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Post by The Ichi on Feb 11, 2010 17:53:25 GMT -5
Everyone speculates about new villians, but what about new squeezes for Batman now that Rachel's dead? I wouldn't mind seeing Vicky Vale.
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Post by toddpolt on Feb 11, 2010 20:09:37 GMT -5
I never liked Vicky Vale. In the old comics, she was a poor Lois Lane clone. Back in that period when DC Comics did their best to xerox everything Superman into Batman.
I know it's been done and not original, but Catwoman isn't a bad idea at all. I mean you have the hero on the rebound after his romance interest became dead as fried chicken, and you know, a criminal/anti-heroine...
Then again Joke was done before and look what happened.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Feb 11, 2010 20:16:47 GMT -5
It'd be interesting to see a Nolan take on Catwoman.
Still wanting Black Mask though.
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Post by erisi236 on Feb 11, 2010 20:54:51 GMT -5
Since the Dark Knight used so much of The Long Halloween they might as well continue to mine that and use guys like Calender Man, Holiday and Dents batty wife.
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Post by mysterydriver on Feb 11, 2010 21:20:37 GMT -5
I just wish they'd use some of the lesser-known villains. I'd give anything for Riddler to hire "The Tally Man" as his enforcer. A small part character (Who first showed up during the Azrael as Batman time) who isn't as much "an assassin" as he is a "debt collector" who collects lives instead of cash. Zzazz? I know they're two separate characters, but they sound an awful lot alike. Zzazz collects lives, as well. He gives himself a mark for each one, a concept I find just...scary as hell. In fact, I'd love it if this third film opened with Batman saving a hostage from the newly escaped from Arkham Zzazz; the catch being that Bats is still a wanted man, and has to run as soon as he does this, or perhaps dodge the cops AS he's doing it. Zzazz would be interesting, too. I know they had a cameo with him in the first one, so I agree that opening the third with him would work (and be cool in my mind) especially since more people will be aware of Zzazz thanks to "Arkham Asylum." Warning: I'm about to babble...Tally Man's backstory is that his family was poor, living in a condemned house. His father got a tip on a "sure" bet...and it lost, leaving him dealing with the local debt collectors (The kind with baseball bats...). His dad got beat to death in front of him and they passed the debt on to his mother who would cry whenever they appeared and say "Everyone has to pay the Tally Man." They hinted that the woman had to do "things" to raise the cash for her weekly payment. However, one week, Tally Man's sister was sick so the mother used the money to buy her a stuffed bear to cheer her up. The collector didn't appreciate this and smacked her across the face, hinting he was about to do much worse. So, the 13 year old Tally Man grabbed the fire poker they used to stir the papers they burned in a metal trash can and stabbed the man to death. He went to juvie where he was mocked for being a "momma's boy" and beat by other kids. Only visited once by family and promised to take care of them when he got released. When that finally occurred, he ran the entire way back 'home' (That was set to be torn down by Wayne Enterprises) to discover that his sister had starved to death...and his mother hung herself. Distraught, he disappeared. And that's where the blank in the story is...until he reappeared as the Tally Man (dressed like an old-time tax collector). Great with a gun and merciless to those on his list of "collections." In his debut, he guns down a local mobster and then assures the rest of the crew that they were a package deal before taking them all out with ease. Maybe it's because I don't read many comics and one of the few ones I actually purchased was his debut, but I really liked the character and wondered why he wasn't used more. I'm working off memory with the backstory, so I may have added a thing or two. They included him in the "No Man's Land" story arc (working for Two-Face), but he disappears mid-story and the novelization kills him off due to a unfortunate coin flip. Darn it, I just want to hear it on the big screen: "Everyone has to pay the Tally Man."
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Post by TheDieselTrain on Feb 11, 2010 21:26:12 GMT -5
Darn it, I just want to hear it on the big screen: "Everyone has to pay the Tally Man." I can see the headlines spinning the crap out of that one now...... New Batman linked to Al Queda? Pay the Taliban??? Someone would complain about it.
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Post by Drink Up Me Cider on Feb 11, 2010 21:45:37 GMT -5
Since the Dark Knight used so much of The Long Halloween they might as well continue to mine that and use guys like Calender Man, Holiday and Dents batty wife. As long as Sofia Gigante can be the Hangman in the next film, I'm all for it. ;D
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Post by mysterydriver on Feb 11, 2010 22:24:19 GMT -5
Darn it, I just want to hear it on the big screen: "Everyone has to pay the Tally Man." I can see the headlines spinning the crap out of that one now...... New Batman linked to Al Queda? Pay the Taliban??? Someone would complain about it. See...I half expected "Hey, Mr. Tally Man! Tally me banana!"
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Post by Sickfit, King Of The Fits on Feb 12, 2010 0:16:08 GMT -5
I honestly have no idea how they are going to pull it off. The Batman universe is just so...over-the-top at times that it just cannot fit the realistic style of Nolan's universe. Sure, you could do the Hush/Riddler storyline from "Hush", but Hush isn't exactly a bankable villain and the Riddler is a supporting character at best.
You could continue with The Long Halloween and the Holiday murders, but what good does that plot do for Batman? The overarching theme carried from The Dark Knight was that sometimes, you need to make sacrifices as a hero and that sometimes, the people won't understand what you're doing. We must also see Bruce Wayne's inner guilt of having led Harvey Dent and Rachel to their deaths, and he needs to finally read the note that Rachel gave him so that he realizes that he will never have a "real" life ever again and that he'll be stuck as the Batman til his death.
Having a love interest makes sense, but yet again, how much time must we give to show exposition to a new character? She can't be shallow, or else it doesn't work. Sure, she can be Catwoman, but she can't be a "bad guy" per se. She's somewhere in the middle. Plus, they need to give her a design that suits her sexiness but doesn't have her come across like Halle Berry in the god awful Catwoman movie. Michelle Pfeiffer brought the sexy, but she was too over-the-top. If we're gonna have a legit Catwoman, she needs to be sexy, but flawed, graceful, yet nasty. There are few women in Hollywood who could do that...the only one who comes to mind is Evangeline Lilly, but I feel like that's not the best we could get. They'd have to take a risk like they did with Heath as Joker in order to get this one right.
Including Robin, Nightwing, any sidekick is an automatic no.
I just don't see this working out for Nolan, unless he pulls off some sort of miracle. Hey, with the right casting, "Hush" might work (except for all the Lazarus Pits, all the other supervillains showing up, Superman). This also needs to close the trilogy-when Bruce Wayne realizes he'll be Batman forever. So...good luck on this one, Chris. Don't feel bad if you fail on the third one, the best of them already have.
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Post by kickassJP on Feb 12, 2010 1:35:43 GMT -5
I honestly have no idea how they are going to pull it off. The Batman universe is just so...over-the-top at times that it just cannot fit the realistic style of Nolan's universe. Sure, you could do the Hush/Riddler storyline from "Hush", but Hush isn't exactly a bankable villain and the Riddler is a supporting character at best. You could continue with The Long Halloween and the Holiday murders, but what good does that plot do for Batman? The overarching theme carried from The Dark Knight was that sometimes, you need to make sacrifices as a hero and that sometimes, the people won't understand what you're doing. We must also see Bruce Wayne's inner guilt of having led Harvey Dent and Rachel to their deaths, and he needs to finally read the note that Rachel gave him so that he realizes that he will never have a "real" life ever again and that he'll be stuck as the Batman til his death. Having a love interest makes sense, but yet again, how much time must we give to show exposition to a new character? She can't be shallow, or else it doesn't work. Sure, she can be Catwoman, but she can't be a "bad guy" per se. She's somewhere in the middle. Plus, they need to give her a design that suits her sexiness but doesn't have her come across like Halle Berry in the god awful Catwoman movie. Michelle Pfeiffer brought the sexy, but she was too over-the-top. If we're gonna have a legit Catwoman, she needs to be sexy, but flawed, graceful, yet nasty. There are few women in Hollywood who could do that...the only one who comes to mind is Evangeline Lilly, but I feel like that's not the best we could get. They'd have to take a risk like they did with Heath as Joker in order to get this one right. Including Robin, Nightwing, any sidekick is an automatic no. I just don't see this working out for Nolan, unless he pulls off some sort of miracle. Hey, with the right casting, "Hush" might work (except for all the Lazarus Pits, all the other supervillains showing up, Superman). This also needs to close the trilogy-when Bruce Wayne realizes he'll be Batman forever. So...good luck on this one, Chris. Don't feel bad if you fail on the third one, the best of them already have. You make some good points here. But i'm going to have to disagree about Nolan failing on the third one. I mean to the hardcore fans who come with pitchforks in angry mob form, maybe... but I don't think there's anyway Nolan can mess the third one up. Even if he does somehow, there will be a fourth one, maybe a fifth one, and possibly a sixth. It's Batman, come on. These films make money. And so far for Nolan's Batman Series, the numbers have gone up. So there will always be Batman films coming out... and from the looks of it, Chris has a good head on his shoulders about all of this. Sure, there are a lot of things that could make the next one campy... but Chris will find a way to make it work. He made Ra's al Ghul work in this world, and he did it without the use of the Lazarus Pit. So when it comes to whoever he chooses for the villain(s), I believe that he'll make them work. Like I stated earlier, Two Face is still alive. It's clearly obvious. First off, Batman doesn't kill... and this is made into a focus point throughout the Dark Knight. In the interrogation room, Joker does all that he can to push Batman to the limit, but Batman won't do it. Yes, Harvey had a gun pointed and ready to go, and Batman took him out and they landed from a decently high level. But he wouldn't do it if the fall was too high. Mark my words, Two Face will be in the next film, and he will be the main villain. There's the memorial service for Harvey Dent... not Two Face. From what I can gather, I assume that Batman and Gordon are hiding Harvey away somewhere in Arkham so the world will never see him and see Harvey's demise. In the third film, Harvey will break out and he will rise up his mob and the rest will be history. It only makes sense because you can't have one of Batman's greatest villains in the movie for only a short time. Anyways, Catwoman and Robin are highly unlikely, and Penguin has a snowballs chance in hell at appearing. Maybe some of the other villains that the fanboys really want to see will make a short appearance when Batman is walking through the halls of Arkham to visit Two Face. How awesome would it be to have Batman walking in Arkham, and in the background you see a woman walk by, and her name tag says Quinn on it?
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Post by Big L on Feb 12, 2010 1:39:49 GMT -5
O hell yeah!!!
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Post by kickassJP on Feb 12, 2010 1:46:11 GMT -5
Oh and may I add as a plea..... don't let there be a Batgirl appearance
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Post by G✇JI☈A on Feb 12, 2010 1:50:29 GMT -5
Oh and may I add as a plea..... don't let there be a Batgirl appearance Don't worry. According to the last movie Barbara Gordon was still a young child.
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Post by toddpolt on Feb 12, 2010 1:56:30 GMT -5
You know I'm not going to hold Nolan to my nerd list of demands. Fans got Venom for Spider-Man 3. Yeah exactly.
I just want a good movie. Maybe it won't be as great as Batman Begins or The Dark Knight, but I'm sure at the least we'll get an interesting, compelling, diverse, and well-made classy production. Unlike Spider-Man 3. If it means Riddler and/or Penguin and/or Catwoman, ok whatever.
Nolan's proven he's one of the special filmmakers with his rather consistent filmography. He's the successor to Sir Ridley Scott as Britain's cinema champion.
(sorry Mr. Ritchie, but you learned what everyone was telling you at the time: She wasn't worth it.)
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Post by toddpolt on Feb 12, 2010 1:57:49 GMT -5
Don't worry. According to the last movie Barbara Gordon was still a young child. Like that ever stopped Batman before.
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Post by Free Hat on Feb 12, 2010 2:06:02 GMT -5
Oh and may I add as a plea..... don't let there be a Batgirl appearance Don't worry. According to the last movie Barbara Gordon was still a young child. Actually, that kid hasn't yet been named. So far the only 'Barbara' in these films is Gordon's wife. Besides, isn't Barbara supposed to be Gordon's niece in the comics?
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Post by Sickfit, King Of The Fits on Feb 12, 2010 2:40:51 GMT -5
I honestly have no idea how they are going to pull it off. The Batman universe is just so...over-the-top at times that it just cannot fit the realistic style of Nolan's universe. Sure, you could do the Hush/Riddler storyline from "Hush", but Hush isn't exactly a bankable villain and the Riddler is a supporting character at best. You could continue with The Long Halloween and the Holiday murders, but what good does that plot do for Batman? The overarching theme carried from The Dark Knight was that sometimes, you need to make sacrifices as a hero and that sometimes, the people won't understand what you're doing. We must also see Bruce Wayne's inner guilt of having led Harvey Dent and Rachel to their deaths, and he needs to finally read the note that Rachel gave him so that he realizes that he will never have a "real" life ever again and that he'll be stuck as the Batman til his death. Having a love interest makes sense, but yet again, how much time must we give to show exposition to a new character? She can't be shallow, or else it doesn't work. Sure, she can be Catwoman, but she can't be a "bad guy" per se. She's somewhere in the middle. Plus, they need to give her a design that suits her sexiness but doesn't have her come across like Halle Berry in the god awful Catwoman movie. Michelle Pfeiffer brought the sexy, but she was too over-the-top. If we're gonna have a legit Catwoman, she needs to be sexy, but flawed, graceful, yet nasty. There are few women in Hollywood who could do that...the only one who comes to mind is Evangeline Lilly, but I feel like that's not the best we could get. They'd have to take a risk like they did with Heath as Joker in order to get this one right. Including Robin, Nightwing, any sidekick is an automatic no. I just don't see this working out for Nolan, unless he pulls off some sort of miracle. Hey, with the right casting, "Hush" might work (except for all the Lazarus Pits, all the other supervillains showing up, Superman). This also needs to close the trilogy-when Bruce Wayne realizes he'll be Batman forever. So...good luck on this one, Chris. Don't feel bad if you fail on the third one, the best of them already have. Like I stated earlier, Two Face is still alive. It's clearly obvious. First off, Batman doesn't kill... and this is made into a focus point throughout the Dark Knight. In the interrogation room, Joker does all that he can to push Batman to the limit, but Batman won't do it. Yes, Harvey had a gun pointed and ready to go, and Batman took him out and they landed from a decently high level. But he wouldn't do it if the fall was too high. Mark my words, Two Face will be in the next film, and he will be the main villain. There's the memorial service for Harvey Dent... not Two Face. From what I can gather, I assume that Batman and Gordon are hiding Harvey away somewhere in Arkham so the world will never see him and see Harvey's demise. In the third film, Harvey will break out and he will rise up his mob and the rest will be history. It only makes sense because you can't have one of Batman's greatest villains in the movie for only a short time. www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00018074.htmlI mean, that's probably two years old, but I'm not sure if Nolan would bring back Two-Face. We basically saw the arc play out in a very short order form: Harvey becomes Two Face. Gets enticed by the Joker. Exacts revenge on crooked cops. Dies a tragic death. There's no more to be done with the character. Dent's not looking to hurt the masses, he only wanted to hunt down the people who kidnapped Rachel and him. Not to say that Dent won't show up in some form in the next movie-Wayne must still have some guilt over the deaths of Rachel and Dent...maybe he starts having Lost-like visions of the ones who have died while he has protected Gotham? The point is, we've seen Two-Face. There wouldn't be a shock factor that would be attributed to him. We need someone who can find a different side of Batman. Because that's what the villain is essentially doing in these films. They are psychologically breaking down his ego and the image he has projected for himself over the past some odd years of training. They make him question his (and our) ideals about morality and justice, and whether we can truly live in a just society. And that's what we get as an audience, instead of superpowers coming out of every superhero and villain's ass. That psychological battle of wits. That's where I think "Hush" would really make an impact. Hush doesn't want to hurt anybody else but Bruce Wayne, while the Riddler idles in the background orchestrating a grand scheme to rid Gotham of the Batman once and for all. It all fits under this "Batman is the enemy" arc, PLUS the storyline solely focuses on intertwining Batman and Bruce Wayne. And I don't see these films going into 4, 5 and 6's. Content-wise (unless Nolan plans on jumping the shark), there's not a lot that Nolan can do with this gritty, real-world Batman. And I'm sure Christian Bale is one of those actors who realizes when a franchise has run its course. I mean, sure, it creates a lot of pressure for Nolan to come up with a great ending, but if Spider Man can barely get a fourth movie going, do you really think Batman will?
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Post by kickassJP on Feb 12, 2010 2:51:33 GMT -5
Like I stated earlier, Two Face is still alive. It's clearly obvious. First off, Batman doesn't kill... and this is made into a focus point throughout the Dark Knight. In the interrogation room, Joker does all that he can to push Batman to the limit, but Batman won't do it. Yes, Harvey had a gun pointed and ready to go, and Batman took him out and they landed from a decently high level. But he wouldn't do it if the fall was too high. Mark my words, Two Face will be in the next film, and he will be the main villain. There's the memorial service for Harvey Dent... not Two Face. From what I can gather, I assume that Batman and Gordon are hiding Harvey away somewhere in Arkham so the world will never see him and see Harvey's demise. In the third film, Harvey will break out and he will rise up his mob and the rest will be history. It only makes sense because you can't have one of Batman's greatest villains in the movie for only a short time. www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00018074.htmlI mean, that's probably two years old, but I'm not sure if Nolan would bring back Two-Face. We basically saw the arc play out in a very short order form: Harvey becomes Two Face. Gets enticed by the Joker. Exacts revenge on crooked cops. Dies a tragic death. There's no more to be done with the character. Dent's not looking to hurt the masses, he only wanted to hunt down the people who kidnapped Rachel and him. Not to say that Dent won't show up in some form in the next movie-Wayne must still have some guilt over the deaths of Rachel and Dent...maybe he starts having Lost-like visions of the ones who have died while he has protected Gotham? The point is, we've seen Two-Face. There wouldn't be a shock factor that would be attributed to him. We need someone who can find a different side of Batman. Because that's what the villain is essentially doing in these films. They are psychologically breaking down his ego and the image he has projected for himself over the past some odd years of training. They make him question his (and our) ideals about morality and justice, and whether we can truly live in a just society. And that's what we get as an audience, instead of superpowers coming out of every superhero and villain's ass. That psychological battle of wits. That's where I think "Hush" would really make an impact. Hush doesn't want to hurt anybody else but Bruce Wayne, while the Riddler idles in the background orchestrating a grand scheme to rid Gotham of the Batman once and for all. It all fits under this "Batman is the enemy" arc, PLUS the storyline solely focuses on intertwining Batman and Bruce Wayne. And I don't see these films going into 4, 5 and 6's. Content-wise (unless Nolan plans on jumping the shark), there's not a lot that Nolan can do with this gritty, real-world Batman. And I'm sure Christian Bale is one of those actors who realizes when a franchise has run its course. I mean, sure, it creates a lot of pressure for Nolan to come up with a great ending, but if Spider Man can barely get a fourth movie going, do you really think Batman will? That actually sounds like an awesome idea lol and I like it better than my two face idea. But I still think that the films will go past three, Nolan or no Nolan.
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Post by -Lithium- on Feb 12, 2010 3:54:37 GMT -5
Like I stated earlier, Two Face is still alive. It's clearly obvious. First off, Batman doesn't kill... and this is made into a focus point throughout the Dark Knight. In the interrogation room, Joker does all that he can to push Batman to the limit, but Batman won't do it. Yes, Harvey had a gun pointed and ready to go, and Batman took him out and they landed from a decently high level. But he wouldn't do it if the fall was too high. I just dont see Batman sizing up the building, JUST in case he has to tackle Two Face off of it, before running in to stop Two Face from murdering Gordons family. I also don't really see someone like Christopher Nolan going back on what he wrote. Whether or not Heath Ledger died or not. Also, why the hell would this Batman need Robin? Hes got years and years of training, millions of dollars in technology, and usually atleast two contacts all times. Combine that logic with the common knowledge that people (probably even Nolan himself) really hate the Robin character, and I really dont think we'll ever see him. Atleast not in Christopher Nolans version of Batman. Oh and Edward Norton = The Riddler...
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Post by Kroot bringing Justice on Feb 12, 2010 4:51:13 GMT -5
Like I stated earlier, Two Face is still alive. It's clearly obvious. First off, Batman doesn't kill... and this is made into a focus point throughout the Dark Knight. In the interrogation room, Joker does all that he can to push Batman to the limit, but Batman won't do it. Yes, Harvey had a gun pointed and ready to go, and Batman took him out and they landed from a decently high level. But he wouldn't do it if the fall was too high. I just dont see Batman sizing up the building, JUST in case he has to tackle Two Face off of it, before running in to stop Two Face from murdering Gordons family. I also don't really see someone like Christopher Nolan going back on what he wrote. Whether or not Heath Ledger died or not. Also, why the hell would this Batman need Robin? Hes got years and years of training, millions of dollars in technology, and usually atleast two contacts all times. Combine that logic with the common knowledge that people (probably even Nolan himself) really hate the Robin character, and I really dont think we'll ever see him. Atleast not in Christopher Nolans version of Batman. Oh and Edward Norton = The Riddler... Where the hell do you guys get the idea people hate Robin?
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