off instead of getting tangled in the ropes as was the planned spot as Warrior was getting rougher with that spot as there matches on the house circuit progressed. Again just to show Warrior 'who's boss' To all of us Andre will always be the best World World Tag Team champion that ever lived. We will never forget that time he won an imaginary belt from Hogan and gave a heart felt speech about him and surrendering his imagenery belt to his imaginary tag team partner. ;D ;D Again, as far as total career decline, I think Andre fell from a greater distance. He went from being legitimately the feature attraction whereever in the WORLD he went and the most famous wrestler in the world, to being cannon fodder for steroid-fueled musclemen like Hogan and the Warrior to beat on. If there is a greater height to fall from that that from which the Giant fell, I have yet to see it. Andre was just passing the torch though. His career was coming to an end...its like saying Ric Flair went from being the featured attraction of the NWA, leader of the greatest stable in wrestling history to being a whipping boy for the nWo, then a most of the time jobber in WWE...making him a story of tragic decline. Thats just the way things go. People get older, younger guys become the focus and the old timers put them over and retire. I am assuming this topic is supposed to be more about guys who were very successful but fizzled out quickly and suddenly, driving them to become shadows of their former selves ala Roberts and Hall. If its just about guys who were huge draws and champions who went on to get overtaken by younger stars they had to put over we would be talking about almost every successful wrestler in history who didn't retire while they were on top. That would be a long list. |
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Post by markdown474 on Nov 17, 2009 8:22:10 GMT -5
For me its gotta be Bret Hart went from champ on WF and the most famous night in wrestling history to te WCW and pretty much nothing before having his career stop literally from a Goldberg Kick. Have to disagree big time with this one. Although his WCW run absolutely sucked, on paper there was nothing wrong with it. He made an insane amount of money over a 2-3 year period, held the US title 4 times, the Tag title 1 time, and the World Heavyweight title 2 times. In fact, he was World Champion at the time of his injury and retired without ever having lost the belt. Can't really say he declined because he was still a top tier (albeit mishandled) player right up until the end. |
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Post by qpiett on Nov 17, 2009 11:33:03 GMT -5
How about Vader for this? World title level monster heel to midcarder after less than a year with WWF in 1996. Also, how about... Legendary NWA champ in 1983 to jobbing out to Haku at Rumble 89. Agreed on Vader - the face turn killed him (although one could argue HBK not wanting him to get the win at SSlam '96 was the real begin of his downfall). He disappeared for a few months to sell an injury at the hands of Kane, thus missing WM14, and when he returned in mid-98 he was jobbing to guys like Bradshaw (in his pre-Acolytes singles run) and Edge (who'd just debuted) before he left during the fall. Disagree on Race. His whole run in the WWF was pretty much the winding down of his in-ring career. McMahon wanted to give him employment out of admiration, and Race took the opportunity to make a lot of money and calmly wind down his career. Getting injured in that match with Hogan in mid-late 1987 (got put thru a table, and that did it) kinda ruined the grace of his career's end, and the one last job to Haku was to put a cap on his time with the WWF and put the new king over... |
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Post by Snake "The Jake" Roberts on Nov 17, 2009 17:24:16 GMT -5
This guy. Oh, whoops, I mean girl. Yea... HAHa, we have a winner! |
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Post by Snake "The Jake" Roberts on Nov 17, 2009 17:30:05 GMT -5
No way you can compare people like Race and Andre, who were both aging and whose skills had diminished considerably, to someone who retained some youth and skill, not too popularity, like a scott hall, chyna, tommy rich.
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Post by Snake "The Jake" Roberts on Nov 17, 2009 17:32:22 GMT -5
How about Vader for this? World title level monster heel to midcarder after less than a year with WWF in 1996. Also, how about... Legendary NWA champ in 1983 to jobbing out to Haku at Rumble 89. Agreed on Vader - the face turn killed him (although one could argue HBK not wanting him to get the win at SSlam '96 was the real begin of his downfall). He disappeared for a few months to sell an injury at the hands of Kane, thus missing WM14, and when he returned in mid-98 he was jobbing to guys like Bradshaw (in his pre-Acolytes singles run) and Edge (who'd just debuted) before he left during the fall. Disagree on Race. His whole run in the WWF was pretty much the winding down of his in-ring career. McMahon wanted to give him employment out of admiration, and Race took the opportunity to make a lot of money and calmly wind down his career. Getting injured in that match with Hogan in mid-late 1987 (got put thru a table, and that did it) kinda ruined the grace of his career's end, and the one last job to Haku was to put a cap on his time with the WWF and put the new king over... exactly. At some point it's time to let the younger guys take over and that's what HArley did. That's no decline. |
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